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Cuz Dr.joeb has a pipeline to truth, the world of spirits. He gets advice directly from knowledgeable spirits. And passes it on to the masses of you know what like the Teacher and Godzilla.

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Dr.joeb could not help sharing one of his last facebooks entries.

 

Dr.joeb confesses that he is a cynic. A public that could vote for a Trump surely is not all there. Even Trump could not believe the outcome because he tried hard to lose by even insulting the handicapped. Whew! How can America survive with such stupidity rampant. As it turns out Dr.joeb never believed one thing that Trump claimed he would do because Dr.joeb knows that Trump has always been a real Democrat at heart. Essentially we had two Democrats running against each other in the last election. We the Democrats could not lose but who would guess that a strategy of trying to lose would actually win??? It says something about our system of electing a President. In case you have thought about it there is little likelihood that the Senate will approve Sara Palin for anything. But our elections have proven to be chock full of surprises.

 

Dr.joeb composed an interesting musical poem that he believes applies to that small percentage of yahoos who regularly do mouth farts in this topic. The title of this masterpiece is " Things I Don't Understand". It goes for 15 min and 46 seconds. It covers many things that Dr.joeb just does not understand. For example, Dr.joeb does not understand people who like to blow off firecrackers and cherry bombs, people who snap gum or just chew the damned stuff, cigarette smokers, tattoos, piercings of tissue, HUMV buyers, NASCAR followers, Trump voters, and much more. It has one of Dr.joeb's best music backgrounds using Jazz technique. He especially loves the one about folks who enjoy blowing off firecrackers because he wonders why such fools don't just repeatedly slam a door, if they enjoy loud bangs or buy a Chinese Gong and everytime they get an urge for a loud noise whack the gong. Dr.joeb also observed that fools who like loud noises could beat their chest while making megadecimal bongs and while doing a Tarzan scream.

 

Dr.joeb probably will at some point offer some of his masterpieces in his Ebay store DOULTONANDMORE. He knows that what he does is underground type art that is not likely to become commercial. But he doesn't do it for that reason. Dr.joeb loves music and poetry for itself not for any other reason. In fact, Dr.joeb does not ever want to be known as a musician or poet like Dylan. Dr.joeb is a very private person and sees no value in too much fame and notoriety. Dr.joeb never asks famous people for autographs. Some years ago he happened to sit right next to Gary Bussey in a Hard Rock Café in California. He didn't even acknowledge that he knew who it was sitting next to him. You see? We have no right to bother anyone because they are famous. Yet, people do it all the time. The Pavarazzi (spell?) do it for a living. God, what horrible people they be!!

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There is a proverb that goes: A wise man once said nothing.

 

Silence is golden. Less said the better. Quiet meditation focusing on absolutely nothing is the best way to get in contact with pure existence. The Zen masters refer to it as the Great Void. Nothing is something more than anything.

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Do you viewers understand that Trump is still behaving like a real Democrat. Taking apart NAFTA is a great idea. Hillary referred to that joke as a Republican program but later approved it after many changes to its original form. Bill should have vetoed it. Trump may have difficulty removing NAFTA because the GOP pushed it back in those Clinton days. Bill often compromised Democrat positions like NAFTA. So, let's hope Trump undoes some of the mistakes that were mainly GOP ways. Obamacare is principally a two party approved legislation. Real democrats like Sanders and Dr.joeb disliked Obamacare because it offered incomplete coverage of all of our citizens and it catered to making possibilities for screwing the public with outrageous pharmaceutical costs. If Trump removes Obamacare the big question is how will he replace it. Trump, being a true Democrat, knows that society has to have a comprehensive medical system that stops gouging by pharmaceutical companies. Dr.joeb hopes t hat Trump goes the distance by proposing a public option that does not preclude a private option. Canadians all have the right to private medicine but most don't use that right. Dr.joeb had an uncle who spent all of his pension money getting private care for his mother who lived to close to 100. But she died in a public facility in Windsor.

