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We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

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15 hours ago, merrill said:

 

According to a Kaiser poll 81% of Democrats favor "Medicare for all," single-payer healthcare, along with 60% of Independents and almost a third of Republicans. And for good reason: virtually every country in the developed world provides better access.

 

How would IMPROVED Medicare Insurance For All help?

 

IMPROVED Medicare For All Insurance establishes an American-styled national health insurance program. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care program that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories.

 

The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans, guaranteed by law, will have access to the highest quality and cost effective health care services regardless of ones employment, income, or health care status.

 

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We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan. 

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL. 

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

 

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1 minute ago, merrill said:

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan. 

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL. 

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

 

SAD THE GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING MONEY ON HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGALS

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FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

 

Consider that the federal government spends more than $3.5 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which would likely cover all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. Administrative costs drop 30% under Medicare for ALL.

 

=== Cost of care drops considerably when:

 

1,000 CEO's and their gold parachutes are eliminated 

 

8 lobbyists per elected official are eliminated

 

Special Interest campaign contributions are eliminated

 

Health Care is eliminated from Wall Street Gambling Casino's 

 

When all that are receiving care will be paying for their services instead of health care getting billed to those who enjoy being able to afford the price gouging by the industry.

 

Immediately when  Medicare Care Insurance For ALL becomes effective all involved in whatever health care service is provided get paid = no more bill collectors and no more bankruptcies due to medical bills.

 

=== One result:

 

All will have more expendable income the day Medicare For All Insurance becomes reality ----- anything wrong with that?  Of course not.

 

 

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What do you say about the government spending money on illegals?

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21 hours ago, merrill said:

FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

 

Consider that the federal government spends more than $3.5 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which would likely cover all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. Administrative costs drop 30% under Medicare for ALL.

 

=== Cost of care drops considerably when:

 

1,000 CEO's and their gold parachutes are eliminated 

 

8 lobbyists per elected official are eliminated

 

Special Interest campaign contributions are eliminated

 

Health Care is eliminated from Wall Street Gambling Casino's 

 

When all that are receiving care will be paying for their services instead of health care getting billed to those who enjoy being able to afford the price gouging by the industry.

 

Immediately when  Medicare Care Insurance For ALL becomes effective all involved in whatever health care service is provided get paid = no more bill collectors and no more bankruptcies due to medical bills.

 

=== One result:

 

All will have more expendable income the day Medicare For All Insurance becomes reality ----- anything wrong with that?  Of course not.

 

 

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 I say the above .....

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BIGGEST LIE of the day. 

 

There have NEVER been in instance in history of increasing demand for an economic commodity and the price actually go down....Not to mention there is much talk about cutting payments to providers which discourages supply.....

 

Lefties are literally economically illiterate and IGNORANT on the horrible inefficiency of government bureaucracy in the U.S. 

 

Medicare has 42 million people and loses 60 BILLION annually in fraud. That's MORE than ALL the profit from every major private health insurer combined servicing many times what Medicare services.

 

You people are MORONS. 

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41 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

BIGGEST LIE of the day. 

 

There have NEVER been in instance in history of increasing demand for an economic commodity and the price actually go down....Not to mention there is much talk about cutting payments to providers which discourages supply.....

 

Lefties are literally economically illiterate and IGNORANT on the horrible inefficiency of government bureaucracy in the U.S. 

 

Medicare has 42 million people and loses 60 BILLION annually in fraud. That's MORE than ALL the profit from every major private health insurer combined servicing many times what Medicare services.

 

You people are MORONS. 

 

 

Medicare does not have 60 Billion annual in fraud.

 

You are lying again.

 

Also, your argument on health care is just the Republican argument that those that can't afford it should do without.

 

There aren't enough psycopaths to pass your health care bill, remember?

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1 minute ago, WillFranklin said:

 

 

Medicare does not have 60 Billion annual in fraud.

 

You are lying again.

 

Also, your argument on health care is just the Republican argument that those that can't afford it should do without.

 

There aren't enough psycopaths to pass your health care bill, remember?

liberal run states and cities rape Medicare 

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On 8/21/2019 at 9:10 AM, merrill said:

FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

 

Consider that the federal government spends more than $3.5 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which would likely cover all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. Administrative costs drop 30% under Medicare for ALL.

