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Democratic Debates Round 1

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The debates start tonight at 9:00 PM Eastern. No doubt, NHB will be inundated by predictable right wing one liners about socialism and Cherokee Indians. I’ll be curious what liberals have to say in a more constructive environment. Hopefully others is the LO room are anticipating these debates as much as me.

 

I’ll be watching on MSNBC. Cord cutters can livestream for free at NBCNews.com and MSNBC.com. It appears that numerous other outlets will embed the free YouTube livestream. 

 

 

 

 

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I'm so glad you put this thread in the LO area, Olivaw!  :D  Looking forward to the debate this evening.  

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Thanks RR.

 

Finally, it’s time. Have been looking forward to this all day. 

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This debate is fantastic. It’s spirited but not nasty. These are serious candidates. 

 

Random thoughts, the way I see it so far. 

- great job by the moderators

- Lizzie Warren was impressive on healthcare.

- Julián Castro’s touching words about the father and daughter who died on the Rio Grande were powerful. He really took the lead on the immigration issue. 

- is it just me or is Beto struggling?

- Tulsi Gabbard would bounce Trump’s rotund arse around a debate stage. She’s very strong on foreign policy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The debate is excellent!  Here are my observations:

 

Liz Warren = Solid on every question.  Assertive, confident, and obviously well prepared.

 

Cory Booker = Why is this guy polling so low?  He's excellent.

 

Julian Castro = As you said, Olivaw, Castro's words about the father and daughter were moving.  He's very strong on immigration.  He's bright and very likable.  

 

Beto O'Rourke = He does seem to be struggling.   

 

I agree about Tulsi, too.  She's VERY strong on foreign policy.  

 

The first hour was a bit more reserved.  The second hour seems to be getting feistier.  :D  I'll check back in later..

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More Random thought. So glad to see RollingRock posting here too. Agree with everything said. 😀

 

Warren, Castro, Booker and Gabbard are doing exceptionally well. Beto appears to be getting back on track.

 

Good debate about dealing with the turtle’s obstructionism. 

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I think Tim Ryan is making a mistake arguing with Tulsi Gabbard about keeping troops in Afghanistan.

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I think so too. Gabbard is incredibly strong on Afghanistan. 

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1 minute ago, Olivaw said:

I think so too. Gabbard is incredibly strong on Afghanistan. 

She is indeed.  She'd make an excellent Secretary of State as well.  A veteran who makes peace a priority.  I like that.

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Chris Matthews is saying that de Blasio punched above his weight tonight. I didn’t see it. Warren, Gabbard, Booker and Castro seemed stronger to me.

 

Love the closing statements, particularly the notion that Democrats can go on the offensive. For too long, Republicans have dominated the debate with lies and fear mongering.  Time to go toe to toe with them and seize the narrative. Make it about real issues, not nonsense. Democrats always win on the issues.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Chris Matthews is saying that de Blasio punched above his weight tonight. I didn’t see it. Warren, Gabbard, Booker and Castro seemed stronger to me.

I thought de Blasio came across as a bit obnoxious, honestly.  He irritated me a bit.  I agree on your top four.

6 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Love the closing statements, particularly the notion that Democrats can go on the offensive. For too long, Republicans have dominated the debate with lies and fear monger Inc.  Time to go toe to toe with them and seize the narrative. Make it issues, not nonsense. Democrats win on the issues.

Absolutely.  Democrats NEED to go on the offensive.  Controlling the narrative is key.  I'm optimistic.  Tomorrow night should be interesting as well.

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Castro was excellent talking about his single mother and paying rent and worrying about the rent first of the month.

 

They were talking about equal pay for women.

 

My mother worked from the time I was an infant so it touched my heart.

 

Elizabeth Warren was excellent talking about heath care as a right.

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Agree with all of the above posts....

 

The candidates did a great job, under the circumstances..

IMHO, Warren did the best job, by answering questions with detailed answers about her policy proposals. She did not evade the questions.

I was underwhelmed by Beto's speech-like responses, and equivocations. Some of the other candidate also were guilty of evasion, but he seemed to make a habit of it.

DeBlasio did come across as arrogant, as Bludog mentioned.

Gabbard gave a surprisingly coherent performance.

