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Ambassador Acknowledges He Said Aid For Ukraine Depended On Public Support For Probes

 
November 5, 20191:40 PM ET
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U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland (center) arrives at the U.S. Capitol on Oct. 17. The transcript of his testimony, as well as a supplemental statement, was released on Tuesday.

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Editor's note: This is a developing story and will update with more details of the testimony.

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Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, acknowledged telling an aide to Ukraine's president that U.S. military aid was tied to a public statement of "corruption" from Kyiv, according to a supplemental statement from Sondland that was part of a transcript released Tuesday of the envoy's closed-door deposition Oct. 17 before congressional investigators.

President Trump, through a pressure campaign led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, wanted Ukraine to investigate debunked conspiracy theories related to the 2016 election and the actions of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, which the president and his supporters say amount to corruption.

"I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks," Sondland writes, noting that he now recalls a Sept. 1 meeting in which he told that to an aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

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That conversation followed a meeting between Vice President Pence and Zelenskiy, "in which President Zelensky had raised the issue of the suspension of U.S. aid to Ukraine directly with Vice President Pence," Sondland notes.

The pressure campaign evolved over time, Sondland said, questioning its legality.

"It kept — it kept getting more insidious as timeline went on," Sondland said, "and back in July, it was all about just corruption."

In addition to Sondland's deposition, the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry into Trump also released the transcript of their interview with Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine. (Read Volker's transcript here and Sondland's here.)

It is the second batch of transcripts released in a new more public-facing phase of the inquiry, which so far has been conducted behind closed doors.

"Pompeo rolled his eyes"

Sondland also revealed that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was aware of Giuliani's irregular role. Sondland said he discussed Giuliani's involvement in foreign affairs with Pompeo. Pompeo's reaction?

"Pompeo rolled his eyes and said: Yes, it's something we have to deal with," Sondland said.

Volker also said Pompeo was aware of Giuliani's influence on Trump.

"I described my concern that [Giuliani] is projecting a damaging or a negative image about Ukraine, and that's reaching the President, and that I am trying to work with Ukrainians to correct that messaging, correct that impression," Volker said.

According to Volker, Pompeo said he was "glad" Volker was trying to correct those efforts.

The question of quid pro quo

The White House contends that the transcripts of the depositions help the president.

"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought," White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement, referring to the impeachment inquiry. "Ambassador Sondland squarely states that he 'did not know, (and still does not know) when, why or by whom the aid was suspended.' He also said he 'presumed' there was a link to the aid — but cannot identify any solid source for that assumption.

"By contrast, Volker's testimony confirms there could not have been a quid pro quo because the Ukrainians did not know about the military aid hold at the time. No amount of salacious media-biased headlines, which are clearly designed to influence the narrative, change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong."

At the heart of the inquiry is whether the president sought a quid pro quo from his Ukrainian counterpart for his own political gain. Trump denies he set any conditions on releasing Ukrainian aid. But in testimony released Tuesday, Sondland told investigators that he told Zelenskiy on July 19 that his call was Trump "is finally on, and I think it's important that you, you know, give President Trump — he wanted this — some kind of statement about corruption."

Trump's desire for a public statement from Ukraine's president is similarly detailed by the testimony of acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor in his opening statement during his deposition late last month.

"Ambassador Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelenskyy was dependent on a public announcement of investigations," Taylor said. "In fact, Ambassador Sondland said, 'everything' was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance. He said that President Trump wanted President Zelenskyy 'in a public box' by making a public statement about ordering such investigations."

Taylor noted that he told Sondland to push back against the president's "demand" and "should have more respect for another head of state."

For his part, Volker said the holdup of military aid "was not significant" in the grand scheme of things.

"I don't believe — in fact, I am quite sure that at least I, Secretary Pompeo, the official representatives of the U.S., never communicated to Ukrainians that it is being held for a reason. We never had a reason," he testified.

Sondland contradictions

Sondland, a major Trump donor, was in contact with the president and was part of a campaign to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens' business dealings in the country. Multiple witnesses had contradicted Sondland's original testimony that he was not aware of the broader strategy, which Sondland amended in this new release.

