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If You Believe Knives Are As Dangerous As Guns, You Are Too Stupid To Own A Gun

This is one of the dumbest pro-gun arguments imaginable so why is it so popular with ammosexuals?Putting aside that he was lying about violence in the UK (their murder rate is about 1/5 of ours), Trump was simply regurgitating one of the right's favorite, and most insanely stupid, talking points: If murderers can't get guns, they'll just use knives instead!
 

Well, yes, and that's the entire point, isn't it? We want them to be forced to use something, anything, besides a gun to try and kill people. Guns make it extremely easy to A. kill B. kill at a distance C. kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time at a distance. There is literally no other weapon available to the public that can do this as efficiently as a gun. 

A good hunting knife (as opposed to a kitchen knife) can make for an excellent purpose made killing weapon but it's vastly harder to kill with a knife. You have to get close enough to actually cut them and making an instant kill with a single strike is all but impossible unless you have training. That means the person can fight back. Or run away. Or disarm you. Or bystanders can jump in. Or throw backpacks at you until you leave.

Every now and then, there's a mass stabbing attack and, unsurprisingly, very few deaths. Sometimes none at all. Sure, there's a lot of bleeding people but almost all of them get stitches, a scar, unpleasant memories, and little else. There is no universe in which replacing that knife with a handgun would result in the same lack of causalities. Replace it with an assault rifle and you're looking at a pile of corpses.https://thedailybanter.com/2018/05/knives-guns-lunacy/

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HEY YOU FUKKING UNAMERICAN ASSWIPE... DON'T TREAD ON MY RIGHTS TO OWN A GUN... WILL NOT WORK OUT WELL FOR YOU!!

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16 minutes ago, Duck615 said:

HEY YOU FUKKING UNAMERICAN ASSWIPE... DON'T TREAD ON MY RIGHTS TO OWN A GUN... WILL NOT WORK OUT WELL FOR YOU!!

you dont have a right to won a gun, you worthless coward, like most americans you need a gun to be brave because you are a coward at heart

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19 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

If You Believe Knives Are As Dangerous As Guns, You Are Too Stupid To Own A Gun

Which is why VERY few make such an argument.

 

Straw man alert!

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Just now, superds77 said:

Which is why VERY few make such an argument.

 

Straw man alert!

on the contrary look down the thread they are even here as we speak!

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I don't know of anyone who has said knives are as dangerous as guns.  However, the UK is having a crisis related to the use of knives (and other sharp objects).  According to the BBC, there were 43,516 crimes involving the use of a knife for the 12 months ending March 2019.  FYI, that is 119.2 PER DAY.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

 

There were 285 fatal stabbings for the 12 months ending March 2018...the most since they began keeping records in 1946.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957

 

Point is...if someone is hell bent on killing someone, they will find a way.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

you dont have a right to won a gun, you worthless coward, like most americans you need a gun to be brave because you are a coward at heart

Supreme Court disagrees. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, guilluamezenz said:

 oh contrare 

Two things, first of all I don't see the argument being made that the poster believes that knives are more dangerous than guns.

 

Secondly, the post appears to be a sarcastic jab at the notion that banning certain kinds of weapons would result in less crazy people killing other people.

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3 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

I don't know of anyone who has said knives are as dangerous as guns.  However, the UK is having a crisis related to the use of knives (and other sharp objects).  According to the BBC, there were 43,516 crimes involving the use of a knife for the 12 months ending March 2019.  FYI, that is 119.2 PER DAY.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

 

There were 285 fatal stabbings for the 12 months ending March 2018...the most since they began keeping records in 1946.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957

 

Point is...if someone is hell bent on killing someone, they will find a way.

 

 

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Trucks and bombs are more deadly than guns. Poison could kill thousands with far less effort. We need to stop focusing on the tools and look for ways to discourage the tool user.

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13 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

you dont have a right to won a gun, you worthless coward, like most americans you need a gun to be brave because you are a coward at heart

Hey fukknut, the 2nd Amendment says different, now go suck your dads dick

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1 hour ago, guilluamezenz said:

If You Believe Knives Are As Dangerous As Guns, You Are Too Stupid To Own A Gun

This is one of the dumbest pro-gun arguments imaginable so why is it so popular with ammosexuals?Putting aside that he was lying about violence in the UK (their murder rate is about 1/5 of ours), Trump was simply regurgitating one of the right's favorite, and most insanely stupid, talking points: If murderers can't get guns, they'll just use knives instead!
 

Well, yes, and that's the entire point, isn't it? We want them to be forced to use something, anything, besides a gun to try and kill people. Guns make it extremely easy to A. kill B. kill at a distance C. kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time at a distance. There is literally no other weapon available to the public that can do this as efficiently as a gun. 