 

I do have some critical thoughts about the format, however:

 

  • First, this was not really a 'debate', in the formal sense. It was really like an interview with multiple commentators, with multiple candidates. Each question was directed at a specific candidate, rather than asking every candidate the same exact question. This made it difficult to compare the candidates answers to specific questions.
  • The MSNBC hosts, for the most part seemed more interested in asking clever questions, than allowing the candidates to present their positions / viewpoints to the viewing audience. i had a real problem with some of the hosts taking two minutes to cleverly ask a single question, then telling the candidate 'you have 30 seconds to answer'. Some  complex issues cannot be answered in a sound bite. There should have been a 15 second time limit on asking a question, like 'What is your position on ...(healthcare, foreign policy, immigration, income inequality, gun control, etc.)'.
  • At times, the questions intentionally baited the candidates into the realm of 'Identity Politics'. This elicited answers directed at specific groups of people (women, hispanics, african-americans, etc). IMHO, this is divisive, and bordered on pandering.
  • Chuck Todd.........probably the worst 'debate' moderator I have ever seen in recent memory.

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14 hours ago, RollingRock said:

I think Tim Ryan is making a mistake arguing with Tulsi Gabbard about keeping troops in Afghanistan.

 

Gabbard won that exchange hands-down.  At the end of it, Gabbard had to correct Ryan that Al-Qaeda and not the Taliban were responsible for 9/11.  I was impressed by Gabbard's strong knowledge of foreign affairs and her views on judicious use of our military.   And although Warren and de Blasio were the only participants who were in favor of eliminating the insurance companies from healthcare, a position I support,  Gabbard's progressive views on the wealth gap resonated with me. 

 

Elizabeth Warren gave solid responses but faded a little in the second half.   Overall, I felt she emerged from the "debate" unscathed and still with an excellent chance to further improve her standing.  Warren is still my top pick.

 

Although I am mostly in agreement with Bill de Blasio's politics, I felt he didn't do himself any favor with his rude interruptions.

 

Amy Klobuchar put in a solid performance.  She is too moderate for me but I could still enthusiastically support her if she won the nomination.

 

Corey Booker demonstrated a deep understanding of the issues but I felt he was one-dimensional in his delivery ...  Performance counts too.  I agree with Castro on immigration but his concentration on that subject somewhat limited what the viewer was able to find out about the rest of his platform.

 

Further down on my list are Beto O'Rourke, Tim Ryan and especially, John Delaney ...  All too conservative.  I liked the progressive views of Jay Inslee but for a candidate who ostensibly puts Climate Change as his first issue, he ended up talking surprisingly little about it.

 

Disappointingly, Climate Change, surely the most staggering issue of our times, was given short shrift.  Climate Change is the biggest danger humankind faces, along with Nuclear Conflagration, mentioned only by Gabbard. 

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It is, in many ways a healthy phenomenon that the Democratic Party can boast twenty smart, knowledgeable and well-spoken contenders;  In stark contrast to the GOP. 

 

But hopefully, by July or September, enough of the weaker candidates will have dropped out of the race to allow all the contenders to appear on stage at once.  Ten candidates on one stage did not allow enough time for each to present more than an outline of their platforms.  But now, the same thing will happen with the other ten candidates.  And the first ten will probably be eclipsed in the news.  Very disjointing.

 

 

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On a lighter note, 

 

Cory Booker's side-eye gets the nod for most meme worthy moment. It don't think it will hurt Cory in any way.  

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4 hours ago, bludog said:

It is, in many ways a healthy phenomenon that the Democratic Party can boast twenty smart, knowledgeable and well-spoken contenders;  In stark contrast to the GOP. 

 

But hopefully, by July or September, enough of the weaker candidates will have dropped out of the race to allow all the contenders to appear on stage at once.  Ten candidates on one stage did not allow enough time for each to present more than an outline of their platforms.  But now, the same thing will happen with the other ten candidates.  And the first ten will probably be eclipsed in the news.  Very disjointing.

 

 

 

And we have racially and ethnically diverse candidates unlike the GOP. We even have Yang tonight. Castro last night. Blacks, whites, men, and women...and every combination of that as well.

 

By the time the herd thins candidates will have developed their best platforms. So then they will be worth hearing longer.

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I was only able to watch the first hour so far.  In order, thought Booker, Gabbard, Klobuchar, and maybe Delaney did well.  Blasio, O'Rourke, Inslee, and maybe Warren...less well.    I'm not really thinking about previous positions as I say that, just reacting to what I was feeling as they were talking, based on what they said in the debate. 

 

The only 'format' comment I have is a suggestion that they have a separate debate in Spanish instead of mixing it back and forth.  

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