 

Do not be fooled by all of those flaming rightwingers that Trump is appointing. Most won't get approved. And even the ones that get approved are likely to be fired by Trump at some point. Trump cannot change his colors. He believes in liberal reform like most Democrats. Possibly, the reason he got so many votes was because working class Democrats are sick of negative liberalism like NAFTA. You readers should understand that because a position is liberal oriented does not make it a good one. There are many negative liberal positions just like negative conservative ones. Hopefully, Trump will try hard to detoxify negative liberal positions like NAFTA. Keep in mind that any time big government attempts to make laws, destroy existing laws, change policies, etc.... that by definition such actions are liberal. Conservative means hands-off while liberal positioning means hands-on. Trump is a hands-on liberal. Make no mistake about it. He undid the true GOP so-called conservatives over and over again during the nomination period. They understand that point and despite their warming up to Trump they really do not like the man or plan on supporting most of his objectives. Trump is likely to get as much Democrat support as GOP support. Dr.joeb says. Give him a chance to do good things. If he doesn't, impeach him.

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Do you viewers understand that Trump is still behaving like a real Democrat. Taking apart NAFTA is a great idea. Hillary referred to that joke as a Republican program but later approved it after many changes to its original form. Bill should have vetoed it. Trump may have difficulty removing NAFTA because the GOP pushed it back in those Clinton days. Bill often compromised Democrat positions like NAFTA. So, let's hope Trump undoes some of the mistakes that were mainly GOP ways. Obamacare is principally a two party approved legislation. Real democrats like Sanders and Dr.joeb disliked Obamacare because it offered incomplete coverage of all of our citizens and it catered to making possibilities for screwing the public with outrageous pharmaceutical costs. If Trump removes Obamacare the big question is how will he replace it. Trump, being a true Democrat, knows that society has to have a comprehensive medical system that stops gouging by pharmaceutical companies. Dr.joeb hopes t hat Trump goes the distance by proposing a public option that does not preclude a private option. Canadians all have the right to private medicine but most don't use that right. Dr.joeb had an uncle who spent all of his pension money getting private care for his mother who lived to close to 100. But she died in a public facility in Windsor.

 

Do not be fooled by all of those flaming rightwingers that Trump is appointing. Most won't get approved. And even the ones that get approved are likely to be fired by Trump at some point. Trump cannot change his colors. He believes in liberal reform like most Democrats. Possibly, the reason he got so many votes was because working class Democrats are sick of negative liberalism like NAFTA. You readers should understand that because a position is liberal oriented does not make it a good one. There are many negative liberal positions just like negative conservative ones. Hopefully, Trump will try hard to detoxify negative liberal positions like NAFTA. Keep in mind that any time big government attempts to make laws, destroy existing laws, change policies, etc.... that by definition such actions are liberal. Conservative means hands-off while liberal positioning means hands-on. Trump is a hands-on liberal. Make no mistake about it. He undid the true GOP so-called conservatives over and over again during the nomination period. They understand that point and despite their warming up to Trump they really do not like the man or plan on supporting most of his objectives. Trump is likely to get as much Democrat support as GOP support. Dr.joeb says. Give him a chance to do good things. If he doesn't, impeach him.

Everyone has to get a nod of approval after Jan 20 2017? That could take four years or more.

Leon Panetta for SecState

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Recently, Dr.joeb was listening to music from the 60s on Sirius and was surprised to hear four musical poems played. The disc jockey played "A boy named Sue" by Johny Cash, "Ringo" by Lorne Greene, and "Convoy" along with a Vietnam War one. Convoy is very funny and according to the disc jockey there were several different musical poems called "Convoy". "Ringo" is about a gunfighter who finally gets his by a better gunfighter.

 

Dr.joeb acquired a hobby of writing poems and composing music backgrounds to heighten the poetic experience in 2010 after completing his first volume of poetry titled "Poetry Lives Forever". Dr.joeb's compositions cover many areas of our culture since the WWII. And some are instrumental. His compositions include the political, social, religious, biographies of famous people, philosophical, psychology, and many areas of everyday living like how we eat, drive cars, and relate to each other. The compositions employ a diversity of styles to include classical, jazz, ragtime, boogie woogie, blues, rock n roll, and unique styles designed to fit the poetry. The musical poems from the 60s cited emphasize the poetry with very limited simple strumming of guitar and other simple repetitious background music. Dr.joeb tries to have a 50-50 balance between the poetry and much more complex music background. And he uses a Yamaha performance grade electronic piano that permits mixing sounds to get suitable fits to the poetry. A keyboard gives an advantage over a guitar for doing this type composition because you can use both hands covering all 88 keys in the typical full-scale piano.

