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The problem is that, despite the success of our current theories at fitting the data, they can’t be the final answer, because they are internally inconsistent. Gravity, in particular, doesn’t fit into the framework of quantum mechanics like our other theories do. It’s possible — maybe even perfectly reasonable — to imagine that our inability to understand quantum mechanics itself is standing in the way.

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Just now, leftwinger said:

This has been the case since the 1930s, when physicists collectively decided that what mattered was not understanding quantum mechanics itself; what mattered was using a set of ad hoc quantum rules to construct models of particles and materials. The former enterprise came to be thought of as vaguely philosophical and disreputable.

Yes... That was called the Solvay conference... But once again what relevancy does it have in this point in time and why all of a sudden is it news again

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Just now, Giujo said:

Yes... That was called the Solvay conference... But once again what relevancy does it have in this point in time and why all of a sudden is it news again

 

The author is explaining it.  You are a doofus. 

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I know it must make you feel smart cutting and pasting stuff about quantum mechanics... The sad part is you obviously haven't ever taken the time to actually study it... And there will be no chance of you ever being able to discuss it intelligently.

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Just now, Giujo said:

I know it must make you feel smart cutting and pasting stuff about quantum mechanics... The sad part is you obviously haven't ever taken the time to actually study it... And there will be no chance of you ever being able to discuss it intelligently.

 

Gosh.

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Just now, leftwinger said:

 

Gosh.

And golly

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While there are many things about Quantum physics that physicists don't understand, we certainly have learned to use it, and it has produced our digital age with flat screens, smartphones, and assorted other gob-smacking devices with a Quantum computer to come!

In reality Quantum mechanics is counter-intuitive to human logic in that repeating the same action results in a probability of responses, but no definite and precisely predictable response. 

Much is made of this as though it implies that since there are things about Quantum mechanics that we don't yet understand, it justifies all sorts of bizarro beliefs, including the old stand-by, the God delusion.

But for centuries we didn't understand the movement of the planets, until Copernicus and Galileo came along. We didn't understand the perihelion of Mercury, until Einstein came along with his General theory of Relativity. We didn't understand biology or evolution or genetics, until those mysteries were solved.

Perhaps someday we will come to a better understanding of Quantum, but it may be some time in the future. 

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On 9/8/2019 at 8:12 PM, leftwinger said:

 

gibberish machine. AI

Your reality is human manifested doubt about how life actually sustains the lifetimes existing currently as reproduced total sums adapting in the moment here physically one lifetime at a time now.

 

Your ideology is human error compounded ancestrally going on historically with everyone in charge preventing people from understanding the self evident kinetic connection to the universe being perpetually balancing in plain sight and instinctively navigated and socially misdirected since the dawn of civilization taming human nature to follow verbal orders spoken or written.

 

It is why There is a universal rules of insubordination, treason, blasphemy in each social narrative directing human nature cradle to grave historically.  The common things people do regardless what side they take socially.

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On 9/8/2019 at 5:43 PM, leftwinger said:

There are two problems. One is that quantum mechanics, as it is enshrined in textbooks, seems to require separate rules for how quantum objects behave when we’re not looking at them, and how they behave when they are being observed.

 

When we’re not looking, they exist in “superpositions” of different possibilities, such as being at any one of various locations in space. But when we look, they suddenly snap into just a single location, and that’s where we see them. We can’t predict exactly what that location will be; the best we can do is calculate the probability of different outcomes.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/opinion/sunday/quantum-physics.html

 

It's not just at the quantum levels that major theories break down, it's at the galactic and intergalactic scales too.  There's no theory of gravity, light, etc. that explains what goes on at either level.  There's no quantum theory of gravity, and there's also no known explanation for how gravity keeps galaxies and clusters/superclusters of galaxies together.  The empirical support for Einsteinian relativity on planetary scales is absolute rock solid, but at much larger scales or on quantum scales, they break down.  To explain galactic gravity, you have to switch from Einsteinian gravity's 1/r2  to Newtonian gravity's 1/r.  How can one theory be right on one scale and then the other becomes right on another scale?   

 

The insertion of theories of "dark matter" and "dark energy" and the like are deeply unsatisfying.  Might as well attribute it to God.  That'd hardly be any less scientific than inventing an invisible and imaginary concept to explain what no scientific theory currently explains.

