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50 years from now the far-right will be claiming that Trump was a liberal. LOL.

 

Bill

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4 hours ago, benson13 said:

Let me help you with this....

 

 

The German People were the most educated people on the planet..and still are....

 

 

They created the most sophisticated aircraft, and rockets.....they were lovers of art and science.....

 

 

The Nazi party like the American gop led the world in propaganda and manipulation of the citizenry

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This thread falls flat when you realize that Hitler and the Nazis wanted a return to how life used to be and not progress/equality/etc. If you read Mein Kempf and Zweites Buch, it is quite clear that Hitler despised this idea that humans are equal in any way. 

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15 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

50 years from now the far-right will be claiming that Trump was a liberal. LOL.

 

Bill

He is the most liberal Republican to ever serve. If he had a D in front of his name many liberals here would be singing his praises and it would be the Republicans screaming for impeachment. 

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5 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

He is the most liberal Republican to ever serve. If he had a D in front of his name many liberals here would be singing his praises and it would be the Republicans screaming for impeachment. 

 

LOL. Starting already.

 

Bill

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Just now, SpyCar said:

 

LOL. Starting already.

 

Bill

Come now, he is a life long supporter of Democrat politicians and causes. Serial adulterer, had years of chatting with Howard Stern, Elton John sung at his wedding. If it wasn't for the birther stuff and new found opposition to abortion he would be a liberal. He wants universal healthcare. He wants to get the USA out of middle eastern conflicts. He wants billions for infrastructure. He is working on prison and sentencing reform. Liberal. You are missing a golden opportunity, a liberal president supported by conservatives.

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40 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

This thread falls flat when you realize that Hitler and the Nazis wanted a return to how life used to be and not progress/equality/etc. If you read Mein Kempf and Zweites Buch, it is quite clear that Hitler despised this idea that humans are equal in any way. 

 

yeppers 👍

 

The truth be told Hitler wasn’t a traditional socialist, at least not by the definition of socialism defined by his fellow German  Marx and Engels, or Charles Fourier and other leading socialists of the day.


What the evidence has shown us is Hitler talked about socialism but it more lip service, as he was interested in only a few things, German superiority, eliminating the German people’s enemy(The Jews, Poles/slavs ) and a totalitarian regime with him as the leader and to create the perfect German Nazi society .
 

how is that exactly right wing?

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55 minutes ago, benson13 said:

I think that Nazi regime was unique in world history in that it unlike any other regime before and after had two faces: it externally pretended to be a left-center force, a left-centrist socialist pro-workers, progressive, industrialist, anti-monarchist, anti-religious, pro-women rights, pro-animal rights, anti-capitalist, anti-colonialist party. But in reality it turned out that Nazism was actually far more right than any monarchists, Russian "black-hundreds" and conservatives were before. It was hiding its ultra-right face for a while to achieve popular support.

 

This duality led to many mistakes by individuals and politicians who made deals with Nazi party and Nazi Germany. German Cristians thought they are dealing with a centrist patriotic party when voting for enabling act. Vatican thought Hitler is quite like Mussolini: a moderately conservative centrist. Stalin thought he was dealing with a left-center party of small bourgeoisie. Ethnic minorities also thought Nazis are pro-national self-determination and cultural autonomy.

 

Many Jews saw that Nazis for a first time in 2000 years allowed Jews to have their own police, ambulance service, postal service, orphanages, and even telephone stations. They did not knew the orphanages and hospitals were designed to quickly separate those unable to work. Nobody could imagine Nazis will kill people in new shining uniforms they just designed for Jewish police (no other regime gives a forage cap with a badge to a condemned enemy).

 

Many Russians and Ukrainians believed Germans will build a moderate form of Socialism without collectivization and other excesses of Soviet Union.

 

Many Germans believed that Nazis really protect animal rights for ethical reasons, not just to make a ban on Jewish meat.

 

In reality it turned out that even conservative clergymen looked like Bolshevicks compared to Nazis.

 

This masquerade became possible because Hitler departed from earlier tradition typical for ultra-right, volkishe movements. Initially he was even criticized from the far-right positions for even use of the word "party" instead of traditional for the right-wing "league" "movement" or "union". But Hitler was smarter.

 

He abandoned monarchism in favor of unrestricted ultimate dictatorship. He pursued clergy because they were too left for him and Christian principles were too egalitarian and not enough anti-Semitic, although historically religious Christians were the most anti-Semitic group. He denounced aristocracy and social estates in favor of eugenics. He denounced right-wing to promote ultra-right instead.

so would you like to plagiarize this whole conversation from this 2013 discussion? or do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?

 

 https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/319/was-hitlers-regime-a-right-wing-regime

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31 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

yeppers 👍

 

The truth be told Hitler wasn’t a traditional socialist, at least not by the definition of socialism defined by his fellow German  Marx and Engels, or Charles Fourier and other leading socialists of the day.


What the evidence has shown us is Hitler talked about socialism but it more lip service, as he was interested in only a few things, German superiority, eliminating the German people’s enemy(The Jews, Poles/slavs ) and a totalitarian regime with him as the leader and to create the perfect German Nazi society .
 

how is that exactly right wing?

Truth be told, comparing Hitler/nazis to modern day america is a bit of apples to oranges. I would say that it is Conservative to be beholden to the past and tradition but his view of that does not line up with that of American Conservatives.