Another point of contention in Sondland's testimony is that he said that a July 10 National Security Council meeting was uneventful, while others said the meeting was problematic because of what they saw as pressure leveled by Sondland.

Sondland had said he only talked broadly during that meeting about investigations by Ukraine. The three witnesses said then-national security adviser John Bolton quickly shut the meeting down. Fiona Hill, a former top Russia adviser on the NSC, said Bolton described what was happening as a "drug deal" and described the president's lawyer Giuliani as a "hand grenade" who was going to blow everyone up.

In his prepared testimony to the committees on Oct. 17, Sondland wrote that "neither Ambassador Bolton, Dr. Hill, nor anyone else on the NSC staff ever expressed any concerns to me about our efforts, any complaints about coordination between State and the NSC, or, most importantly, any concerns that we were acting improperly."

The top Ukraine expert on the NSC, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, testified that he did raise his concerns directly to Sondland.

Sondland also said he was kept out of the broader plan to pressure Ukraine to investigate Democrats in exchange for aid and engagement with the White House.

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In his testimony, Sondland said, "Withholding foreign aid in order to pressure a foreign government to take such steps would be wrong. I did not and would not ever participate in such undertakings."

Testimony by Taylor and others appeared to contradict Sondland's insistence in his opening statement that he was unaware of such a campaign.

Ukrainian prosecutor's allegations

Volker noted in his testimony that former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, in an attempt to curry favor with Trump, peddled false allegations about the 2016 election and the Bidens' connections to Ukraine.

"My opinion of Prosecutor General Lutsenko was that he was acting in a self-serving manner," Volker said, "frankly making things up, in order to appear important to the United States, because he wanted to save his job."

Volker is not alone. Taylor and his predecessor as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, also testified that Lutsenko's allegations were not credible.

And yet, Volker testified that he thought Trump did believe Lutsenko's allegations, which partially led to Yovanovitch's recall.

"Yes, it is my opinion that he believed them," Volker said. "I know that Mr. Giuliani did, and I know that Mr. Giuliani reported to President Trump. So I believe that President Trump believed them."

In other words, the last two U.S. ambassadors to Ukraine and the U.S. special envoy to Ukraine all determined that Lutsenko's allegations were false, and yet the president of the United States apparently made consequential moves based on Lutsenko's allegations.

The allegations against potential political rival Joe Biden, if true, had the potential to help Trump's reelection campaign.

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That's simple Diplomacy 101

 

Holding out the AID ''carrot'' for certain reciprocity actions by a country....that's the norm

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Its like saying its wrong to tell your kid..."get better grades and we will raise your allowance"

 

Its called positive reinforcement.   Libs are desperate for anything

 

 

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Telling a person on parole...you must do these certain things for 1 year to get off parole

 

That's extortion or bribery?  lol.  Ukraine is a PAROLE country - always will be  :) 

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Remember Golfboy saying over and over that there was no quid pro quo?

 

Seems like yesterday.

 

Bill

 

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how was it testified as fact  it was implicit or told as the witness opinion of president's intention?  the latter really opens up backsplash on those creating this theater everywhere the false interpretations are spread.

 

nuclear implosion of ideology losing their faithful fellowships and obedient compliers..

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8 minutes ago, sole result said:

how was it testified as fact  it was implicit or told as the witness opinion of president's intention?  the latter really opens up backsplash on those creating this theater everywhere the false interpretations are spread.

 

nuclear implosion of ideology losing their faithful fellowships and obedient compliers..

To bad your side was wrong again.sole. They can't seem to get anything right. 

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1 hour ago, dontlooknow said:

To bad your side was wrong again.sole. They can't seem to get anything right. 

What is my side again? Oh you never look now. Don't look won't see. I understand why you are who you think you should have been

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Just now, sole result said:

What is my side again? Oh you never look now. Don't look won't see. I understand why you are who you think you should have been

So you don't see that the Republicans are claiming the same crime with Biden as trump. 

