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Even Physicists Don’t Understand Quantum Mechanics

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1 minute ago, splunch said:

Physicists do NOT understand how it all works under the hood.  But the math WORKS.  That's all.  You can use it to solve problems and find answers in the physical universe. 

I don’t understand it all, and I don’t copy and paste things to act like I do . 

As ive been told .. I’m a “bad teacher” 

so what do I know ? 

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Just now, Imgreatagain said:

I don’t understand it all, and I don’t copy and paste things to act like I do . 

As ive been told .. I’m a “bad teacher” 

so what do I know ? 

 

How about you shut up?

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1 minute ago, leftwinger said:

 

you're stupid

You’re breaking my heart 

now many facts do you know and how many did copy and paste? ( to make yourself look .. duh..  super smart ? ) 

sorry for  exposing you “littlewiener”

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1 minute ago, Imgreatagain said:

I don’t understand it all, and I don’t copy and paste things to act like I do . 

As ive been told .. I’m a “bad teacher” 

so what do I know ? 

Great point.  That's why I trust the expert opinions of highly trained scientists on these matters.  The ones who use quantum mechanics to solve difficult problems, to produce technologies and reveal the mysteries of the universe.  They keep pushing quantum mechanics to its limits and it keeps giving them answers that keep turning out to be right.  That's what you call a successful scientific theory.  Or they do, really.

 

You know, courts of law defer to experts every day.  There is such a thing.  When you find them, you do your best to try to vet them and clarify the limits of their expertise, and then you rely on them to advise you.  I do it at work every day, too.  You appear to be leaning towards this notion that nobody should ever form an opinion about anything, no matter where they get their information and advice, unless they have personally laid their eyes on every single piece of the puzzle, and even then, you probably know nothing.

 

If you want to live like that you go ahead.  I'm not doing it.  It's insane and crippling to not know how to find experts and use them.  It cannot help anything and can only serve political agendas, not real problem solving.

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Just now, splunch said:

Great point.  That's why I trust the expert opinions of highly trained scientists on these matters.  The ones who use quantum mechanics to solve difficult problems, to produce technologies and reveal the mysteries of the universe.  They keep pushing quantum mechanics to its limits and it keeps giving them answers that keep turning out to be right.  That's what you call a successful scientific theory.  Or they do, really.

 

You know, courts of law defer to experts every day.  There is such a thing.  When you find them, you do your best to try to vet them and clarify the limits of their expertise, and then you rely on them to advise you.  I do it at work every day, too.  You appear to be leaning towards this notion that nobody should ever form an opinion about anything, no matter where they get their information and advice, unless they have personally laid their eyes on every single piece of the puzzle, and even then, you probably know nothing.

 

If you want to live like that you go ahead.  I'm not doing it.  It's insane and crippling to not know how to find experts and use them.  It cannot help anything and can only serve political agendas, not real problem solving.

 

The article was written by a well known physicist. He wants researchers at universities to do more theoretical work in explaining basic concepts in quantum mechanics. Those who whine are to be ignored.

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2 minutes ago, splunch said:

Great point.  That's why I trust the expert opinions of highly trained scientists on these matters.  The ones who use quantum mechanics to solve difficult problems, to produce technologies and reveal the mysteries of the universe.  They keep pushing quantum mechanics to its limits and it keeps giving them answers that keep turning out to be right.  That's what you call a successful scientific theory.  Or they do, really.

 

You know, courts of law defer to experts every day.  There is such a thing.  When you find them, you do your best to try to vet them and clarify the limits of their expertise, and then you rely on them to advise you.  I do it at work every day, too.  You appear to be leaning towards this notion that nobody should ever form an opinion about anything, no matter where they get their information and advice, unless they have personally laid their eyes on every single piece of the puzzle, and even then, you probably know nothing.

 

If you want to live like that you go ahead.  I'm not doing it.  It's insane and crippling to not know how to find experts and use them.  It cannot help anything and can only serve political agendas, not real problem solving.

Since this is a political forum , I don’t feel stupid for not knowing the great answers to some of sciences biggest questions 

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4 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

You’re breaking my heart 

now many facts do you know and how many did copy and paste? ( to make yourself look .. duh..  super smart ? ) 

sorry for  exposing you “littlewiener”

Breaking your heart?  Come on toughen up 

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Just now, Imgreatagain said:

Since this is a political forum , I don’t feel stupid for not knowing the great answers to some of sciences biggest questions 

 

then ignore it you troll.

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6 minutes ago, splunch said:

Dark matter is indirectly observable through gravitational lensing.

 

The gravity is observable via lensing, and this gravity isn't consistent with relativity equations for gravity that on smaller scales are perfect.  Dark matter isn't observable.  

 

6 minutes ago, splunch said:

This isn't God.

 

I'm not claiming it is.  I'm saying it would hardly be any less satisfying to call it God.  There's as much evidence for either thing.

 

6 minutes ago, splunch said:

It's matter that we do not know how to detect yet.  We know there is matter.