 

Dr.joeb does these compositions for fun but offers them freely to friends and relatives on request at present. He has had several people wonder why he does not share his art with the general public. Frankly, Dr.joeb does not wish to make a profit out of this hobby but he does feel like it would be a nice gesture to make them available to the general public for a small unprofitable charge to cover discs, time and postage. So, in the near future he plans on making them available to the general public in his ebay store DOULTONANDMORE as downloads or CDs.

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The general public over estimates how much money one makes with music. Dr.joeb made his fortune with real estate where the real money is. Ask Trump if you do not believe it. Of course you can lose all of your marbles playing the real estate game like Trump did in the early 90s. Fortunately, Clinton was president and no doubt helped Trump escape his bankruptcies. But it was his father Fred Trump who saved his rump by infusing bundles of cash into his gambling casino exploits. Trump is not the genius that Giuliani claims he is. He seems to have stumbled into a presidency through no ingenious plan of his own. Hopefully, he will succeed. Dr.joeb does not believe Trump will succeed but he has a wait and see attitude. For example, how is Trump going to fix the Obamacare medical system? As of now it looks like he just plans on tweaking it leaving in the main part of it. Obamacare needs to be replaced totally by making Medicare available to ALL citizens of the USA via a public option. Everyone must surely understand this point. It is the way every major nation handles medical care. Some like France and Italy believe it is in their interest to even furnish dental care. Cuba is way ahead of us on their way of distributing medical care. And they are a poor nation. We can afford to take care of the medical demands of our society if we can support a military that absorbs about 50 percent or more of our national budget.

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Lib bank accounts filled with bribes, palms were greased,,, Libs are pissed !!!!

 

Hillary lost a rigged Election just for her !!!

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QUOTE(mykcob4 @ May 21 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A little late. I have posted many many times the version of what is Liberal and what is conservative, even to the point of how each ideology evolved!

 

If you need a guide to what is Liberal just read the Constitution of the United States of America, the Declaration of Independence, the 'Federalist Papers', and 'Common Sense' by Thomas Paine.

 

If you need a guide to real conservatism read 'Mein Kampf'!

 

Mein Kampf is a blue print for evil left wing control of government. Hitler used his power to outlaw other parties in Germany. He ended democracy using government control. Hitler's usage of government power amounted to nothing but EVIL LEFT WING fascism. His brand of evil left wing behavior was not far from the evil communism of the USSR. The major difference was Hitler worked closely with the big German Corporations. Stalin just subjugated all major industries in the USSR to his control. Hitler referred to his party as National Socialists. Socialists are not conservative right wingers. There was not one thing conservative right wing about Hitler. Conservatives do not tamper with human rights using government power. It was the conservatives in our nation who fought the hardest to stop censorship in many of its forms. Freedom of speech is one of the liberally endowed positions of our Constitution that good right wingers accept as the status quo untouchable. Right wingers from the ACLU especially fought hard to end censorship. Many think that the ACLU is a left wing liberal organization. They are completely in error.

 

"If you need a guide to what is Liberal just read the Constitution of the United States of America, the Declaration of Independence, the 'Federalist Papers', and 'Common Sense' by Thomas Paine."

"If you need a guide to real conservatism read 'Mein Kampf'!"

 

 

 

I see Dr. Koolaide finally got around to his thread thesis. Good morning Doc.

 

Assigning the Constitution, etc. to liberals and Mein Kampf to conservatives means you are the one who doesn't understand.

 

If you want to got back in history to support your definitions then so will I...

 

The democrats founded the KKK...the republicans invited black Americans into their party and politics...soon after the democrats started murdering black and white republicans.

 

I see you're a democrat Doc...so let's make sure we include that in your definitions.

 

Hitler used many of the same tactics that democrats still use today...I'm sure you know that but will never acknowledge it because your thread is really about praising liberals/progressives/democrats and tearing down conservatives/republicans.\

 

I'm probably right when I say you have likely stood against labeling people unless it floats your ideology.

