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6 minutes ago, Neomalthusian said:

While you're at it, explain what you mean by "hang onto the few that exist?"  Are unions just abandoning their bargaining units?  Are any federal or state laws literally abolishing unions?

Ask Scott Walker.  He'll explain it to you. He's another of your right-wing gang that is hellbent on bamboozling people out of their own shirts.

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1 hour ago, splunch said:

Ask Scott Walker.  He'll explain it to you.

 

Dodge/pivot.  So despite the fact you regularly allege it's too hard to form unions, you've never bothered to figure out whether that's actually the case, or why.

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On 8/9/2019 at 12:19 PM, XavierOnassis said:

Unions have no seat on the board of directors, and they should.That is the point. The Germans have a better system that takes workers into account and we have a sucky system that makes this impossible.  It is virtually impossible to form unions in this country. Over the years, the penalties for unfair labor practices are relatively tiny, and corporations pay the fines and keep on screwing the workers.

 

An example of what can happen when workers' unions have disproportionate say in how an organization and its resources are managed is what just happened in Illinois regarding the pension-sabotaging act known as "pension spiking."  The governor just repealed a rule created by the previous governor that curbed this maneuver by which public sector employers intentionally and disproportionately increase workers' pay during their last years of service in the lead up to their pension eligibility date, to inflate their life-long pension benefit.  This allows them to bleed the pension system dry.  This and other horrible pension policies over the years in Illinois leave it with the worst funded state pension in the country.  Workers and their unions love it.  They're celebrating the "victory" right now.

 

Just because some employees aren't rich or highly paid doesn't mean they know what's best for an organization.  They often don't, or they do but they don't care.  It could be that they will actually support the demise of the organization if they think it benefits them financially today.  As a collective, workers will always be at risk of supporting decisions that are extremely self-serving in the short-term but end up creating immense, unsolvable problems long-term.  They're no different intrinsically from a greedy CEO in that regard (not to say that all CEOs are greedy).  Bad policy is bad policy, and workers do not necessarily support good policy.  In some cases they support extremely, extremely bad policy, to the complete detriment of future workers if it benefits them today.  The Illinois' unions' support of pension-spiking is a quintessential example of workers supporting terrible policy.

 

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Unions created a healthy middle class after WWII

 

No they didn't.  The post-war global economy as a whole created the American middle class.  Union health and power rose along with virtually everything else in America.  Overall, practically everyone was doing well from 1948 to 1973, and unions were along for that ride with the rest of us.

 

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, and then Reagan came along and trashed the entire system.

 

No he did not.  Reagan was elected in response to the end of the post-war economic expansion, which started happening in 1973-1974.  Supporters of the welfare state in the 60s and 70s were blamed (maybe fairly in some respects, but unfairly in others) for the downfall of the American economy resulting from the energy crises and Great Inflation, which occurred years before Reagan entered the picture.  It was the blame (even if largely unfair) of the 60s-70s welfare state supporters that led to the swelling support for Reagan/Thatcher type policies in the 1980s.  Liberals to this day tend to try to pin absolutely everything they can back on Reagan/Thatcher, all other context, history and economic factors be damned.

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Reagan was elected because the plot by Kissinger and Big Oil to cause the Iranian Hostage Crisis and wreck Jimmy Carter was successful. Plus, Reagan was a better ACTOR than Carter, and his acting the part of a kindly, yet stern grandpa impressed people who had come to regard the government as a TV show.

 

Reagan fooled most of the people most of the time. He was a great actor.

Carter was an honest and sincere president wyho actually CARED about the people. Reagan cared about reading the script corrrectly.

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49 minutes ago, Neomalthusian said:

blah blah blah blah

The German auto workers make double what their American counterparts make, even when they work for the same company.  They have better benefits and their companies produce better cars.  This happens across the board.  Any comparable industry between the two nations is similarly unequal, with the Germans somehow managing to pay people more and produce good products.

 

Kansas is where the right-wingers want to lead us.  Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, when their policies had the run of the place for years.  Nothing but bankruptcy, poverty, teachers and skilled labor fleeing the state, a WASTELAND.  A uniquely American vision of how to get things done:  give everything to as few people as possible.  Utterly idiotic.

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27 minutes ago, splunch said:

The German auto workers make double what their American counterparts make, even when they work for the same company.  They have better benefits and their companies produce better cars.  This happens across the board.  Any comparable industry between the two nations is similarly unequal, with the Germans somehow managing to pay people more and produce good products.

 

Kansas is where the right-wingers want to lead us.  Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, when their policies had the run of the place for years.  Nothing but bankruptcy, poverty, teachers and skilled labor fleeing the state, a WASTELAND.  A uniquely American vision of how to get things done:  give everything to as few people as possible.  Utterly idiotic.

 

The fact that you had to delete literally everything I said in order to pretend to respond to it shows you have absolutely nothing intelligent to say.

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1 hour ago, XavierOnassis said:

Reagan was elected because the plot by Kissinger and Big Oil to cause the Iranian Hostage Crisis and wreck Jimmy Carter was successful. Plus, Reagan was a better ACTOR than Carter, and his acting the part of a kindly, yet stern grandpa impressed people who had come to regard the government as a TV show.

