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How in the hell does this not violate the separation of church and state? I demand that the Catholic Church be taxed. They are engaging in politics. I hope they are taxed into oblivion. They have crossed the line. Plus, this is just bad policy. It demands that every elected official follow the tenants of their personal religious beliefs over the consensus of the diverse people they represent. That bishop should stick to what he knows: molesting children.

 

 

These lawmakers supported abortion rights. A bishop barred them from Communion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/these-lawmakers-supported-abortion-rights-a-bishop-barred-them-from-communion/ar-AACP03z?ocid=spartanntp

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John Cullerton grew up in the church.

Long before the Illinois Democrat became one of the most powerful politicians in the state, before his party picked him to be president of the Senate, he attended Catholic school. A lot of it. Grammar school, high school, college, law school. Then he sent his children to Catholic school, all five of them. He’s from a devout family, and raised his own to be the same, he said.

 But if he were to attend Mass — which he does every week — in the Illinois capital, maybe before a Senate session one morning, he’d be left out of the most important part of the service: Holy Communion. 

Last week, an Illinois bishop issued a decree directed at Cullerton, his counterpart in the House and a host of other Catholic lawmakers, ordering them not to receive the sacred sacrament after supporting abortion rights legislation that the governor signed into law on Wednesday. The bishop’s strongly worded statement challenged the politicians to square their public policy positions with their professed faith, an issue that has proved particularly thorny for Catholic Democrats, whether they’re running for city council or president of the United States.

“It’s very, very tricky,” Cullerton said in an interview with The Washington Post. “We don’t codify the Catholic Church’s positions. You have your beliefs that are taught by the church, and it’s in your mind, but your role as a legislator is a little different.” 

But Diocese of Springfield Bishop Thomas Paprocki voiced his emphatic disagreement in his directive, citing canon law and writing that supporting legislation that “treats babies in the womb like property, allowing for their destruction for any reason at any time, is evil.”

If Cullerton, House Speaker Michael Madigan or any other Catholic lawmaker who supported the measure want to receive Communion again, Paprocki said, they’d need to confess, repent and display “a public conversion of life.”

 

 

 

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Seems like a highway to hell...for a church.  Yes, they should clearly, obviously, blatantly, be paying taxes.

 

Then again, the whole goddamned rotten institution should be facing RICO charges for organized pedophilia.  Forget taxes:  the entire institution, all their real estate, everything, confiscated and their entire organization on trial for running child sexual abuse rings for decades.  Lots of people belong in a pit dug somewhere underneath the prison.

 

And now they want to try to throw their weight around, directly, on the political stage while they're at it?  So they can keep passing kids around?  So they can continue to run their lies at people, telling them not to have sex with contraceptives, and ALSO not to have abortions, all so they can keep their numbers up, keep the cash rolling in.

 

Fvck them all straight to hell.

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35 minutes ago, drvoke said:

 

 

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How in the hell does this not violate the separation of church and state? I demand that the Catholic Church be taxed. They are engaging in politics. I hope they are taxed into oblivion. They have crossed the line. Plus, this is just bad policy. It demands that every elected official follow the tenants of their personal religious beliefs over the consensus of the diverse people they represent. That bishop should stick to what he knows: molesting children.

 

 

 

You really cannot be that stupid...it is impossible.

 

The leadership of the Catholic Church has every right to do this.  If the lawmakers don't like it, they can either change their position or find another denomination.  FYI...the Bishop's decree is only applicable in his jurisdictional area...only the Pope can make in enforceable denomination wide.

 

 

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I see nothing wrong with this.  First of all, if these lawmakers want to take Communion, they can - no one will stop them; it will simply be against the Church's order directing them not to do this.  The Catholic Church doesn't have to perform homosexual weddings and doesn't have to approve of Baby-Murderer Law Makers taking Communion.

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2 hours ago, splunch said:

Seems like a highway to hell...for a church.  Yes, they should clearly, obviously, blatantly, be paying taxes.

 

Then again, the whole goddamned rotten institution should be facing RICO charges for organized pedophilia.  Forget taxes:  the entire institution, all their real estate, everything, confiscated and their entire organization on trial for running child sexual abuse rings for decades.  Lots of people belong in a pit dug somewhere underneath the prison.

 

And now they want to try to throw their weight around, directly, on the political stage while they're at it?  So they can keep passing kids around?  So they can continue to run their lies at people, telling them not to have sex with contraceptives, and ALSO not to have abortions, all so they can keep their numbers up, keep the cash rolling in.

 

Fvck them all straight to hell.

How many Catholics are there on this Earth?  1 billion?

If they unite with all the Protestants---and all the Christians stand together and speak in one voice---then they

will have serious, serious power the ballot box.

Wouldn't this be a wonderful, wonderful thing? 