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19 minutes ago, dontlooknow said:

So you don't see that the Republicans are claiming the same crime with Biden as trump. 

You never pay attention I work against corruption and it is everywhere including you. Why do you think I always reference myself as just one male reproduction being eternally sorted apart now in plain sight?

 

Honesty has to start at the common point everything is equally spaced apart regardless interpretation developing doubt it is here all the time, time is just the current point of being part of eternally sorted apart as added to the population and not anymore. that distance of not anymore is compared to spins of the planet, shapes the sunlight reflects off the moon, solstices and equinoxes, each revolution around the star all working spontaneously doing separate things.

 

but I that because humans are condition to refuse to accept it for over 200 reproductive cycles the populaiton has never been the same reproduction twice. yet reality defines everyting has to be separate time line talking points matching technology of clocks nd calendars making things linear, literal, figurative, relative to subjective opinion with objectives to keep the population thinking life is too complicated to live without a social order granting those in charge power to dictate the definitions and value of those serving the hypothetical standards recorded as facts open to debate rank as categorized to characteristics of individuals populaitoning geographical areas of the planet intellectually part of 288 grids of one surface measuring one species being educated to think a higher power chose this species to govern over life from now on by context over content.

 

word of God so laws are larger than the persons writing the syllables and those writing the syllables aren't in charge of what the words mean. see the hoax yet not lookingforsolutions justwaystokeepconlictsneverending so the invented chain of command is always in charge of collecting taxes and rent from those eternally sorted apart from now on?

 

 

I came up with what I posted using points of observation to find results to what, where, when, who, how, why, means, methods, motives, opportunities, mayhem, madness, misery, literal, figuative, relative, social, ancestral, academic, artistic, spiritual, political, economical, historical, currently.

 

that is 25 angles around any talking point at physcial results and movements that only happen as simultaneously took, taking place so far because from now on is future details not completed yet which does added to never the same from now on.

 

Compounding total sums within the compounding total sum because it is all self contianed as spontaneousl changing shape and form of all individual parts eternity keeps eternally universally balancing now..  proving defending humanity is constant human error against those saving humanity is a social greater good.  no win debate as those rather beleive than admit how long the deception has lasted is something most won't tolerate being made aware of ever.

 

hence your behavior to what I post. avoid what I said and reinterpret it to what you think it meant so I get mad and you look cool calm and incontrol, hoax. But popular opinion picks your side over someone pointing out other peoples ancestries were duped historically which is what I am doing tomy own ancestry since all those involved to me being conceived are dead and decomposing.

 

but nobody cares as long as their reality works a practiced historically. General philosophy, don't tix what never fails to allow everyone to ignore what life has always been..

 

Long live never ending corruption until the species corrupted doesn' have reproductions in the atmosphere anymore. and you are cool with that.

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Just now, sole result said:

You never pay attention I work against corruption and it is everywhere including you. Why do you think I always reference myself as just one male reproduction being eternally sorted apart now in plain sight?

 

Honesty has to start at the common point everything is equally spaced apart regardless interpretation developing doubt it is here all the time, time is just the current point of being part of eternally sorted apart as added to the population and not anymore. that distance of not anymore is compared to spins of the planet, shapes the sunlight reflects off the moon, solstices and equinoxes, each revolution around the star all working spontaneously doing separate things.

 

but I that because humans are condition to refuse to accept it for over 200 reproductive cycles the populaiton has never been the same reproduction twice. yet reality defines everyting has to be separate time line talking points matching technology of clocks nd calendars making things linear, literal, figurative, relative to subjective opinion with objectives to keep the population thinking life is too complicated to live without a social order granting those in charge power to dictate the definitions and value of those serving the hypothetical standards recorded as facts open to debate rank as categorized to characteristics of individuals populaitoning geographical areas of the planet intellectually part of 288 grids of one surface measuring one species being educated to think a higher power chose this species to govern over life from now on by context over content.