 

If readers want to see the history of our two political parties review the positions the democrats and republicans took over the years.

 

Only a few decades ago republicans carried the civil rights of blacks and their Congressional votes show who the true civil rights people were.

 

You will also find that democrats leaned toward the blocking of these rights.

 

But the democrats learned who to shift because they knew they had reached a point where they needed the black vote to continue in power, so they suddenly, with a cynical approach, started to court black voters.

 

To this day, if a black chooses to be republican/conservative the left defines them as "Uncle Tom" for not adhering to the leftist manifesto.

 

Here's how LBJ approached the black vote...he smeared blacks behind closed doors and also wanted to secure the black vote for the next 200 years.

 

Democrats on the plantation back in the day...now a days the democrats use welfare to keep blacks on the democrat voting-plantation.

 

All you have to do is look at the lives of blacks in democrat strongholds and see how bad their lives are even though Trillion$ and over 50 years later black communities still suffer like all the killings in Chicago that democrats won't even take about.

 

There you have it Doc...so the next to you lecture people in this forum try to tell the whole story instead of short bites that praise democrats/liberals and smear republicans/conservatives.

 

 

Here's LBJ...

 

 

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"If you need a guide to what is Liberal just read the Constitution of the United States of America, the Declaration of Independence, the 'Federalist Papers', and 'Common Sense' by Thomas Paine."

"If you need a guide to real conservatism read 'Mein Kampf'!"

 

 

 

I see Dr. Koolaide finally got around to his thread thesis. Good morning Doc.

 

Assigning the Constitution, etc. to liberals and Mein Kampf to conservatives means you are the one who doesn't understand.

 

If you want to got back in history to support your definitions then so will I...

 

The democrats founded the KKK...the republicans invited black Americans into their party and politics...soon after the democrats started murdering black and white republicans.

 

I see you're a democrat Doc...so let's make sure we include that in your definitions.

 

Hitler used many of the same tactics that democrats still use today...I'm sure you know that but will never acknowledge it because your thread is really about praising liberals/progressives/democrats and tearing down conservatives/republicans.\

 

I'm probably right when I say you have likely stood against labeling people unless it floats your ideology.

 

If readers want to see the history of our two political parties review the positions the democrats and republicans took over the years.

 

Only a few decades ago republicans carried the civil rights of blacks and their Congressional votes show who the true civil rights people were.

 

You will also find that democrats leaned toward the blocking of these rights.

 

But the democrats learned who to shift because they knew they had reached a point where they needed the black vote to continue in power, so they suddenly, with a cynical approach, started to court black voters.

 

To this day, if a black chooses to be republican/conservative the left defines them as "Uncle Tom" for not adhering to the leftist manifesto.

 

Here's how LBJ approached the black vote...he smeared blacks behind closed doors and also wanted to secure the black vote for the next 200 years.

 

Democrats on the plantation back in the day...now a days the democrats use welfare to keep blacks on the democrat voting-plantation.

 

All you have to do is look at the lives of blacks in democrat strongholds and see how bad their lives are even though Trillion$ and over 50 years later black communities still suffer like all the killings in Chicago that democrats won't even take about.

 

There you have it Doc...so the next to you lecture people in this forum try to tell the whole story instead of short bites that praise democrats/liberals and smear republicans/conservatives.

 

 

Here's LBJ...

 

 

You say the Constitution defines liberals?

 

 

Here's what one of Joe Bob's fellow leftists said about our Constitution...

 

 

"Ruth Bader Ginsburg To Egypt: Don't Use US Constitution As A Model"

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Here is a poignant message that all should read. It is in the Facebook.

 

BEGIN MESSAGE: Here is a thought that all should ponder. Stalin was reputed to say....In a democracy it is not the vote that counts but who counts the vote. You see? Given Russia's history of hacking electronic software do you think it possible that the pivotal states might have been hacked to change the results? The Michigan paper recount was stopped by the federal government. SO, there is no hope of finding major discrepancies in Michigan, but the other two states are going on with the recount. Dr.joeb believes that there should be a law that all elections are done and counted by paper ballot and tallied the same way. It is simply too easy to cheat using nonvisible electronic means of tallying combined votes.

