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They rip us off and that is not in dispute. 

 

They pay peasant wages 

Steal our pattens and intellectual rights

Put tariffs on imports long before we did to them

 

Without tariffs or war how do we deal with that? 

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There is nothing that we can do about how much/how little they pay in wages. They do place a tariff on goods imported from the US. All of this boils down to elasticity. Who has more options? Answer, the US has greater number of options for their goods. If not China, some other nation will import them.

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Just look at the filth of large American cities.....the subways are SHIT...infrastructure is SHIT

 

China and Russia spend money on their big cities....infrastructure is more modern and their subways are beautiful

 

US would rather be fleeced by the FAGGOT WAR COMPLEX

 

 

 

 

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I have a Taiwanese friend who is married to a mainland Chinese woman from the city of Qingdao, a coastal city where Tsing Tao beer is brewed. His wife's parents are in their early eighties. They own their own apartment and retired at age FIFTY. His father in law was a mid-level office worker, his wife worked in a factory. They live on pension from the government. They had two children, both girls, the older one died of some inherited genetic ailment whose name I have forgotten. These old folks fly to Miami from China every year to be with the grandchildren. They pay all their own expenses. They were able to buy a two year old minivan for their daughter for cash.

So perhaps some Chinese workers make "peasant wages", but this is an example of two that do not. Neither of these people had a college education, neither of them was a Communist Party member.   Their story jibes with  stories that I have read about Americans and Canadians who traveled to China as teachers and wrote their observations.

 

The middle class of China is about as large as the entire population of the US, at around 300 million.

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15 minutes ago, kfools said:

They rip us off and that is not in dispute. 

 

They pay peasant wages 

Steal our pattens and intellectual rights

Put tariffs on imports long before we did to them

 

Without tariffs or war how do we deal with that? 

That is not the question: the question is how do we deal with that with tariffs?

The US could not feasibly invade China and take it over. Neither could China  invade the USand take it over. War would not be a solution, as both countries have nuclear weapons.

The US is an important market for Chinese goods, but the world has many, many other countries that could also be good markets for Chinese goods.

 

I think COOPERATION with the Chinese is the only real solution.

 

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Just now, XavierOnassis said:

That is not the question: the question is how do we deal with that with tariffs?

The US could not feasibly invade China and take it over. Neither could China  invade the USand take it over. War would not be a solution, as both countries have nuclear weapons.

The US is an important market for Chinese goods, but the world has many, many other countries that could also be good markets for Chinese goods.

 

I think COOPERATION with the Chinese is the only real solution.

 

So you are not anti tariff then? Trump is doing a good thing? 

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5 minutes ago, kfools said:

So you are not anti tariff then? Trump is doing a good thing? 

Perhaps some tariffs might be useful, but I really do not think that the Chinese are not going to stop reverse engineering products. US companies do this all the time.

Trump is a blowhard. He seems to be on some sort of ridiculous macho man kick. He clearly does not give a sh!t about US workers.

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Just now, XavierOnassis said:

Perhaps some tariffs might be useful, but I really do not think that the Chinese are not going to stop reverse engineering products. US companies do this all the time.

Trump is a blowhard. He seems to be on some sort of ridiculous macho man kick. He clearly does not give a sh!t about US workers.

So tariffs are good unless Trump is implementing them?  Then tariffs are bad? OR......what? 

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My only issue is that Trump and the media are blowing this out of proportion. View it in the macro and while there will be some short term pain, it is not going to cause any great recessions or have any earth shaking consequences. 

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Trump LYING about how the CHINESE are the ones paying the tariffs indicates that either Trump thinks Americans are stupid or he is very stupid. 

Watching Trump practice diplomacy and deal making is like watching  an epileptic attempt having a grand mal seizure play at being a pizza chef, flinging the dough up, up into the air and having it fall on his head, his feet, the floor over and over again as he flails about like one of those fan-driven flailing thingies used car dealers fancy.