 

word of God so laws are larger than the persons writing the syllables and those writing the syllables aren't in charge of what the words mean. see the hoax yet not lookingforsolutions justwaystokeepconlictsneverending so the invented chain of command is always in charge of collecting taxes and rent from those eternally sorted apart from now on?

The rich always win in the end sole. 

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1 minute ago, sole result said:

You never pay attention I work against corruption and it is everywhere including you. Why do you think I always reference myself as just one male reproduction being eternally sorted apart now in plain sight?

 

Honesty has to start at the common point everything is equally spaced apart regardless interpretation developing doubt it is here all the time, time is just the current point of being part of eternally sorted apart as added to the population and not anymore. that distance of not anymore is compared to spins of the planet, shapes the sunlight reflects off the moon, solstices and equinoxes, each revolution around the star all working spontaneously doing separate things.

 

but I that because humans are condition to refuse to accept it for over 200 reproductive cycles the populaiton has never been the same reproduction twice. yet reality defines everyting has to be separate time line talking points matching technology of clocks nd calendars making things linear, literal, figurative, relative to subjective opinion with objectives to keep the population thinking life is too complicated to live without a social order granting those in charge power to dictate the definitions and value of those serving the hypothetical standards recorded as facts open to debate rank as categorized to characteristics of individuals populaitoning geographical areas of the planet intellectually part of 288 grids of one surface measuring one species being educated to think a higher power chose this species to govern over life from now on by context over content.

 

word of God so laws are larger than the persons writing the syllables and those writing the syllables aren't in charge of what the words mean. see the hoax yet not lookingforsolutions justwaystokeepconlictsneverending so the invented chain of command is always in charge of collecting taxes and rent from those eternally sorted apart from now on?

The rich always win in the end so

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27 minutes ago, dontlooknow said:

The only power a working man has is in his vote. 

Voters know the difference between right and wrong. They know that it was wrong of Trump to attempt use American military aid to force Ukraine to aid his 2020 campaign. They will use their votes to punish Trump in 2020 - if he is still in the race by then. 

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1 minute ago, Olivaw said:

Voters know the difference between right and wrong.

That's right.  And that's why, when the arrests start, and America sees this partisan impeach hoax for what it is, they are going to strongly back Trump. 

Just in time for the 2020 election. 

 

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53 minutes ago, dontlooknow said:

We have proof that Trump had a quid pro quo. He even admitted it on tape. 

dontknow is a liar.   

Trump never admitted any such thing, and I've already challenged him to prove it, and he ran away. 

 

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1 minute ago, Golfboy said:

That's right.  And that's why, when the arrests start, and America sees this partisan impeach hoax for what it is, they are going to strongly back Trump. 

Just in time for the 2020 election. 

 

 

A week ago or so ago your line was that there was no quid pro quo. Remember?

 

Is there no depth of dishonesty to which you will not stoop?

 

Bill

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

A week ago or so ago your line was that there was no quid pro quo. Remember?

 

Is there no depth of dishonesty to which you will not stoop?

 

Bill

 

 

 

Golftoy is an idiot and a liar. 

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10 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

A week ago or so ago your line was that there was no quid pro quo. Remember?

Is there no depth of dishonesty to which you will not stoop?

Bill

And that's still the truth.  No quid pro quo. 

If you want to prove otherwise, tell us what the quid was, and what the quo was. 

 

I'll wait. 

 

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Just now, Golfboy said:

And that's still the truth.  No quid pro quo. 

If you want to prove otherwise, tell us what the quid was, and what the quo was. 

 

I'll wait. 

 

You're wrong once again. So sad. 

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5 minutes ago, dontlooknow said:

Golftoy is an idiot and a liar. 

^^ got his pussy grabbed claiming Trump admitted QPQ.

Then he said it was the "UK Ambassador".   

Then he said 3 people on the Trump phone call supported the whistleblower. 

 

dontknow is a liar. 

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Just now, dontlooknow said:

You're wrong once again. So sad. 

Prove me wrong.   Tell us what the quid was, and what the quo was. 

I've been waiting all night. 

 

dontknow is a liar. 

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