END MESSAGE

 

The evidence is mounting to open up the possibilities that Trump conspired with Russia to bias the election. Nixon got away with doing that regarding the Vietnam War. Johnson used his spy network to gain proof that Nixon had people dealing with the Viet Cong directly to change their mind about going along with Johnson's truce plan. As a result Nixon like Trump was not to be trusted and instead of going along with Johnson's plan he spun the war out for several years more allowing many thousands of our soldiers death in Vietnam unnecessarily. Hubert Humphrey refused to use Johnson's intelligence believing he could win the election without it. Humphrey like too many Democrats are naïve when dealing with the typical GOP candidate like Trump. Trump explains in his books that winning is all he cares about and he does not care about using unethical practices to accomplish that goal. Democrats have rarely, if ever, cooked up phoney investigations on GOP candidates. The GOP cooked up one phoney investigation after another attacking Hillary since the 1990s. Even Nixon's undoing was more an attack by the GOP so-called conservative Goldwater. Possibly, this Trump collusion with Russia will be the change of plan by the Democrats. Evidence is mounting. Colluding with another country to influence an election is HIGH TREASON. Trump may have already done it. Possibly, Mike Moore's prediction that the electoral college won't allow Trump to be president will come true. Time will tell. Originally the Electoral college was a real voting body of important politicians from each of the states and had little to do with vote count. Of course, that changed over time.

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Personreal needs to read message 12 of this topic to understand that there is NO SUCH thing as a liberal or conservative person because there is no acceptable way to make a definition of either. Everyone is a 50-50 approximate balance of holding 'liberal' and 'conservative' positions. Once this point is understood it will be realized how foolish it is to paste a label like 'leftist' or 'rightee' or any such nonsensical label on a human being with a brain chock-full of opinions on millions of issues.

 

Stop that nonsense now. Dr.joeb cannot be labeled as a 'liberal' because he is ultra conservative on some issues like abortion rights. Dr.joeb believes government has no business in intervening in personal decisions that do not affect the general public. Abortion is a personal decision that should not be subject to any level of government control. Such decisions should be made by the persons involved directly in the reasons for aborting or not.

 

Finally, Dr.joeb has always been a fan of George Bush Senior who is a real American hero like John Glenn. Dr.joeb has no bias against good republicans like Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt, and many more. Unfortunately, lack of ethics has often been a driving force in the GOP because it is the Laissez Faire party. I.e. Leave to do with minimal to no regulating. It is not surprising that Ted Bundy was a GOP worker. There is another message in this topic that lists well over a hundred deviates who were diehard GOP politicians or supporters of the GOP. Trump seems to fit in nicely with this bunch.


Chuck, try doing homework for a change. There is lots of evidence of Johnson's investigation of Nixon. Do an internet search.

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"The labels have become meaningless. Or worse they have become chameleons that can change color to mean any thing that anyone wants them to mean".

 

Dr Joe B. You mean like Republicans and Democrats, I think we all know what they mean by now, but the word I'm thinking about is Racist, that's the word you should really be focusing on.

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It seems like there's a never-ending line o' Trumpoids/Teabaggers/"conservatives", here, who keep repeating the same, damned question; how to define/what is a Conservative, Liberal or Progressive....as if there's some kind o' conflict, between the last-two.

I'm (still) guessing these Teabaggers/"conservatives" short-term-memory issues are a direct-result o' fetal-alcohol-syndrome....but, they now have an option. They can always bookmark this thread, for future-reference purposes.

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conservative:

: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

: not liking or accepting changes or new ideas

liberal:

: believing that government should be active in supporting social and political change

: not opposed to new ideas or ways of behaving that are not traditional or widely accepted

progressive:

: moving forward

: happening or developing gradually over a period of time

: using or interested in new or modern ideas especially in politics and education

 

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

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Personreal needs to read message 12 of this topic to understand that there is NO SUCH thing as a liberal or conservative person because there is no acceptable way to make a definition of either. Everyone is a 50-50 approximate balance of holding 'liberal' and 'conservative' positions. Once this point is understood it will be realized how foolish it is to paste a label like 'leftist' or 'rightee' or any such nonsensical label on a human being with a brain chock-full of opinions on millions of issues.