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Just now, XavierOnassis said:

Trump LYING about how the CHINESE are the ones paying the tariffs indicates that either Trump thinks Americans are stupid or he is very stupid. 

Watching Trump practice diplomacy and deal making is like watching  an epileptic attempt having a grand mal seizure play at being a pizza chef, flinging the dough up, up into the air and having it fall on his head, his feet, the floor over and over again as he flails about like one of those fan-driven flailing thingies used car dealers fancy.

trump is doing an amazing job with the economy and actually subverting the feds......he is showing us we dont need the feds....

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23 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

My only issue is that Trump and the media are blowing this out of proportion. View it in the macro and while there will be some short term pain, it is not going to cause any great recessions or have any earth shaking consequences. 

No, 

 

There won't be. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

My only issue is that Trump and the media are blowing this out of proportion. View it in the macro and while there will be some short term pain, it is not going to cause any great recessions or have any earth shaking consequences. 

trump is controlling the economy through tariffs......he is a fu cking genius

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Just now, bigsky said:

trump is controlling the economy through tariffs......he is a fu cking genius

It is like watching some idiot make soup with a hammer.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

It is like watching some idiot make soup with a hammer.

lol...if you have a childs perspective of what he is doing...then maybe. 

1. what happens to the stock market when trump puts tariffs on china?

2. why havnt the feds raised interest rates?

3. how much money is borrowed for houses, boats, cars, and other things every day?

4. how much money is trump saving the Americans on their interest ever single day?

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Volatility in the Stock Market is not a good thing.

If you want to know why the federal reserve has not raised rates, ask them. Their increases are never more than a quarter of a percent.

Banks are charging over 12% for car loans, over 6% for most  home loans.

I don't think Trump is doing more than flailing about uselessly

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4 hours ago, XavierOnassis said:

invade the USand take it over. War would not be a solution, as both countries have nuclear weapons.

 

Here's the concern, XO.    The head of China’s Defense Department publicly stated that war with the US is “inevitable”.   And China certainly seems to be building up it’s military as if it believes that to be the case.  Across the board they have been modernizing and building up conventional forces.    And both it’s nuclear weapon and civil defense programs are huge.  It may already have built thousands of nuclear warheads (despite claims that it has only a few hundred). You might want to read this 2011 article on that topic:

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576639502894496030.html

 

That article notes that China had built about 3000 miles of nuclear hardened tunnels (and who knows how many bunkers), far beyond any need to make it's nuclear arsenal survivable against a first strike.   And we see only glimpses of what China has been preparing these past decades.    China's nuclear sheltering programs are considered by some to be more extensive than the Russian's, with shelters built under most of China's cities. Mao's guidance was "dig tunnels deep, store grain everywhere" and the Chinese seem to have taken that to heart, especially since 1969 when they and the USSR came close to nuclear war.  At that time they began a crash program to protect civilians in case of a nuclear war. And that program has continued to this day.   In fact, China now has THOUSANDS of underground bunkers and continues to build more.  Even China's air force has been moving underground (http://www.viewzone.com/chinabases/base1.html ).

 

To give you an idea of the scope of the civilian side of the Chinese underground sheltering program, the China Daily reported in 2012 that three new large civil defense shelters (each capable of holding over 8000 people) would be completed in Shanghai in 2012 and the Shanghai government noted there was nothing unusual about that and that that additional shelters were planned as part of a long-term civil defense plan. A 2006 SINA report stated that "Shanghai has completed the construction of a super underground bunker that can accommodate 200,000 people in emergency to evade blasts, poisonous gas emission and nuclear radiation, according to local experts. The bunker covers a total area of more than 90,000 square meters. It has 15 passages nearly 4,000 meters in length each to link the underground space with ground buildings and facilities, including office towers and residence departments, the Shanghai Morning Post reported on Saturday."
 