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On 9/8/2019 at 10:14 PM, leftwinger said:

The problem is that, despite the success of our current theories at fitting the data, they can’t be the final answer, because they are internally inconsistent. Gravity, in particular, doesn’t fit into the framework of quantum mechanics like our other theories do. It’s possible — maybe even perfectly reasonable — to imagine that our inability to understand quantum mechanics itself is standing in the way.

Reason is everyone is trained to think in relative time logistics, not actual being alive at the same time.  Everything done socially is intellectually limited to one track DC Current flow. With perpetual balancing there are 5 other current flows actually working simultaneosuly here and now cancelling each other out until humans build technology that crosses the boundaries of spontaneously taking place.

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1 hour ago, Neomalthusian said:

The insertion of theories of "dark matter" and "dark energy" and the like are deeply unsatisfying.  Might as well attribute it to God.  That'd hardly be any less scientific than inventing an invisible and imaginary concept to explain what no scientific theory currently explains.

Except that dark MATTER does what matter does.  Like so many cosmic phenomena before, its presence can be detected and inferred from how it affects its neighbors.  We've never really laid our eyes on a black hole, either, but when you see objects moving around a center of gravity that can only be a black hole, you know it's a black hole.

 

Dark matter is mysterious like neutrinos are mysterious.  We know they're there, but we can still barely find them.  So dark matter isn't quite like just saying "god".

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On 9/8/2019 at 10:02 PM, Giujo said:

 holy crap it must have been a slow news day at the New York Times... They have more answered questions than unanswered questions when it comes to quantum mechanics especially when it comes to applied quantum mechanics.

Applied quantum mechanics? 

 

Like what? 

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On 9/8/2019 at 6:01 PM, sole result said:

Theoretical physics and quantum mechanics are the same methodology by dated franchises doing the same thing 3 generations later. Rotational ideology skipping every 2 or 3 generations so the newer generations won't know what generations personally did a century ago.

 

Like crop rotation in a cultivated garden of maybes nurturing the nature to perform by verbal laws that always allow people of all ideologies ignore now is eternity as human rights of passage into saving humanity ancestrally.

 

Simple compounding errors won't harm anything naturally limited to conception to dead space from nest or womb to tomb regardless the species.

Exactly. Conjecture built on baseless unobservable theory. Makes an entertaining fairy tale for hyper nerds.

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3 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

Exactly. Conjecture built on baseless unobservable theory. Makes an entertaining fairy tale for hyper nerds.

Or...predicts outcomes in reality with astonishing reliability despite the fact that nobody really grasps it conceptually, leading to countless technologies that people take advantage of every day.

 

Or that.

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8 minutes ago, splunch said:

Or...predicts outcomes in reality with astonishing reliability despite the fact that nobody really grasps it conceptually, leading to countless technologies that people take advantage of every day.

 

Or that.

Name one practical application that is wholly reliant on quantum mechanics. 

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On 9/8/2019 at 8:42 PM, XavierOnassis said:

Gardens of maybes.

Theaters of doubt.

whatifsisms by the bale,  ancestral displacements in eight hemispheres kinetic never the same twice.

elemental  Stockholm syndromes vs the Intellectual Armageddon way back when sole's mind SNAPPED!

The One Male of Nostradamus  has risen!   `

 

Sole? Sole? Izzatchyou, Sole?

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On 9/8/2019 at 9:14 PM, leftwinger said:

The problem is that, despite the success of our current theories at fitting the data, they can’t be the final answer, because they are internally inconsistent. Gravity, in particular, doesn’t fit into the framework of quantum mechanics like our other theories do. It’s possible — maybe even perfectly reasonable — to imagine that our inability to understand quantum mechanics itself is standing in the way.

 

This is just lefty trying to sound smart after so many embarrassing smackdowns. Google the first line above and you'll see what I mean.

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On 9/8/2019 at 7:43 PM, leftwinger said:

There are two problems. One is that quantum mechanics, as it is enshrined in textbooks, seems to require separate rules for how quantum objects behave when we’re not looking at them, and how they behave when they are being observed.

 

When we’re not looking, they exist in “superpositions” of different possibilities, such as being at any one of various locations in space. But when we look, they suddenly snap into just a single location, and that’s where we see them. We can’t predict exactly what that location will be; the best we can do is calculate the probability of different outcomes.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/opinion/sunday/quantum-physics.html

I won't pretend to be able to do the math associated with quantum mechanics - admittedly that is beyond my math capabilities.  But, as I understand it, quantum mechanics is basically a set of logically contrary and contradictory "work-arounds" i.e. series of equations, that when used produce usable results.  It's not meant to be understood. 