 

=== Cost of care drops considerably when:

 

1,000 CEO's and their gold parachutes are eliminated 

 

8 lobbyists per elected official are eliminated

 

Special Interest campaign contributions are eliminated

 

Health Care is eliminated from Wall Street Gambling Casino's 

 

When all that are receiving care will be paying for their services instead of health care getting billed to those who enjoy being able to afford the price gouging by the industry.

 

Immediately when  Medicare Care Insurance For ALL becomes effective all involved in whatever health care service is provided get paid = no more bill collectors and no more bankruptcies due to medical bills.

 

=== One result:

 

All will have more expendable income the day Medicare For All Insurance becomes reality ----- anything wrong with that?  Of course not.

 

You  honestly believe a single payer system would abolish private sector insurance companies and health companies?  Serious question, do you actually believe that?

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8 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

 

 

Medicare does not have 60 Billion annual in fraud.

 

You are lying again.

 

Also, your argument on health care is just the Republican argument that those that can't afford it should do without.

 

There aren't enough psycopaths to pass your health care bill, remember?

Willie thinks 60 billion in LOSSES doesn't include what's recovered even though the LEFT LEANING source specifically used LOSS and no mention of recovery. 

 

YOU are the LIAR, willie.

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Just now, DeepBreath said:

Willie thinks 60 billion in LOSSES doesn't include what's recovered even though the LEFT LEANING source specifically used LOSS and no mention of recovery. 

 

YOU are the LIAR, willie.

 

So you want to lie and call it all "fraud" ...

 

The government says the total was for everything including the biggest factor which was improper payments.

 

Those are recovered in an ongoing process.

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1 minute ago, WillFranklin said:

 

So you want to lie and call it all "fraud" ...

 

The government says the total was for everything including the biggest factor which was improper payments.

 

Those are recovered in an ongoing process.

Take it up with ABC investigative news, DUMBASS.

 

60 billion in LOSSES.....Do you know what LOSS means, DUMBASS?

 

Why did they never mentioned recovered money???? Because it was already included in the loss, DUMBASS.

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Just now, DeepBreath said:

Take it up with ABC investigative news, DUMBASS.

 

60 billion in LOSSES.....Do you know what LOSS means, DUMBASS?

 

Why did they never mentioned recovered money???? Because it was already included in the loss, DUMBASS.

 

I always get my numbers from the government and Mother Government says there were 52 Billion in improper payments in 2017. They also say they have an ongoing process of recovering those payments.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

That's why you go there instead of ABC News.

 

Now go to ABC News for your story. (Lazy Ass, I will pull it for you again.)

 

They say that fraud plus improper payments plus this other stuff all together equals 60 Billion dollars.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/medicare-funds-totaling-60-billion-improperly-paid-report/story?id=32604330

 

The report says that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the federal agency that administers Medicare, estimates that last year some $60 billion of American taxpayer money, or more than 10 percent of Medicare’s total budget, was lost to fraud, waste, abuse and improper payments.

 

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2 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

I always get my numbers from the government and Mother Government says there were 52 Billion in improper payments in 2017. They also say they have an ongoing process of recovering those payments.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

That's why you go there instead of ABC News.

 

Now go to ABC News for your story. (Lazy Ass, I will pull it for you again.)

 

They say that fraud plus improper payments plus this other stuff all together equals 60 Billion dollars.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/medicare-funds-totaling-60-billion-improperly-paid-report/story?id=32604330

 

The report says that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the federal agency that administers Medicare, estimates that last year some $60 billion of American taxpayer money, or more than 10 percent of Medicare’s total budget, was lost to fraud, waste, abuse and improper payments.

 

Your link tell us they haven't even scratched the surface of fraud and that it will continue to RISE as SPENDING RISES.

 

How much will it be with everyone on Medicare willie>???????? half a trillion a year? More.

 

DUMBASSES. 

 

If willie only understood what LOSS means. 

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Just now, DeepBreath said:

Your link tell us they haven't even scratched the surface of fraud and that it will continue to RISE as SPENDING RISES.

 

How much will it be with everyone on Medicare willie>???????? half a trillion a year? More.

 

DUMBASSES. 

 

Fraud is a small part of the 60 Billion. Did you catch that?

 

If not you better read again.

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1 minute ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Fraud is a small part of the 60 Billion. Did you catch that?

 

If not you better read again.