A good hunting knife (as opposed to a kitchen knife) can make for an excellent purpose made killing weapon but it's vastly harder to kill with a knife. You have to get close enough to actually cut them and making an instant kill with a single strike is all but impossible unless you have training. That means the person can fight back. Or run away. Or disarm you. Or bystanders can jump in. Or throw backpacks at you until you leave.

Every now and then, there's a mass stabbing attack and, unsurprisingly, very few deaths. Sometimes none at all. Sure, there's a lot of bleeding people but almost all of them get stitches, a scar, unpleasant memories, and little else. There is no universe in which replacing that knife with a handgun would result in the same lack of causalities. Replace it with an assault rifle and you're looking at a pile of corpses.https://thedailybanter.com/2018/05/knives-guns-lunacy/

 

I think the POINT is that in the hands of a DERANGED and BRAIN WASHED person... ANYTHING can become a deadly weapon...

 

- Knives,

- Cars,

- Trucks,

- Bombs,

- Poisons,

 

... ANYTHING !!  AND since it is our society that is creating these monsters, who would USE these as weapons of mass destruction... FIXING our Society would seem MORE important than simply removing GUNS!! 

 

I would think that a "SMART" person like yourself, would have REALIZED that !!

 

OR, am I giving you TOO much credit ?

 

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6 minutes ago, ConservativeVoice said:

 

I think the POINT is that in the hands of a DERANGED and BRAIN WASHED person... ANYTHING can become a deadly weapon...

 

- Knives,

- Cars,

- Trucks,

- Bombs,

- Poisons,

 

... ANYTHING !!  AND since it is our society that is creating these monsters, who would USE these as weapons of mass destruction... FIXING our Society would seem MORE important than simply removing GUNS!! 

 

I would think that a "SMART" person like yourself, would have REALIZED that !!

 

OR, am I giving you TOO much credit ?

 

i've studied this guns are made to kill thats why soldiers and cops use them and not knives or cars right? nothing is more deadly than a gun studies show this 80% of homicides are committed with guns in the USA 

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Gun-related homicide and suicide rates in high-income OECD countries, 2010, countries in graph ordered by total death rates (homicide plus suicide plus other gun-related deaths).[3]

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[4] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 persons),[5][6] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).[7] These deaths included 21,175 suicides,[7] 11,208 homicides,[8] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[7] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

In 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the United States, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns.[9] In 2012, 64% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides.[10] In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[11] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[12]

Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide.[13] Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents.[13]

Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher.[14] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the U.S. had 82 percent of all gun deaths, 90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns.[14]

Gun violence against other persons is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence, often involving male juveniles or young adult males.[15][16] Although mass shootings are covered extensively in the media, mass shootings in the United States account for only a small fraction of gun-related deaths.[17] School shootings are described as a "uniquely American crisis", according to The Washington Post in 2018.[18] Kids at U.S. schools have active shooter drills.[19] According to USA Today, in 2019 “about 95% of public schools now have students and teachers practice huddling in silence, hiding from an imaginary gunman.”[19]

Legislation at the federal, state, and local levels has attempted to address gun violence through a variety of methods, including restricting firearms purchases by youths and other "at-risk" populations, setting waiting periods for firearm purchases, establishing gun buyback programs, law enforcement and policing strategies, stiff sentencing of gun law violators, education programs for parents and children, and community-outreach programs. Despite widespread concern about the impacts of gun violence on public health, Congress has prohibited the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from conducting research that advocates in favor of gun control.[20] The CDC has interpreted this ban to extend to all research on gun violence prevention, and so has not funded any research on this subject since 1996.[21]

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10 minutes ago, ConservativeVoice said:

 

I think the POINT is that in the hands of a DERANGED and BRAIN WASHED person... ANYTHING can become a deadly weapon...

 

- Knives,

- Cars,

- Trucks,

- Bombs,

- Poisons,

 

... ANYTHING !!  AND since it is our society that is creating these monsters, who would USE these as weapons of mass destruction... FIXING our Society would seem MORE important than simply removing GUNS!! 

 

I would think that a "SMART" person like yourself, would have REALIZED that !!

 

OR, am I giving you TOO much credit ?