 

Stop that nonsense now. Dr.joeb cannot be labeled as a 'liberal' because he is ultra conservative on some issues like abortion rights. Dr.joeb believes government has no business in intervening in personal decisions that do not affect the general public. Abortion is a personal decision that should not be subject to any level of government control. Such decisions should be made by the persons involved directly in the reasons for aborting or not.

 

Finally, Dr.joeb has always been a fan of George Bush Senior who is a real American hero like John Glenn. Dr.joeb has no bias against good republicans like Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt, and many more. Unfortunately, lack of ethics has often been a driving force in the GOP because it is the Laissez Faire party. I.e. Leave to do with minimal to no regulating. It is not surprising that Ted Bundy was a GOP worker. There is another message in this topic that lists well over a hundred deviates who were diehard GOP politicians or supporters of the GOP. Trump seems to fit in nicely with this bunch.

Chuck, try doing homework for a change. There is lots of evidence of Johnson's investigation of Nixon. Do an internet search.

Why don't you post about the lack of ethics in the democrat party?

 

 

I defend your right to be inconsistent. Keep up the good work Doc. :)

 

 

You're always bragging about how much you post and how long you've studied these issues.

 

Why do you need to blow your own horn? Can't your posts stand on their own?

 

Hey Joe...do you know this lady...and is what she said appropriate in a college classroom? Or any classroom for that matter?

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-professor-anti-donald-trump-rant-caught-video/

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We are not in 100% agreement with the way Mr. Roof responded to those repeated acts of provocation by the colored element in Charleston.

 

Nevertheless, we have empathy for the young gentleman.

 

We're confident everyone can agree that one unfortunate mistake in judgment should not allow the haters to deny Mr. Roof an opportunity to lead a happy and productive life.

 

An appropriate resolution of this awkward matter will be a sentence of time served, followed by a week of public service at a home for unwed mothers.

 

Know what we mean?

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We are not in 100% agreement with the way Mr. Roof responded to those repeated acts of provocation by the colored element in Charleston.

Nevertheless, we have empathy for the young gentleman.

 

Whew!!!!

Talk about White-trash, pre-incarceration sweet-talkin'!!!!

Do you folks also offer flowers....or, candy....before you start "bangin'" your new-recruits, inside??

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Trump may be shown to be guilty of high treason. If that happens, then there is no way the electoral college can vote for him legally. You viewers should know that they stopped the recount in Michigan when it was found that at least 75000 blank ballots were discovered. Who blanked them out? You see? There is no way to guarantee an honest election as long as electronic counting occurs. Anyone who hacks the files can change outcomes. The election in the 3 pivotal states are especially suspicious.

 

This last election made even the Bush/Gore one look like a small faux pas.

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The reason that Dr.joeb hardly ever attacks Democrats for unethical behavior is that such incidences are scarce compared to GOP perverts and child molesters. See the message in this topic that lists over 100 GOP supporters with serious morality problems. Search on Ted Bundy the famous mass murder and that message will eventually come up in this topic. Ted Bundy was a so-called conservative GOP precinct worker. You see? Not having rules and regulations is more a GOP thing. If someone happens to be a pervert then the GOP is the party for them. Small wonder it attracts so many weird perverts. However, most GOP folks are not perverts. Some are real Christians who do not approve of misogynists like Trump. Kudos for the good guys in the GOP supporter category.

 

Regulations do not appear out of thin air they appear because of necessity. Just eliminating regulations opens the doors to massive swindles like the one in the banks under GW Bush and the S&L debacle caused by Reagan's elimination of regulations on S&L. We are still paying for the damage done to our economy by both administration's deregulations.

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Chuck, do you know how George Washington became the first president. Dr.joeb gives you a clue. He did not win the vote of the public. But, of course, he could have won it had there been a public election. He was pushed into the position because of his popularity with the politicians of his time. He did not want the second term due to his health problems but they pushed into the position a second time. Popular elections occurred later after the political leaders settled up on how the federal government was to work in conjunction with the states. Many of the states did not want to be part of the United States but preferred to be separate countries.

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