60 BILLION IN LOSSES. 60 BILLION IN LOSSES.

 

Your other link shows the government is barely scratching the surface on fraud.......READ your own links you MORON.

 

Private insurance is WAY MORE efficient than the government, DUH. 

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Just now, DeepBreath said:

60 BILLION IN LOSSES. 60 BILLION IN LOSSES.

 

Your other link shows the government is barely scratching the surface on fraud.......READ your own links you MORON.

 

Private insurance is WAY MORE efficient than the government, DUH. 

 

Most of those losses are recovered in an ongoing billing correction process known as improper payment recovery.

 

I have done it myself.


We corrected improper payments no matter how long ago they were made.

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5 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Most of those losses are recovered in an ongoing billing correction process known as improper payment recovery.

 

I have done it myself.


We corrected improper payments no matter how long ago they were made.

No, they aren't willie. 60 BILLION in losses. They mentioned ZERO about recovery.

 

2. YOUR OWN LINK shows the government KNOWS FRAUD is a HUGE problem so now they are training people on how to detect it you MORON.....😂

 

As I said.....the government has no incentive to detect fraud. It's not their money. They gain NOTHING from discovering it. 

 

I bet half of what they pay is fraudulent.....

 

Private enterprise actually keeps costs down because if they don't? Their competitors will TAKE their business.....

 

The government will NEVER be even close to the live of efficiency a private business has.

 

You WILL NEVER acknowledge that because you MORONS think "profit" is BAAAAAAADDDDDD.....🤣

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2 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

No, they aren't willie. 60 BILLION in losses. They mentioned ZERO about recovery.

 

2. YOUR OWN LINK shows the government KNOWS FRAUD is a HUGE problem so now they are training people on how to detect it you MORON.....😂

 

As I said.....the government has no incentive to detect fraud. It's not their money. They gain NOTHING from discovering it. 

 

I bet half of what they pay is fraudulent.....

 

Private enterprise actually keeps costs down because if they don't? Their competitors will TAKE their business.....

 

The government will NEVER be even close to the live of efficiency a private business has.

 

You WILL NEVER acknowledge that because you MORONS think "profit" is BAAAAAAADDDDDD.....🤣

 

The government does mention the improper payment recovery process, and I have been a part of it.

 

https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/cms-achieved-improper-payment-rate-reductions-medicare-fee-service-ffs-medicare-part-c-medicare-part

 

Your lies have reached an end.

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Look at what other nations  pay per capita on healthcare with their higher life expectancy.

 

Our should be no higher than that.

 

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50 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

Apparently much of these are in the category of improper payments the cumulative amount of those improper payments is 89 Billion dollars for Medicaid and Medicare. The recovery process is ongoing.

 

https://healthpayerintelligence.com/news/senators-stop-89b-in-medicare-medicaid-improper-payments

 

What is the solution?

I have a proposal.

The Dems have 175 million people.  Why can't they just section off?  And have their own H/care plan? 

For the Dems......paid for by the Dems?  And just leave GOP taxpayer money out of the equation.

Who is familiar w/ Medi-Share?  Christians sharings their med-bills  The Dems can do the same......or better.  

Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

 

Why force you neighbor to play a game.....that he does not want to play?          

I am a Libertarian.   I believe in freedom for all.         😎

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Just now, Taipan said:

 

What is the solution?

I have a proposal.

The Dems have 175 million people.  Why can't they just section off?  And have their own H/care plan? 

For the Dems......paid for by the Dems?  And just leave GOP taxpayer money out of the equation.

Who is familiar w/ Medi-Share?  Christians sharings their med-bills  The Dems can do the same......or better.  

Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

 

Why force you neighbor to play a game.....that he does not want to play?          

I am a Libertarian.   I believe in freedom for all.         😎

 

You want the rights that come with freedom but none of the responsibilities.

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3 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

You want the rights that come with freedom but none of the responsibilities.

Willie thinks the price of freedom is paying for OTHER people's healthcare because they're too lazy to pay for it themselves. 😂

 

BTW, some projections are as high as 70 trillion over 10 years. 

 

Handing ALL healthcare over to the government would be a catastrophe. Especially when you add in the millions of Americans out of work by elimination of private insurance. 

 

Fortunately, smarter heads will prevail. Medicare for all isn't going to happen, willie. 

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