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25 minutes ago, Libswatter said:

 

Sole? Sole? Izzatchyou, Sole?

Social justifications where groups of people create societal evolution based upon any ideas that keep ancestries trying to prove now isn't eternity until extinction happens is what I mean with Garden's of maybe/institutionalism consti9tuting facts believed that make humans feel exempt from being just reproductions spaced apart in ancestral order of the whole population existing as passing through the atmosphere now.

 

Theaters of doubt are national social identities only created by pretending life exceeds being perpetually balanced ancestrally never staying the same details combined so far.

 

Physical absolutes in your reality are what, death and taxes? In the real moment physical absolutes is total sum events going on now any position of the universe.  Contracting results equally expanding details never the same total sum twice as individually here. beit inorganic or organic construction of the same molecular content inversely proportioning between erosion and decomposition.

 

Ancestral Stockholm Syndrome not elemental which goes back to the old saying about making assumptions.

 

the last part you got correct. One Male being honest about how and why I am one of a kind not a duplicate of anyone before my conception anymore than another person will be a duplication of me. Every lifetime is a one of a kind experience for the duration a species was or is part of the atmosphere here.

 

Eternal changing total sum only keeps details spaced apart as they exist currently adapting in the moment. How the past ends now and the future constantly developing from now on until not individually existing any more inorganic combination or organic conception combining an ancestral chain of lifetimes to specific numbers currently alive.  Self evident until intellectuals create a world stage within geographical theaters of doubt governed by philosophies promising better days tomorrow for total loyalty now.  Pay to play game of not accepting life as it actually exists in plain sight.

 

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On 9/9/2019 at 5:21 AM, Persepolis said:

While there are many things about Quantum physics that physicists don't understand, we certainly have learned to use it, and it has produced our digital age with flat screens, smartphones, and assorted other gob-smacking devices with a Quantum computer to come!

In reality Quantum mechanics is counter-intuitive to human logic in that repeating the same action results in a probability of responses, but no definite and precisely predictable response. 

Much is made of this as though it implies that since there are things about Quantum mechanics that we don't yet understand, it justifies all sorts of bizarro beliefs, including the old stand-by, the God delusion.

But for centuries we didn't understand the movement of the planets, until Copernicus and Galileo came along. We didn't understand the perihelion of Mercury, until Einstein came along with his General theory of Relativity. We didn't understand biology or evolution or genetics, until those mysteries were solved.

Perhaps someday we will come to a better understanding of Quantum, but it may be some time in the future. 

 

As the author, Sean Carroll, states, basic research in the the fundamental meaning of quantum mechanics is useful and necessary.

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3 hours ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

It's not just at the quantum levels that major theories break down, it's at the galactic and intergalactic scales too.  There's no theory of gravity, light, etc. that explains what goes on at either level.  There's no quantum theory of gravity, and there's also no known explanation for how gravity keeps galaxies and clusters/superclusters of galaxies together.  The empirical support for Einsteinian relativity on planetary scales is absolute rock solid, but at much larger scales or on quantum scales, they break down.  To explain galactic gravity, you have to switch from Einsteinian gravity's 1/r2  to Newtonian gravity's 1/r.  How can one theory be right on one scale and then the other becomes right on another scale?   

 

The insertion of theories of "dark matter" and "dark energy" and the like are deeply unsatisfying.  Might as well attribute it to God.  That'd hardly be any less scientific than inventing an invisible and imaginary concept to explain what no scientific theory currently explains.

 

My understanding of physics is that there is no consensus on what gravity is. 

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2 hours ago, splunch said:

Except that dark MATTER does what matter does.  Like so many cosmic phenomena before, its presence can be detected and inferred from how it affects its neighbors.  We've never really laid our eyes on a black hole, either, but when you see objects moving around a center of gravity that can only be a black hole, you know it's a black hole.

 

Dark matter is mysterious like neutrinos are mysterious.  We know they're there, but we can still barely find them.  So dark matter isn't quite like just saying "god".

 

Yes. Because dark matter is a consequence of what we call matter.

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1 hour ago, kfools said:

Applied quantum mechanics? 

 

Like what? 

 

Quantum mechanics, assembled gradually by a group of brilliant minds over the first decades of the 20th century, is an incredibly successful theory. We need it to account for how atoms decay, why stars shine, how transistors and lasers work and, for that matter, why tables and chairs are solid rather than immediately collapsing onto the floor.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/opinion/sunday/quantum-physics.html

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