 

325px-2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-i
 
Gun-related homicide and suicide rates in high-income OECD countries, 2010, countries in graph ordered by total death rates (homicide plus suicide plus other gun-related deaths).[3]

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[4] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 persons),[5][6] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).[7] These deaths included 21,175 suicides,[7] 11,208 homicides,[8] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[7] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

In 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the United States, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns.[9] In 2012, 64% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides.[10] In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[11] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[12]

Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide.[13] Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents.[13]

Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher.[14] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the U.S. had 82 percent of all gun deaths, 90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns.[14]

Gun violence against other persons is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence, often involving male juveniles or young adult males.[15][16] Although mass shootings are covered extensively in the media, mass shootings in the United States account for only a small fraction of gun-related deaths.[17] School shootings are described as a "uniquely American crisis", according to The Washington Post in 2018.[18] Kids at U.S. schools have active shooter drills.[19] According to USA Today, in 2019 “about 95% of public schools now have students and teachers practice huddling in silence, hiding from an imaginary gunman.”[19]

Legislation at the federal, state, and local levels has attempted to address gun violence through a variety of methods, including restricting firearms purchases by youths and other "at-risk" populations, setting waiting periods for firearm purchases, establishing gun buyback programs, law enforcement and policing strategies, stiff sentencing of gun law violators, education programs for parents and children, and community-outreach programs. Despite widespread concern about the impacts of gun violence on public health, Congress has prohibited the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from conducting research that advocates in favor of gun control.[20] The CDC has interpreted this ban to extend to all research on gun violence prevention, and so has not funded any research on this subject since 1996.[21]

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11 minutes ago, ConservativeVoice said:

 

I think the POINT is that in the hands of a DERANGED and BRAIN WASHED person... ANYTHING can become a deadly weapon...

 

- Knives,

- Cars,

- Trucks,

- Bombs,

- Poisons,

 

... ANYTHING !!  AND since it is our society that is creating these monsters, who would USE these as weapons of mass destruction... FIXING our Society would seem MORE important than simply removing GUNS!! 

 

I would think that a "SMART" person like yourself, would have REALIZED that !!

 

OR, am I giving you TOO much credit ?

 

you give me way too much credit

i'm so smart and you are so stupid and stupid people do not know how stupid they are

Lone Star College Mass Stabbing: 6 Reasons Why Knives Are Not as Deadly as Guns

Do not get me wrong, of course knives are dangerous. But the danger of a knife in the hands of a trained professional, when compared to a novice shooter with a firearm, barely equates. Furthermore, the nature of a firearm is vastly different from that of a knife. Here are the six major reasons why knives are nothing like firearms and why the connections drawn between these two weapons ultimately fail.

1. Skill Required for Successful Operation: The skill required to slash and hack through a crowd of people is nowhere near the relative ease of doing so with a firearm. The number of people stabbed in attacks like these are usually quite similar in quantity to that of a magazine. Frankly, it takes a lot less time to shoot someone than it does to stab them. In fact, multiple targets could be struck multiple times before the first few targets are even stabbed. Aiming into a crowd and pulling a trigger takes significantly less energy than running, confronting, and engaging individual targets with a knife. Furthermore, those who go on a shooting rampage quickly rack up a higher casualty and fatality count than those who go on a knife attack.

2. Range of Motion: The amount of force that accompanies the strike of a blade directly relates to the amount of damage it is capable of producing. If the arm used to swing the knife is immobilized or restrained, it merely becomes a potential hazard. However, with a firearms and the magic of gunpowder, anything in front of the bullet is fair game for a target.

3. A Knife Does Not Know Its Master: A sharp blade does not discriminate. The risk for the attacker to sustain incidental injuries from their own weapon grows exponentially when switching from a firearm to a knife. It is easier to disarm a person with a knife than it is to disarm a shooter. A few people could mob a restrain a person with a knife, whereas this feat is not so easy when a person has a firearm. In fact, this knife attack ended when the assailant was confronted and then restrained by a group of students.

4. Distance and Range of Possible Targets: The target of a knife attack has to be relatively close, at least within an arm's length, and at maximum a few lunging steps. Yes the attacker could try throwing knives, but then they are left defenseless when they have expended the few knives they had. That is to say they even landed a hit on their target, instead of what would likely happen, either missing on not making solid contact, leaving just a pissed-off target with your knife. Now, in terms of firearms, distance is really no issue. Some rifles are capable of kilometer or more distances, while handguns are practically perfect for hitting targets in a close quarters environment. After all, that is part of their respective purposes.

5. Purpose in Design: The knife has potentially limitless applicability in daily life, whereas the same cannot be said for a firearm. A doctor's scalpel, box cutter, or pocketknives have more purposes than a firearm. Make no mistake; either in terms of hunting or self-defense, guns are designed to kill. Marksmanship, collectors, and sport shooting are certainly other purposes, but that's where the utilitarian versatility of a firearm ends. Also, these traits are shared with knives, which again, only scratches the surface of their potential uses.