China's state run media reports that China had upgraded it's subway system in Beijing and revealed that its mass transit system (like the Russians) is hardened to withstand nuclear blasts and chemical gas attacks in a future war.  The Chinese told the author of a 1996 book on urban design ( https://books.google.com/books?id=daoCQs6hVGIC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=china+beijing+civil+defense+shelters&source=bl&ots=TWOxnVUDi2&sig=gYMOeZFUhgIwxtgMu_aiD5o_50o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XX-UVLzVBs72yQSq0oGgAw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=china beijing civil defense shelters&f=false ) that Beijing’s civil defense system is capable of accommodating 5 MILLION people in case of nuclear attack.     In short, China clearly has a hardened shelter program much like Russia's, whose only conceivable rationale would be a belief that the key elements of their society could survive a nuclear exchange and thus they might "win" a nuclear conflict.

 

In fact, a little thinning of China's population might be viewed as a good thing by their leadership. Ponder that scary thought, XO, the next time you think war unthinkable.
 
Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, told the Senate that China poses the most serious “mortal threat” to the United States among nation states. And defense officials have acknowledged that U.S. intelligence agencies have underestimated China's military capabilities and are expressing concerns about it's military buildup, which has been carried out largely in secret. Given America's long history of being responsible with it's military arsenal and not attacking countries like China when it could have, there is simply no reason on their part for such a buildup other than some contemplated offensive action against the US in the future. 
 
But, worse, China and Russia may be working together against us. That Chinese Defense Minister mentioned above met with Russia's leader Putin (who was a member of the KGB in the USSR) and the Russian Defense Minister to discuss how to expand Russian-Chinese military cooperation. If you look at the way Russia and China have behaved vis a vis the US and our other enemies (like Iraq, Syria and Iran) the last 10 years or so, you have to wonder if they've really given up notions of defeating the US and dominating the world. They might make the same miscalculation we feared the old Soviets would make by thinking a nuclear war is winnable and acting accordingly. They might view this as a zero sum game, where they could "win" the future as long as we were totally destroyed and they were not.
 
So, all and all, I think you might be wrong. at least from the Chinese prospective..

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8 hours ago, kfools said:

They rip us off and that is not in dispute. 

 

They pay peasant wages 

Steal our pattens and intellectual rights

Put tariffs on imports long before we did to them

 

Without tariffs or war how do we deal with that? 

no nation has come so far so fast, you day is done socialism will prevail, maybe not in its original form but i see that as a plus, if we were talking about communism i would be against it, china is soaring like and eagle, and we are sinking like the titanic

 

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3 hours ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Here's the concern, XO.    The head of China’s Defense Department publicly stated that war with the US is “inevitable”.   And China certainly seems to be building up it’s military as if it believes that to be the case.  Across the board they have been modernizing and building up conventional forces.    And both it’s nuclear weapon and civil defense programs are huge.  It may already have built thousands of nuclear warheads (despite claims that it has only a few hundred). You might want to read this 2011 article on that topic:

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576639502894496030.html

 

That article notes that China had built about 3000 miles of nuclear hardened tunnels (and who knows how many bunkers), far beyond any need to make it's nuclear arsenal survivable against a first strike.   And we see only glimpses of what China has been preparing these past decades.    China's nuclear sheltering programs are considered by some to be more extensive than the Russian's, with shelters built under most of China's cities. Mao's guidance was "dig tunnels deep, store grain everywhere" and the Chinese seem to have taken that to heart, especially since 1969 when they and the USSR came close to nuclear war.  At that time they began a crash program to protect civilians in case of a nuclear war. And that program has continued to this day.   In fact, China now has THOUSANDS of underground bunkers and continues to build more.  Even China's air force has been moving underground (http://www.viewzone.com/chinabases/base1.html ).

 

To give you an idea of the scope of the civilian side of the Chinese underground sheltering program, the China Daily reported in 2012 that three new large civil defense shelters (each capable of holding over 8000 people) would be completed in Shanghai in 2012 and the Shanghai government noted there was nothing unusual about that and that that additional shelters were planned as part of a long-term civil defense plan. A 2006 SINA report stated that "Shanghai has completed the construction of a super underground bunker that can accommodate 200,000 people in emergency to evade blasts, poisonous gas emission and nuclear radiation, according to local experts. The bunker covers a total area of more than 90,000 square meters. It has 15 passages nearly 4,000 meters in length each to link the underground space with ground buildings and facilities, including office towers and residence departments, the Shanghai Morning Post reported on Saturday."
 