Would that make the Angels smile?     😇

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32 minutes ago, Skans said:

I see nothing wrong with this.  First of all, if these lawmakers want to take Communion, they can - no one will stop them; it will simply be against the Church's order directing them not to do this.  The Catholic Church doesn't have to perform homosexual weddings and doesn't have to approve of Baby-Murderer Law Makers taking Communion.

True.  But they should be answering for running a racket enabling priests to molest little boys for at least decades.  

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4 minutes ago, splunch said:

True.  But they should be answering for running a racket enabling priests to molest little boys for at least decades.  

Same for public schools, same for daycare. Same for any occupation or vocation involving access to children. They attract pedophiles like flies to a turd. Punishing the predators is the answer, not scrapping the institutions.

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2 hours ago, drvoke said:

 

 

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How in the hell does this not violate the separation of church and state?

 

 Is it the separation of the church from the state or the separation from the state from the church that you are unhappy about?

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7 minutes ago, splunch said:

True.  But they should be answering for running a racket enabling priests to molest little boys for at least decades.  

Completely different issue, and on that matter, I 100% agree with you.  In fact, I not only think that priests should be permitted to marry, I think there should be a preference that they be in heterosexual marriages before they are even permitted to work directly with children.

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Those lawmakers are welcome to take Communion at my (Protestant) Church, and doubtless at thousands of others throughout the state. 

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9 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

Same for public schools, same for daycare. Same for any occupation or vocation involving access to children. They attract pedophiles like flies to a turd. Punishing the predators is the answer, not scrapping the institutions.

Public schools do not have an organized hierarchy that has been enabling and hiding child molesters for decades.  The Catholic Church has a huge organization across state and national borders that they have deployed to hide and move around and enable child molesters.  RICO and they should burn in hell as soon as possible.  

 

If you want to prosecute somebody from a public school system somewhere for child molestation, you will also have my full support.  But that won't impact the Church one way or another.

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7 minutes ago, theLion said:

Those lawmakers are welcome to take Communion at my (Protestant) Church, and doubtless at thousands of others throughout the state. 

Or they could just worship God on their own without some snake oil salesman pulling money out of them and using it to run international child sex rings.  

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1 minute ago, splunch said:

Public schools do not have an organized hierarchy that has been enabling and hiding child molesters for decades.  The Catholic Church has a huge organization across state and national borders that they have deployed to hide and move around and enable child molesters.  RICO and they should burn in hell as soon as possible.  

 

The teachers union shelters teachers accused of crimes. Had been known to relocate teachers who have issues, including accusations of sexual misconduct. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, splunch said:

Public schools do not have an organized hierarchy that has been enabling and hiding child molesters for decades.  The Catholic Church has a huge organization across state and national borders that they have deployed to hide and move around and enable child molesters.  RICO and they should burn in hell as soon as possible.  

 

If you want to prosecute somebody from a public school system somewhere for child molestation, you will also have my full support.  But that won't impact the Church one way or another.

Public schools have an organized hierarchy that have been and continue to enable and hide child mind-molesters for decades.  The offending culprits are protected within the NEA.

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3 hours ago, drvoke said:

 

 

Image result for These lawmakers supported abortion rights. A bishop barred them from Communion.

 

 

 

How in the hell does this not violate the separation of church and state? I demand that the Catholic Church be taxed. They are engaging in politics. I hope they are taxed into oblivion. They have crossed the line. Plus, this is just bad policy. It demands that every elected official follow the tenants of their personal religious beliefs over the consensus of the diverse people they represent. That bishop should stick to what he knows: molesting children.

 

 

These lawmakers supported abortion rights. A bishop barred them from Communion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/these-lawmakers-supported-abortion-rights-a-bishop-barred-them-from-communion/ar-AACP03z?ocid=spartanntp

(Full article at above link)

 

 

John Cullerton grew up in the church.

Long before the Illinois Democrat became one of the most powerful politicians in the state, before his party picked him to be president of the Senate, he attended Catholic school. A lot of it. Grammar school, high school, college, law school. Then he sent his children to Catholic school, all five of them. He’s from a devout family, and raised his own to be the same, he said.

 But if he were to attend Mass — which he does every week — in the Illinois capital, maybe before a Senate session one morning, he’d be left out of the most important part of the service: Holy Communion. 

Last week, an Illinois bishop issued a decree directed at Cullerton, his counterpart in the House and a host of other Catholic lawmakers, ordering them not to receive the sacred sacrament after supporting abortion rights legislation that the governor signed into law on Wednesday. The bishop’s strongly worded statement challenged the politicians to square their public policy positions with their professed faith, an issue that has proved particularly thorny for Catholic Democrats, whether they’re running for city council or president of the United States.

“It’s very, very tricky,” Cullerton said in an interview with The Washington Post. “We don’t codify the Catholic Church’s positions. You have your beliefs that are taught by the church, and it’s in your mind, but your role as a legislator is a little different.” 