 

No we don't.  

 

6 minutes ago, splunch said:

 We know some matter is extraordinarily hard to detect.

 

The stuff that is so hard to detect usually has zero or near-zero mass.  

 

6 minutes ago, splunch said:

Looking at how dark matter bends time and space, it would require a completely baseless leap of imagination to conclude "God". 

 

You're assuming dark matter exists despite no evidence of its existence.  It requires the same baseless leap of imagination to insert any unverifiable, made up thing into Einstein's relativity equation to preserve its accuracy on galactic scales.  

 

6 minutes ago, splunch said:

No such leap of inventive imagination is necessary to surmise that matter, which we already know exists, including in very difficult to detect forms, is doing what it always does, bending time and space.  Obviously we cannot detect it, but us not being able to see it is hardly new or remotely unusual.  We can't see x-rays, either, unless we have the right tools.  

 

The things that are extremely hard to detect and don't interact with light are not the types of things that carry enormous mass.  They wouldn't come anywhere close to explaining the amount of gravity that would be required to hold galaxies and galaxy clusters together.  

 

Look, everything you're saying is totally consistent with what our foremost astrophysicists are saying.  But particularly in the case of dark matter, it's a non-scientific leap of faith to assume something unverifiable exists in order to preserve the accuracy of an equation that otherwise is rendered inaccurate by our own plain as day observations.  These scientists are so amazed by the accuracy of Einsteinian relativity on planetary scales that the notion that those formulas break down and fail on more macro scales is considered sacrilege. 

 

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1 minute ago, Imgreatagain said:

Since this is a political forum , I don’t feel stupid for not knowing the great answers to some of sciences biggest questions 

Do you feel stupid for discussing what experts are telling us about what they are working on?  I mean, I've never done the math, either, but when they lay out what they're looking at, like distant galaxies smeared across their telescopes by matter that they cannot otherwise see, it's pretty cut and dried.  There it is.  And this is how they explain it.  Not how I explain it.  How they explain it.

 

This is how I know climate change is real, too, it turns out:  because highly trained experts among us work really hard to learn about the universe and share their findings with the rest of us.

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1 minute ago, Neomalthusian said:

t requires the same baseless leap of imagination to insert any unverifiable, made up thing into Einstein's relativity equation to preserve its accuracy on galactic scales.  

 

false

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Hilarious, We are now trying to figure out what God knew millions of years ago, Hey lets all not listen to Ignorant Dummyrats and their new self proclaimed knowledge, that is millions of years old.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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40 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

Great a thread that states that physicists  don’t even understand it.. then a bunch of boneheads trying to act like THEY do. 

 

Good point!!

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5 minutes ago, 123urout said:

Hilarious, We are now trying to figure out what God knew millions of years ago, Hey lets all not listen to Ignorant Dummyrats and their new self proclaimed knowledge, that is millions of years old.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

ha ha ha let's be ignorant!!!! lol....knowledge sucks!!!!!!!!!!

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57 minutes ago, leftwinger said:

 

 

ha ha ha let's be ignorant!!!! lol....knowledge sucks!!!!!!!!!!

You Demorats have no knowledge, you are infinitely ignorant in comparison, you are just too ignorant to know it.LOL

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Just now, Neomalthusian said:

You're assuming dark matter exists despite no evidence of its existence.

Other than the effects it has on space-time, of course, which are clearly observable in the Hubble telescope.

 

Since, I'm assuming, you are not a physicist who specializes in quantum mechanics, it seems odd that you would be all militant about bashing their work.  They're a super-competitive bunch, you know, highly intent on bashing each other's work as it is, and they're the ones telling us quantum mechanics keeps delivering correct answers.

 

But I'm sure you've found some super-reliable conspiracy theorist on YouTube who has better information....

 

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Just now, 123urout said:

You Demorats have no knowledge, you are infinitely ignorant in comparison, you are just too ignorant to know it.LOL

 

Do you think theoretical knowledge of physics should be pursued in our universities?

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57 minutes ago, leftwinger said:

 

Do you think theoretical knowledge of physics should be pursued in our universities?

I dont care what they pursue, As long as they stay politically neutral.Pushing socialism the way they do is just plain foolish, I doubt they will ever be able to figure anything out if they cant figure that out.

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Just now, 123urout said:

I dont care what they pursue, As long as they stay politically neutral.Pushing socialism the way they do is just plain foolish, I doubt they will ever be able to figure anything out if they cant figure that out.

 

Which quantum physicists are pushing socialism?

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21 minutes ago, 123urout said:

Hilarious, We are now trying to figure out what God knew millions of years ago, Hey lets all not listen to Ignorant Dummyrats and their new self proclaimed knowledge, that is millions of years old.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 God said "let there be light" BEFORE he  created the Sun and  Moon. God as described in Genesis was not very bright. Or at least the fool who wrote Genesis did not think seriously about where light on Earth came from.

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