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We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

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FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively aka bringing OUR tax dollars home.

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Consider that the federal government spends more than $3.5 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which would likely cover all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. Administrative costs drop 30% under Medicare for ALL.

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You’re an idiot. You think a service that people currently pay into their entire lives before being able to draw from, and is currently roughly 200 billion short a year, is somehow going to magically save money by being offered to everyone? 

 

😂

 

Theres plenty of estimates of cost. Most between an estimated 28 trillion and 32 trillion( over 10 years)dependent on whether further cuts are made to providers. 

 

2. There is literally no example in history of an economic commodity being cheaper by raising demand and/or decreasing supply.

 

Not one example.... 😂

 

This idiot OP is your typical economically illiterate lefty. 

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On 8/8/2019 at 4:13 AM, DeepBreath said:

 A 30% reduction in admin cost is definitely realistic once we cut off several hundred CEO' and BOD's then again the profiteers will always lie of health insurance for ALL .

 

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing.

 

 

FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and

preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively.

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3 hours ago, merrill said:

 A 30% reduction in admin cost is definitely realistic once we cut off several hundred CEO' and BOD's then again the profiteers will always lie of health insurance for ALL .

 

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing.

 

 

FYI:

According to HR 676 Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and

preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively.

Yes. That’s why new estimates are upwards of 70 trillion total added costs and no.... you aren’t giving everyone all the healthcare they need and want, no deductibles and saving money. 😂

 

I’d say it’ll cost 100 trillion by adding access to more people who will abuse the system like Medicaid recipients do now. Not to mention overburdening an already overburdened system which of course will, you guessed it!!!! Drive up costs. 

 

And no.... Medicare already loses 60 billion annually in fraud and would be close to half a trillion annually with everyone one Medicare....

 

Pipe dream, idiot. 

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On 8/8/2019 at 3:01 AM, merrill said:

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

It wasn't conservatives that calculated the pricetag, dumbass.   It was the leftwing Urban Institute.

And that $32 Trillion, is in ADDITION to what is spent now, not saving anything. 

 

Last month in North Carolina, Democratic State Representative Verla Insko moved to kill her own pro-single-payer bill. An assessment from the state legislature's Fiscal Research Division pegged the cost of single-payer at $70 billion, $42 billion of which would have to come from the state. That latter figure is almost twice the state budget.

 

The Civitas Institute, a free-market think tank in North Carolina, estimated that implementing single-payer would cost a whopping $101 billion just in year one.

 

 

Last year, California State Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon, a Democrat, pulled the plug on single-payer legislation passed by the state Senate after deeming it "woefully incomplete." Even that was an understatement -- the bill was silent on how it would raise the $400 billion needed to fund single-payer each year.

 

In 2014 in Vermont, then-Gov. Peter Shumlin -- a long-time single-payer advocate -- gave up on a single-payer plan after he learned it would cost $4.3 billion annually. That amount was equivalent to 88% of the entire state budget. He reluctantly concluded that the proposed funding mechanism for single-payer -- a 12.5% state payroll tax and a sliding-scale individual tax of up to 9.5% of income "might hurt our economy."

 

Even Sen. Bernie Sanders, America's foremost proponent of single-payer, admitted in June that "there will be pain" if the nation adopts the government-run system he favors. The plan he touted on the presidential campaign trail in 2016 would have cost $1.4 trillion per year, according to his own estimates. To pay for it, he called for a new 2.2% income tax, a 6.2 tax on employers, and higher taxes on the wealthy.

 

An independent analysis of Sanders's plan conducted by the left-leaning Urban Institute estimated that it would cost $32 trillion over 10 years.

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55 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

 

And no.... Medicare already loses 60 billion annually in fraud and would be close to half a trillion annually with everyone one Medicare....

 

Medicare reportedly had about 52 Billion in improper payments in FY 2017, nowhere near all of it is fraud. Those improper payments are resolved, often because the bill should have been paid by another party, or was already properly paid by another party.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

Have you analyzed the sources that produce the information that you twist?

 

Let's see your source for "Medicare Fraud" numbers.....

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On 8/8/2019 at 5:01 AM, merrill said:

We hear primarily from conservatives that Health Insurance for ALL will cost $30 trillion ..... this is over a ten year period. As of this moment the gov't spends more than this over a ten year period. Health insurance for all will instead save A FEW trillion over a ten year period.

 

In addition to special interest campaign money a lot of elected officials are invested in the insurance industry. This is why the USA is not getting the Medicare Insurance For ALL Plan.

 

Medicare for ALL will not be the same as Medicare as we speak however the existing Medicare provides a working template thus saves bundles and bundles of money. There is no deductible or co pays under Medicare for ALL.