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1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Truth be told, comparing Hitler/nazis to modern day america is a bit of apples to oranges. I would say that it is Conservative to be beholden to the past and tradition but his view of that does not line up with that of American Conservatives.

 

exactly 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Truth be told, comparing Hitler/nazis to modern day america is a bit of apples to oranges. I would say that it is Conservative to be beholden to the past and tradition but his view of that does not line up with that of American Conservatives.

 

Correct. Trump is more of a nationalist-fascist that is typical among American conservatives currently. There was a large segment of America Firsters in the 1930s and "Know-Nothings" in the 1850s who were proto-Trumpists.

 

His is a curious mix of nationalism and isolationism. Not a unique phenomenon in American history, but still an odd ideology.

 

Bill

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6 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

Correct. Trump is more of a nationalist-fascist that is typical among American conservatives currently. There was a large segment of America Firsters in the 1930s and "Know-Nothings" in the 1850s who were proto-Trumpists.

 

His is a curious mix of nationalism and isolationism. Not a unique phenomenon in American history, but still an odd ideology.

 

Bill

he's more of a "populist" than anything. this position isn't necessarily adherent specifically to a right wing or left wing ideology. 

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Just now, lewstherin said:

he's more of a "populist" than anything. this position isn't necessarily adherent specifically to a right wing or left wing ideology. 

 

Trump is definitely a populist. He's a rightwing populist. Populism is the ugliest and most bloodsoaked political position in the history of human civilization in both its rightwing and leftwing variants.

 

Populism is a pox on humanity.

 

Bill

 

 

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Just now, SpyCar said:

Trump is definitely a populist. He's a rightwing populist.

 

 

Trump is the  most  liberal  Republican  president  in American   history.

 

THE

MOST  

LIBERAL

 

 

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Just now, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Trump is the  most  liberal  Republican  president  in American   history.

 

THE

MOST  

LIBERAL

 

 

 

LOL. A sure pal.

 

I knew you all would try to blame Trump on us. I didn't realize it would happen so soon.

 

Too funny!

 

Bill

 

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2 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

Trump is definitely a populist. He's a rightwing populist. Populism is the ugliest and most bloodsoaked political position in the history of human civilization in both its rightwing and leftwing variants.

 

Populism is a pox on humanity.

 

Bill

 

 

the man who wishes and works to appeal to the ordinary working people over the elitists is a pox on humanity? interesting.

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2 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

LOL. A sure pal.

 

I knew you all would try to blame Trump on us. I didn't realize it would happen so soon.

 

 

I am  not blaming  Trump on  you.   You are a leftist,  you are no  actual  liberal.

 

You are the  problem.

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6 minutes ago, lewstherin said:

the man who wishes and works to appeal to the ordinary working people over the elitists is a pox on humanity? interesting.

 

 

Leftists are liars.   They  lie to themselves even, as they  have no self respect.

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https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-History/dp/1451651686/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3IIHH9DVMJ6ZP&keywords=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+third+reich+by+william+l.+shirer&qid=1558375077&s=gateway&sprefix=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+third%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-1

 

Along with Mein Kempf and Zweites Buch are recommended. admitted, they are long and difficult reads but they shine a light on the true Hitler/Nazis which were obsessed with race and revenge. 

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4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-History/dp/1451651686/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3IIHH9DVMJ6ZP&keywords=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+third+reich+by+william+l.+shirer&qid=1558375077&s=gateway&sprefix=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+third%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-1

 

Along with Mein Kempf and Zweites Buch are recommended. admitted, they are long and difficult reads but they shine a light on the true Hitler/Nazis which were obsessed with race and revenge. 

all revolutions are based on revenge.

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Just now, lewstherin said:

all revolutions are based on revenge.

The point is that those who are armchair experts claim that Hitler was passionate about economic theory.... he cared very little about it. It was only a propaganda tool. 

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7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The point is that those who are armchair experts claim that Hitler was passionate about economic theory.... he cared very little about it. It was only a propaganda tool. 

that's not exactly true. and i have read mein kampf and the nazi 25 point program and many other national socialist writings. 

so if yo've read mein kampf, then you know his hatred for jews was incidental to his time spent in vienna being forced to live in flop-houses

because the jews controlled the labor unions, making it nearly impossible to find work without him being extorted  and manipulated

into their communist mindset. did he hate jews? yes. but not until his experiences in vienna. and his anger towards them had its

foundation in economics.

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Just now, lewstherin said:

that's not exactly true. and i have read mein kampf and the nazi 25 point program and many other national socialist writings. 

so if yo've read mein kampf, then you know his hatred for jews was incidental to his time spent in vienna being forced to live in flop-houses

because the jews controlled the labor unions, making it nearly impossible to find work without him being extorted  and manipulated

into their communist mindset. did he hate jews? yes. but not until his experiences in vienna. and his anger was towards them had its

foundation in economics.

That's not my point. The assumption is that he had all these grand ideas about economic theory. He was not nearly that sophisticated. His hatred of Jews was the foundation of everything else. One could think of it as being the single point on the left of his decision tree. 

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38 minutes ago, lewstherin said:

the man who wishes and works to appeal to the ordinary working people over the elitists is a pox on humanity? interesting.

 

Every time. It is the classic tool of the demagogue to claim he (and only he) embodies the "will of the people."

 

Populism never turns out well.

 

Bill

 

 

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