But Diocese of Springfield Bishop Thomas Paprocki voiced his emphatic disagreement in his directive, citing canon law and writing that supporting legislation that “treats babies in the womb like property, allowing for their destruction for any reason at any time, is evil.”

If Cullerton, House Speaker Michael Madigan or any other Catholic lawmaker who supported the measure want to receive Communion again, Paprocki said, they’d need to confess, repent and display “a public conversion of life.”

 

 

 

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Most Catholic churches don't give communion to those who are not confirmed into the church. This is a tradition going back before the founding of this country. I don't agree with this bishop but why do churches need to be taxed  because of this? Oh that's right, the left wants to control churches, just as they want to control everything. 

 

Screw you and your never ending desire to tax churches. AntiAmerican buttmonkey.

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7 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

The teachers union shelters teachers accused of crimes. Had been known to relocate teachers who have issues, including accusations of sexual misconduct. 

 

Well, highly convincing Illuminati videos aside, no, teachers' unions are not the Catholic Church.  Everybody knows it.  The Catholic Church ran a child sex ring in Pittsburgh for decades.

 

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It is highly unlikely that the abuses within the Catholic Church and conspiracies of silence about them are confined to Pennsylvania.

Philadelphia — “Horseplay,” a term used to denote child rape, is, says Pennsylvania attorney general Josh Shapiro, part of a sinister glossary of euphemisms by which the Catholic Church’s bureaucracy obfuscates in documents the Church’s “pattern of abuse” and conspiracy of silence “that goes all the way to the Vatican.” “Benevolent bishops” are those who allow predatory priests, shuffled from other dioceses, to continue as priests.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/catholic-church-sexual-abuse-crisis-pittsburgh-grand-jury-report/

 

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...the still-reverberating detonation occurred last August in a Pittsburgh grand jury’s report on the sexual abuse by approximately 300 priests of at least 1,000 victims in six Pennsylvania dioceses.

 

That's right:  THREE HUNDRED priests.  And ONE THOUSAND VICTIMS.  Those are just the ones we know about.  Similarly horrifying scenarios playing out around the world.  

 

Are you serious?  Are you really going to rise to the defense of CHILD MOLESTERS???!!!

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7 minutes ago, Skans said:

Public schools have an organized hierarchy that have been and continue to enable and hide child mind-molesters for decades.  The offending culprits are protected within the NEA.

Thousands of children molested and raped by priests around the country and the world.  You'd rather we not look at that, and attempt to turn the discussion to some bullsh!t argument, some false equivalence between CHILD MOLESTERS and schools?

 

Really?

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27 minutes ago, theLion said:

Those lawmakers are welcome to take Communion at my (Protestant) Church, and doubtless at thousands of others throughout the state. 

If your girlfriend is 8.5mos. pregnant and decides that raising that baby will be "inconvenient".....

will you agree with her decision to abort? 

If 85% of Christians say that is decision 100% wrong, will you stand "in unison",

with your Christian brothers?      😇

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15 minutes ago, Taipan said:

If your girlfriend is 8.5mos. pregnant and decides that raising that baby will be "inconvenient".....

will you agree with her decision to abort? 

If 85% of Christians say that is decision 100% wrong, will you stand "in unison",

with your Christian brothers?      😇

If your 9-year-old child says a potty word and you don't like it, will you support your wife's decision to kill it, as you're always saying you would?  Your side is always supporting killing children, and child molestation while you're at it.  Let's hear your defense for those positions of your side?

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1 hour ago, Skans said:

I see nothing wrong with this.  First of all, if these lawmakers want to take Communion, they can - no one will stop them; it will simply be against the Church's order directing them not to do this.  The Catholic Church doesn't have to perform homosexual weddings and doesn't have to approve of Baby-Murderer Law Makers taking Communion.

 

 

Not yet they don't.

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58 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

Same for public schools, same for daycare. Same for any occupation or vocation involving access to children. They attract pedophiles like flies to a turd. Punishing the predators is the answer, not scrapping the institutions.

 

That is certainly a measured and mature attitude. I don't like it one bit.

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1 minute ago, drvoke said:

 

That is certainly a measured and mature attitude. I don't like it one bit.

The Catholic Church has set up a system to hide and enable these child molesters.  The system is the problem.  The system is the criminal.

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56 minutes ago, rightturnsonly said:

 Is it the separation of the church from the state or the separation from the state from the church that you are unhappy about?

 

I'm fine with both coexisting, but they should not intermingle. In order to represent a diverse constituency, an individual's personal religion should not enter into policymaking. That is a separate issue than values. The withholding of a sacrament is putting pressure on a politician in a very specific religious way. If you start crossing that boundary, you are playing politics and should forfeit your tax-exempt status. 

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