 

Medicare for ALL is excellent use of tax dollars and the icing on the cake is these tax dollars come back to we taxpayers in our communities to pay our medical bills. Not only that when people change jobs, get laid off, get fired or whatever they still have health care services = health care providers keep getting paid...... what's wrong with this? Nothing

 

 

Here's the deal, merrill.

 

The current private system is designed to charge us as much as possible in premiums and copays while denying us as much life-saving coverage as they can get away with. The money goes to corporate profits, and executives. Removing profit from the equation is a big part of the savings. Another part of the savings comes from the end of the seams in our current system which has so many different providers.

 

We all know that the big losers if we have Universal Care are the insurance company executives and management. The grunts will find better jobs.

 

The winners are the ones that Republicans want to suffer- the poor, elderly, and disabled. I can prove this. It's in Trump's 2020 budget to make them suffer more, so the wealthy can take more. It's on page 42:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/budget-fy2020.pdf

 

 

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First, the Budget continues to support a two-part approach, starting with enactment of legislation modeled after the Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson bill proposed in September 2017, followed by enactment of additional reforms to help set Government healthcare spending on a sustainable fiscal path that leads to higher value spending. Beginning in 2021, the Market-Based Health Care Grant Program, the Medicaid block grant, and the per capita cap program are set to grow at the Consumer Price Index.

 

Since when does the price of health care grow as slowly as the Consumer Price Index?

 

The Republican health care "plan" is for those that can't afford it to do without. Luckily we found out in 2018 there are not enough psychopaths to go along with the Republicans.

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27 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Medicare reportedly had about 52 Billion in improper payments in FY 2017, nowhere near all of it is fraud.

So you're defense of waste is incompetence?

 

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1 minute ago, Golfboy said:

So you're defense of waste is incompetence?

 

 

No it's the seams in the multi-provider system, much of it.

 

That would disappear in Universal Care.

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1 minute ago, WillFranklin said:

 

No it's the seams in the multi-provider system, much of it.

 

That would disappear in Universal Care.

lol, sure it would.  

Why has every state that attempted UHC, run away?

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Just now, Golfboy said:

lol, sure it would.  

Why has every state that attempted UHC, run away?

 

19 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

 

Here's the deal, merrill.

 

The current private system is designed to charge us as much as possible in premiums and copays while denying us as much life-saving coverage as they can get away with. The money goes to corporate profits, and executives. Removing profit from the equation is a big part of the savings. Another part of the savings comes from the end of the seams in our current system which has so many different providers.

 

We all know that the big losers if we have Universal Care are the insurance company executives and management. The grunts will find better jobs.

 

The winners are the ones that Republicans want to suffer- the poor, elderly, and disabled. I can prove this. It's in Trump's 2020 budget to make them suffer more, so the wealthy can take more. It's on page 42:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/budget-fy2020.pdf

 

"First, the Budget continues to support a two-part approach, starting with enactment of legislation modeled after the Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson bill proposed in September 2017, followed by enactment of additional reforms to help set Government healthcare spending on a sustainable fiscal path that leads to higher value spending. Beginning in 2021, the Market-Based Health Care Grant Program, the Medicaid block grant, and the per capita cap program are set to grow at the Consumer Price Index."

 

Since when does the price of health care grow as slowly as the Consumer Price Index?

 

The Republican health care "plan" is for those that can't afford it to do without. Luckily we found out in 2018 there are not enough psychopaths to go along with the Republicans.

 

 

When you can explain the money like I did there, then I will say you are keeping up. Right now you aren't

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1 minute ago, WillFranklin said:

When you can explain the money like I did there, then I will say you are keeping up. Right now you aren't

All you're doing is arguing for unlimited spending. 

 

It wasn't conservatives that calculated the pricetag, dumbass.   It was the leftwing Urban Institute.

And that $32 Trillion, is in ADDITION to what is spent now, not saving anything. 

 

Last month in North Carolina, Democratic State Representative Verla Insko moved to kill her own pro-single-payer bill. An assessment from the state legislature's Fiscal Research Division pegged the cost of single-payer at $70 billion, $42 billion of which would have to come from the state. That latter figure is almost twice the state budget.

 

The Civitas Institute, a free-market think tank in North Carolina, estimated that implementing single-payer would cost a whopping $101 billion just in year one.

 

 

Last year, California State Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon, a Democrat, pulled the plug on single-payer legislation passed by the state Senate after deeming it "woefully incomplete." Even that was an understatement -- the bill was silent on how it would raise the $400 billion needed to fund single-payer each year.

