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We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

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1 hour ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Then what was paying my temp job paycheck during my summer that year if it wasn't Improper Payment recovery?

 

That's what teachers have to do.

😂Willie is a telemarketer. 🤣

 

Careful you don't exceed your SSDI income requirements willie. 

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3 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

😂Willie is a telemarketer. 🤣

 

Careful you don't exceed your SSDI income requirements willie. 

 

You have a reading comprehension problem.

 

Like most teachers, I worked a summer temp job long ago, and that is official government business, not telemarketing.

 

You didn't even know there was Improper Payment recovery because you are a nurse's assistant.

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3 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

You have a reading comprehension problem.

 

Like most teachers, I worked a summer temp job long ago, and that is official government business, not telemarketing.

 

You didn't even know there was Improper Payment recovery because you are a nurse's assistant.

Uh huh. Medicare=60 billion in fraud annually, willie. 

 

Your program is breaking the bank by hundreds of billions annually and you MORONS want to turn all healthcare administration over to the government because you allow proven false ideology dictate your talking points instead of critical thinking. 

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4 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

Uh huh. Medicare=60 billion in fraud annually, willie. 

 

Your program is breaking the bank by hundreds of billions annually and you MORONS want to turn all healthcare administration over to the government because you allow proven false ideology dictate your talking points instead of critical thinking. 

 

Repeating your lie does not make it true.

 

There was 52 Billion in "Improper Payments" in FY 2017. There was also tons of Improper Payment recovery that year. 

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On 8/8/2019 at 4:01 AM, merrill said:

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

 

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According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

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3 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Repeating your lie does not make it true.

 

There was 52 Billion in "Improper Payments" in FY 2017. There was also tons of Improper Payment recovery that year. 

FRAUD willie, not improper payments. 

 

 

Willie doesn't understand the government doesn't have any incentive to stop fraud.

 

Private industry does. That's why health  insurance corporations are better suited and cheaper, more efficient to administration healthcare. 

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Just now, merrill said:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

Except its not more efficient or cheaper. Those are bald faced LIES. 

 

We KNOW why this is important. Because Medicare is bankrupt and you idiots need full control of healthcare to hide it's gross fraud and mismanagement. 

 

Medicare FAILED YOU. Just ask the couple that just committed suicide over medical bills. 

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3 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

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I estimate our tax liability going up $6-10k a year.

 

I will absolutely vote against it!

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8 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

FRAUD willie, not improper payments. 

 

 

Willie doesn't understand the government doesn't have any incentive to stop fraud.

 

Private industry does. That's why health  insurance corporations are better suited and cheaper, more efficient to administration healthcare. 

 

The government itself says it is improper payments, not necessarily fraud.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

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Medicare improper payments were estimated to be about $52 billion in fiscal year 2017.

 

I told you I worked recovering that type of payment myself as a temp job one summer.

 

Her is Medicare themselves talking about recovery:

 

https://www.gao.gov/highrisk/medicare_program/why_did_study#t=2

 

You are a habitual liar.

 

Post a source that says it is strictly fraud.

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Holy shi- medicare is helping everyone as we speak which is why it is difficult to makes sense as to why conservative corruption GOP lovers want to pay more for example if the following were removed = better grab your wallets:

 

Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies.

 

Why would anyone want this on their tabs?

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10 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

FRAUD willie, not improper payments. 

 

 

Willie doesn't understand the government doesn't have any incentive to stop fraud.

 

Private industry does. That's why health  insurance corporations are better suited and cheaper, more efficient to administration healthcare. 

 

it's private industry committing the fraud. Individual consumers have no way to commit the fraud for one the private industry "paper work" is barely comprehensible. The Sen Bill Frist family made billions off of medicare fraud. Once the Frist family got a slap on the wrist by way of the GW bush admin Sen Bill Frist left the senate.

 

Not only that the insurance industry only pays 60% of invoice or less.

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42 minutes ago, merrill said:

it's private industry committing the fraud.

 

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) rely on private sector companies to administer those programs.   Your broad-brushing of private industry as fraudsters essentially makes government co-conspirators in that fraud.  That does not reflect well on any proposed reform expanding government provision for health care.  In other words, you would do more to support MFA by remaining completely silent, compared to what you're saying, which only weakens the case for it.

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eliminating the private insurance industry would do wonders for consumers because that would eliminate a huge block of fraud against consumers .....

 

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

 

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Sen. Jay Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

 

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

 

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

 

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

 

More on this story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

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And what about the millions of hospital employees who cannot afford the insurance premiums hospitals offer up?