 

Reagan fooled most of the people most of the time. He was a great actor.

Carter was an honest and sincere president wyho actually CARED about the people. Reagan cared about reading the script corrrectly.

 

Reagan did not end the post-war economic expansion.  The post-war economic expansion ended in the 1970s.  Americans blamed liberalism, and elected Reagan despite the circumstances being somewhat more complicated than simple liberalism.  He was elected largely because it ended and people were pissed about that.  You intentionally shun economic history so that you can perpetuate hyper-partisan quackery talking points.  If you disagree with Reagan's policies and what he did, fine, but that doesn't mean things that clearly aren't attributable him can all be attributed to him.

 

To suggest Reagan ended the post-war economic boom when he was elected years after it ended, or to suggest that because unions were successful during the biggest economic boom in American history that they therefore created the biggest economic boom in American history, these are outright lies that are simply too cretinous to ignore or tolerate.

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On 8/12/2019 at 1:56 PM, Neomalthusian said:

 

Specifically what is it that is preventing workers from forming a union?  I think this is the fourth time I've asked just in this thread alone and you still haven't answered.

 

While you're at it, explain what you mean by "hang onto the few that exist?"  Are unions just abandoning their bargaining units?  Are any federal or state laws literally abolishing unions?

The illegals are probably the reason that workers don't form unions.

Depending on the type of job, the employer can threaten to replace the workers with illegals,

especially if the job is more of a semi-skilled job.

Knowing that there are millions of illegals available,

and that the government will never enforce the laws against hiring the illegals,

especially where the employers own the politicians, pretty much kills the unions.

 

In the higher skilled jobs, like the building trades, specifically home building,

the large builders will pre-engineer the homes to 3 or 4 different floorplans.

Then wall sections, roof trusses, stairs, etc., are built in factories,

and loaded on to semi trailers, trucked to the job site, and erected in a day or two.

The old fashioned carpenter, who knew how to measure and cut, is replaced by a Henry Ford type assembly line.

The builders pay the politicians to change the building codes to permit this type of construction.

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15 minutes ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

Reagan did not end the post-war economic expansion.  The post-war economic expansion ended in the 1970s.  Americans blamed liberalism, and elected Reagan despite the circumstances being somewhat more complicated than simple liberalism.  He was elected largely because it ended and people were pissed about that.  You intentionally shun economic history so that you can perpetuate hyper-partisan quackery talking points.  If you disagree with Reagan's policies and what he did, fine, but that doesn't mean things that clearly aren't attributable him can all be attributed to him.

 

To suggest Reagan ended the post-war economic boom when he was elected years after it ended, or to suggest that because unions were successful during the biggest economic boom in American history that they therefore created the biggest economic boom in American history, these are outright lies that are simply too cretinous to ignore or tolerate.

Reagan modified the tax laws to permit paying executives with stocks, as opposed to salaries.

The corporate executives soon figured out that NEVER investing in new facilities, and hiring illegals, kept the profits high.

In the corporate world, investment cash comes out of profit.

So, to keep profits high, the executives ran the facilities into the ground.

Chrysler was a good example.

The body stamping dies were used so far beyond their life, that they wore so badly, the line workers couldn't get the fenders to fit.

And, of course, the focus on profit and bonuses, instead of long term company growth, led to outsourcing jobs to China,

and the rest is history.

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On 8/9/2019 at 12:31 AM, fishhead said:

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Fish are more intelligent than fishhead.

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:00 PM, Skans said:

Who do you think serves on the board of directors for large publicly traded corporations?  That's right - Shareholders.  I think you must mean "workers are never given that sort of option".  But, they are.  They just don't typically have the funding, or financial backers, to engage in a hostile takeover to get seats at the Big Table. 

TRUMP WAS A HOSTILE TAKEOVER!!!

quote: The election was rigged! He's right! He rigged it!

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6 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

TRUMP WAS A HOSTILE TAKEOVER!!!

quote: The election was rigged! He's right! He rigged it!

The Democrat party is chock full of you nutters. 

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8 minutes ago, Skans said:

The Democrat party is chock full of you nutters. 

No, you cons have the most nut jobs! Just look at this

forum!

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Just now, nuckin futz said:

No, you cons have the most nut jobs! Just look at this

forum!

What's your name again?  Nutter Fukwit?

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4 hours ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Here's what Germany thinks of Trump.

 

Now that was funny. LOL

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45 minutes ago, Fit2Serve said:

Everyone's smarter than Americans.

That's true. Look at the dopey entitlement monkey left. 🤣

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On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 8:59 AM, XavierOnassis said:

German politics are more honest than US politics, German politics are more honest than US politics, and Germany treats its citizens more equitably than the US government does.

 

lofl....the u.s. government is not supposed to be "treating" its citizens....period....it is a state government...if you want government equity you get it from your town...county...state...dip sh it.

we are barely  u.s. citizens....

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