 

In 2014 in Vermont, then-Gov. Peter Shumlin -- a long-time single-payer advocate -- gave up on a single-payer plan after he learned it would cost $4.3 billion annually. That amount was equivalent to 88% of the entire state budget. He reluctantly concluded that the proposed funding mechanism for single-payer -- a 12.5% state payroll tax and a sliding-scale individual tax of up to 9.5% of income "might hurt our economy."

 

Even Sen. Bernie Sanders, America's foremost proponent of single-payer, admitted in June that "there will be pain" if the nation adopts the government-run system he favors. The plan he touted on the presidential campaign trail in 2016 would have cost $1.4 trillion per year, according to his own estimates. To pay for it, he called for a new 2.2% income tax, a 6.2 tax on employers, and higher taxes on the wealthy.

 

An independent analysis of Sanders's plan conducted by the left-leaning Urban Institute estimated that it would cost $32 trillion over 10 years.

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5 minutes ago, Golfboy said:

All you're doing is arguing for unlimited spending. 

...

Even Sen. Bernie Sanders, America's foremost proponent of single-payer, admitted in June that "there will be pain" if the nation adopts the government-run system he favors. The plan he touted on the presidential campaign trail in 2016 would have cost $1.4 trillion per year, according to his own estimates. To pay for it, he called for a new 2.2% income tax, a 6.2 tax on employers, and higher taxes on the wealthy.

 

 

So how is that not saving us money overall? We spend far more on health care with our current system. which lines the pockets of the executives and shareholders of insurance companies, as well as we pay tons of administrative costs for a mutli-provider mixed system.

 

Sure it's more in taxes. But it's the ones who can afford to pay it. And they get their health coverage for it in the process along with everyone else. In fact most everyone would pay a little more in taxes, but less overall because they get health insurance.

 

I already said there aren't enough psycopaths to support the Republican plan which is for those that can't afford health care to do without.

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1 hour ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Medicare reportedly had about 52 Billion in improper payments in FY 2017, nowhere near all of it is fraud. Those improper payments are resolved, often because the bill should have been paid by another party, or was already properly paid by another party.

 

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-660T

 

Have you analyzed the sources that produce the information that you twist?

 

Let's see your source for "Medicare Fraud" numbers.....

😂You’re a bald faced liar and you don’t trust CBS? 😂https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-fraud-a-60-billion-crime-23-10-2009/

 

Literally over 10% of overall costs of Medicare gone in fraud and you want of turn all health care administration to the government???

 

Yep. Because you aren’t paying willie. You’re a welfare monkey. 

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6 hours ago, DeepBreath said:

😂You’re a bald faced liar and you don’t trust CBS? 😂https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-fraud-a-60-billion-crime-23-10-2009/

 

Literally over 10% of overall costs of Medicare gone in fraud and you want of turn all health care administration to the government???

 

Yep. Because you aren’t paying willie. You’re a welfare monkey. 

 

The government link is what I go by, not a news outlet.

 

It's improper payments. Those are rectified.

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2 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

The government link is what I go by, not a news outlet.

 

It's improper payments. Those are rectified.

The improper payments are going to the care of illegals you dumbass.

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5 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

 

The government link is what I go by, not a news outlet.

 

It's improper payments. Those are rectified.

😂Willie thinks LOSING 60 billion annually in fraud means they actually get it back. 🤣

 

But then again willie thinks paying local sales tax means you pay net income taxes while getting tens of thousands in UNEARNED welfare entitlements. 

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8 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

😂Willie thinks LOSING 60 billion annually in fraud means they actually get it back. 🤣

 

But then again willie thinks paying local sales tax means you pay net income taxes while getting tens of thousands in UNEARNED welfare entitlements. 

 

Improper Payment recovery is a billions of dollars "industry" ... BadBreath...

 

I know from working a temp job in third party recovery for Medicaid that most of the recovery there was not from fraud.

 

We have a multi-provider system with seams.

 

You are a idiot grunt that just hates your job in one of the areas of it.

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Just now, WillFranklin said:

 

Improper Payment recovery is a billions of dollar "industry" ... BadBreath...

 

I know from working a temp job in third party recovery for Medicaid that most of the recovery there was not from fraud.

 

We have a multi-provider system with seams.

 

You are a idiot grunt that just hates your job in one of the areas of it.

Poor willie. Beaten senseless and too stupid to realize it.

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3 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

Poor willie. Beaten senseless and too stupid to realize it.

 

Then what was paying my temp job paycheck during my summer that year if it wasn't Improper Payment recovery?

 

That's what teachers have to do.

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HEY SCHITSTAINS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL $3.2 TRILLION over the ALREADY nearly $4 TRILLION in SPENDING???

 

Oh, that's right, YOU HAVE TO TAX EVERYONE AT A 48-50% STARTING TAX RATE!!!

 

Go sell THAT to the AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!


ROFLMAO!!!!

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