China's state run media reports that China had upgraded it's subway system in Beijing and revealed that its mass transit system (like the Russians) is hardened to withstand nuclear blasts and chemical gas attacks in a future war.  The Chinese told the author of a 1996 book on urban design ( https://books.google.com/books?id=daoCQs6hVGIC&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=china+beijing+civil+defense+shelters&source=bl&ots=TWOxnVUDi2&sig=gYMOeZFUhgIwxtgMu_aiD5o_50o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XX-UVLzVBs72yQSq0oGgAw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=china beijing civil defense shelters&f=false ) that Beijing’s civil defense system is capable of accommodating 5 MILLION people in case of nuclear attack.     In short, China clearly has a hardened shelter program much like Russia's, whose only conceivable rationale would be a belief that the key elements of their society could survive a nuclear exchange and thus they might "win" a nuclear conflict.

 

In fact, a little thinning of China's population might be viewed as a good thing by their leadership. Ponder that scary thought, XO, the next time you think war unthinkable.
 
Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, told the Senate that China poses the most serious “mortal threat” to the United States among nation states. And defense officials have acknowledged that U.S. intelligence agencies have underestimated China's military capabilities and are expressing concerns about it's military buildup, which has been carried out largely in secret. Given America's long history of being responsible with it's military arsenal and not attacking countries like China when it could have, there is simply no reason on their part for such a buildup other than some contemplated offensive action against the US in the future. 
 
But, worse, China and Russia may be working together against us. That Chinese Defense Minister mentioned above met with Russia's leader Putin (who was a member of the KGB in the USSR) and the Russian Defense Minister to discuss how to expand Russian-Chinese military cooperation. If you look at the way Russia and China have behaved vis a vis the US and our other enemies (like Iraq, Syria and Iran) the last 10 years or so, you have to wonder if they've really given up notions of defeating the US and dominating the world. They might make the same miscalculation we feared the old Soviets would make by thinking a nuclear war is winnable and acting accordingly. They might view this as a zero sum game, where they could "win" the future as long as we were totally destroyed and they were not.
 
So, all and all, I think you might be wrong. at least from the Chinese prospective..

i hope to god they beat us if we go to war i am on their side.. i proudly state my intent to serve in the prolImage result for china army redetarian fifth column!

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1 minute ago, guilluamezenz said:

no nation has come so far so fast, you day is done socialism will prevail, maybe not in its original form but i see that as a plus, if we were talking about communism i would be against it, china is soaring like and eagle, and we are sinking like the titanic

 

Where are we sinking? 

 

We seem too be doing better than ever. 

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Just now, kfools said:

Where are we sinking? 

 

We seem too be doing better than ever. 

lol! you buy that propoganda? its a last gasp from a deing  corpse

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Just now, guilluamezenz said:

lol! you buy that propoganda? its a last gasp from a deing  corpse

Hard to call it propaganda when I can see with my own eyeballs it is true. 

 

Literally. I can SEE IT! 

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2 minutes ago, kfools said:

Where are we sinking? 

 

We seem too be doing better than ever. 

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama’s. That’s not what happened

PUBLISHED THU, FEB 28 2019  8:52 AM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 28 2019  6:31 PM EST
 
 
 
 
 
KEY POINTS
  • Throughout the 2016 campaign and since, the president and his party have vowed to kick-start tepid Obama-era economic growth.
  • New government data show that Trump, too, has failed to reach the 3 percent promised land, according to one major metric.
  • The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis measured 2018 growth at 2.9 percent, matching the peak Obama enjoyed in 2015.
  • For the rest of the president’s term, economic forecasters agree, that number will decline.
  • https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html

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