6. Just Look at History: War technology has always been about killing the enemy more effectively than they can kill you. The introduction of gunpowder into the battlefields of the world demonstrates this fatal and paramount difference. Everybody knows how it turns out for those who bring a knife to a gunfight. This is why early settlers of the Americas were able to wipe out the indigenous populations, tomahawks and bows and arrows stood no match to even the most primitive of firearms. Even as firearms technology advanced, the introduction of the machine gun again proved how new generations of firearms are ultimately more devastating in their effect.

Should people be free to own both firearms and knives in the United States? Yes. But the inherent danger attached to firearms, when used purposely for malice, outweigh any comparable effect that a knife may offer. I almost always have my pocketknife with me. I can use it as a screwdriver, to open boxes, and nearly any possibility I can imagine. Guns are not capable of achieving this universal utility. That is why the potential owners of firearms must face a higher level of scrutiny when attempting to own one. A weapon is not just a weapon; firearms are special. The Founding Fathers certainly knew this and that is why firearms got their own amendment. The point of this article is not that firearms do not serve enough of a purpose to justify lawful ownership, nor is it a critique on why people wish to own firearms in the first place. Rather, this outlines why knives have nothing compared to firearms when used in a rampage.

 

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1 hour ago, BatteryPowered said:

I don't know of anyone who has said knives are as dangerous as guns.  However, the UK is having a crisis related to the use of knives (and other sharp objects).  According to the BBC, there were 43,516 crimes involving the use of a knife for the 12 months ending March 2019.  FYI, that is 119.2 PER DAY.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

 

There were 285 fatal stabbings for the 12 months ending March 2018...the most since they began keeping records in 1946.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47156957

 

Point is...if someone is hell bent on killing someone, they will find a way.

 

 

I don't know any gun nutter who has not said, "what next?  will you ban knives?" 

 

If a person is bent on killing themselves, a knife is an unlikely weapon.

Guns violence far exceeds knife violence; knives have utility in our daily world.  Guns do NOT.

 

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1 hour ago, NeoConvict said:

Trucks and bombs are more deadly than guns. Poison could kill thousands with far less effort. We need to stop focusing on the tools and look for ways to discourage the tool user.

 

No.  WE need to control the objects they use in their violent rampages.

Fighting mental illness cases in court is not effective. 

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Just now, Scout said:

 

No.  WE need to control the objects they use in their violent rampages.

Fighting mental illness cases in court is not effective. 

The 2nd Amendment says you can't you fukking kunt whore.

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2 hours ago, guilluamezenz said:

i've studied this guns are made to kill thats why soldiers and cops use them and not knives or cars right? nothing is more deadly than a gun studies show this 80% of homicides are committed with guns in the USA 

 

Somehow I don't think you've "studied" much of anything... Soldiers and the police CARE who they kill... but these scumbags DON'T !!  You see Trucks and Cars being used more and more by TERRORISTS to carry out mass killings... can these scumbags be far behind? 

 

I think the ONE reason guns are the weapon of choice in many cases, is that these people have been "affected" by violent on line GAMES... id you ever notice that the games our kids play today, look a LOT like the mass murder scenes that you are so SURE is STRICTLY gun related?  I wonder if the NEXT generation of violent games would use cars and trucks... or  poisons, or ANFO bombs... if the use of GUNS would plummet, while the murder rate would RISE?

 

I think you have a LOT more to "study"... because you have NO IDEA what is really causing these killings, or WHY... YOU just want to blame EVERYTHING of "guns", because your Liberal puppet masters TELL you to !

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 a 33 year old Latino male just went on a rampage today in LA and killed 4 people with a knife and Gravely wounded two others... it is a proven fact more people die by knives in this country by far than they do by a gun.

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20 hours ago, Giujo said:

 a 33 year old Latino male just went on a rampage today in LA and killed 4 people with a knife and Gravely wounded two others... it is a proven fact more people die by knives in this country by far than they do by a gun.

Wrong again, stiletto breath. 

Which weapon is predominantly used in murder cases?

In the United States, handguns are predominantly used in murder cases, with 7,032 cases in 2017 alone. This is followed by firearms (type not stated) and knives or cutting instruments with 3,096 and 1,591 cases respectively in 2017.                                                        

 

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2 minutes ago, Scout said:

Wrong again, stiletto breath. 

Which weapon is predominantly used in murder cases?

In the United States, handguns are predominantly used in murder cases, with 7,032 cases in 2017 alone. This is followed by firearms (type not stated) and knives or cutting instruments with 3,096 and 1,591 cases respectively in 2017.                                                        

 

LMFAO those numbers are taken from big liberal run cities where gangs are living!!!!

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