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2 hours ago, merrill said:

And what about the millions of hospital employees who cannot afford the insurance premiums hospitals offer up?

 

You mean the HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES that have their HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS paid for them by the HOSPITALS that EMPLOY THEM as part of their BENEFIT PACKAGE???

 

Those HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES that don't pay ONE RED CENT for their HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM???

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2 hours ago, merrill said:

And what about the millions of hospital employees who cannot afford the insurance premiums hospitals offer up?

 

I don't know any hospitals workers that get their insurance paid for......... 

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eliminating the private insurance industry would do wonders for consumers because that would eliminate a huge block of fraud against consumers .....

 

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

 

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Sen. Jay Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

 

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

 

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

 

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

 

More on this story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

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10 minutes ago, merrill said:

eliminating the private insurance industry would do wonders for consumers because that would eliminate a huge block of fraud against consumers .....

 

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

 

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Sen. Jay Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

 

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

 

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

 

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

 

More on this story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

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Why can't the Dems have their own insurance company?

And just leave the taxpayer out of the equation?

Why the can't the Dems prove that socialism can work...…..in their own space...….on their own time...….with their own money?

 

One simple reason.  Socialism does  not work.  If you don't believe me...……...then just ask Ayn Rand.                      😎

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17 minutes ago, merrill said:

eliminating the private insurance industry would do wonders for consumers because that would eliminate a huge block of fraud against consumers ..

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oh , so you're saying there is no  fraud in Obamacare right?

 

18 minutes ago, merrill said:

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

 

 

18 minutes ago, merrill said:

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

 

Isnt government policies to blame for that? democrats, republicans, both are to blame

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

 

The government itself says it is improper payments, not necessarily fraud.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

 

I told you I worked recovering that type of payment myself as a temp job one summer.

 

Her is Medicare themselves talking about recovery:

 

https://www.gao.gov/highrisk/medicare_program/why_did_study#t=2

 

You are a habitual liar.

 

Post a source that says it is strictly fraud.

Listen, LIAR. ABC did an investigation and  gave a conservative estimate of 60 billion in FRAUD. 

 

I'm sure its much higher as there's no incentive for government to investigate fraud. 

 

Poor willie......That's $1400 per person on Medicare and if we gave everyone Medicare, close to half a trillion in fraud annually.

 

Not to mention the rampant ER abuse we see with Medicaid. 

 

Idiotic retards complain about deductibles but they keep people from abusing the system like millions of Medicaid recipients do with their 

 

FREE HEALTHCARE OTHER CITIZENS LIKE ME A FORCED TO PAY FOR, MOOCH. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

Listen, LIAR. ABC did an investigation and  gave a conservative estimate of 60 billion in FRAUD. 

 

 

 

Let's see it.

 

The government itself says 52 billion in improper payments in FY 2017. Those are recovered.

 

Your ABC report says the total of everything is 60 Billion, not just the fraud, liar.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/medicare-funds-totaling-60-billion-improperly-paid-report/story?id=32604330

 

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The report says that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the federal agency that administers Medicare, estimates that last year some $60 billion of American taxpayer money, or more than 10 percent of Medicare’s total budget, was lost to fraud, waste, abuse and improper payments.

 

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6 hours ago, merrill said:

 

it's private industry committing the fraud. Individual consumers have no way to commit the fraud for one the private industry "paper work" is barely comprehensible. The Sen Bill Frist family made billions off of medicare fraud. Once the Frist family got a slap on the wrist by way of the GW bush admin Sen Bill Frist left the senate.

 

Not only that the insurance industry only pays 60% of invoice or less.

Medicare and medicaid are easy pickings for fraud because there's no incentive for the government to even look. 

 

Poor idiotic Merrill thinks that'll stop even though ALL your care is supplied by private providers. 🤣

 

Merrill wants to give trillions to hospitals and private providers including half a trillion in fraud!!!!!!

 

Why? Because she's not paying. Neither is willie. It's EASY to see who the welfare tit suckers are. 

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6 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Let's see it.

 

The government itself says 52 billion in improper payments in FY 2017. Those are recovered.

 

Your ABC report says the total of everything is 60 Billion, not just the fraud, liar.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/medicare-funds-totaling-60-billion-improperly-paid-report/story?id=32604330

 

 

FRAUD, WASTE and improper payments, DUMBASS. 

 

You DEFEATED your own argument that fraud and improper payments were the same thing, you idiot....😂

 

 

LOST willie...LOST doesn't mean recovered you MORON. 

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