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2 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

It appears  we have come to  the  point where you are here for what reason?   This is debate forum.   

 

 

understanding  the  multivariate dynamics of the   planet is  key here.   Did you  ever think   I am the  one who needs you to make  progress?

 

It's a troll forum, FFS.

You came to liberalforum.org because you wanted to reinforce your hatred of libruls and mock them, not because you ever for a second believed you could be wrong about anything or ever thought you had anything to learn about anything from anyone else. Your mind is not open, you are incapable of honest debate, you can barely even achieve actual communication.

 

It's not about the wobble of the Earth, FFS.

The properties of CO2 are well understood.

The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are well understood.

The reason that the CO2 levels are currently so high is also well understood.

THE ONLY REASON YOU BELIEVE IT'S NOT CO2 IS BECAUSE YOUR PARTISAN BELIEFS DEMAND IT.

 

This is why we can't have a debate-- I have tried with you in the past and you keep changing the subject over and over until it's so boring and frustrating I give up.

You are so dishonest and so self-unaware and so sure you have all the answers and the highest IQ that you will never, ever ever be able to get over yourself.

It is obvious to absolutely everyone on this forum.

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4 hours ago, NeoConvict said:

You at least agree driving a Prius and paying third world countries to plant trees is a ridiculous solution.  Progress. 

 

It's not progress because nobody ever believed that driving a Prius was the solution.

It's a straw man.

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Just now, Toldya said:

It's not about the wobble of the Earth, FFS.

The properties of CO2 are well understood.

 

You don't  know anything about physics, astrophysics, or chemistry.

 

This is "big picture" stuff.

 

 

1 minute ago, Toldya said:

The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are well understood.

The reason that the CO2 levels are currently so high is also well understood.

THE ONLY REASON YOU BELIEVE IT'S NOT CO2 IS BECAUSE YOUR PARTISAN BELIEFS DEMAND IT.

 

Partisan beliefs have nothing to do with it.     My belief in the sciences does.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Toldya said:

This is why we can't have a debate-- I have tried with you in the past and you keep changing the subject over and over

 

 

I never change the  subject.  I focus  on your points.    I don't buy AGW  nonsense.  You are the  one who refuses to open your mind that you might be wrong

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25 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

It's not progress because nobody ever believed that driving a Prius was the solution.

It's a straw man.

Like religion giving lip service to agw is enough for membership. Higher level acolytes buy smart cars. Few are willing to support the level of intrusion required to make any meaningful impact. 

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15 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

You don't  know anything about physics, astrophysics, or chemistry.

 

This is "big picture" stuff.

 

 

Oh, and I am sure you have mastered them all.

 

So I guess you've also proven that CO2 doesn't actually trap heat, despite this being the simplest, best, most logical explanation for the warming.

 

It's too late for you to pretend you're a fvcking science wizard, Elton... I've already had this argument with you and you know less than a sixth grader.

 

15 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

Partisan beliefs have nothing to do with it.     My belief in the sciences does.

 

They have everything to do with it, and you don't give a sh!t about science.

You've already dismissed all of NASA as part of some massive conspiracy to install socialism or something.

 

I am sure you've convinced yourself you're absolutely brilliant, but understanding that Co2 traps heat and doesn't leave the atmosphere easily isn't the least bit complicated and doesn't require your 8 million PhDs and 20 million Nobel prizes to get.

 

15 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

I never change the  subject.  I focus  on your points.    I don't buy AGW  nonsense.  You are the  one who refuses to open your mind that you might be wrong 

 

You constantly change the subject, you don't focus on my points.

Even now you ignored everything I said about Co2. 

 

I promise, if you had ever been able to come up with something that even LOOKED like it might be over my head, I wouldn't be responding in this fashion.

But you pretty much just regurgitate the same crap every other AGW-denying RWNJ on the internet regurgitates, using the same sites and the same sources.

Then you pat yourself on the back for cutting and pasting it here.

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14 hours ago, NeoConvict said:

Like religion giving lip service to agw is enough for membership. Higher level acolytes buy smart cars. Few are willing to support the level of intrusion required to make any meaningful impact. 

 

Toyota using the issue of climate change to sell cars has absolutely zero bearing on whether or not it is real or whether or not it is caused by CO2.

And just because you lack the imagination to see past your cartoonish Bond villain plot to save the planet, it doesn't mean others cannot.

 

One day you will realize you're not as smart or informed as you think you are, I know it.

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15 hours ago, Toldya said:

 

It's not progress because nobody ever believed that driving a Prius was the solution.

It's a straw man.

Well- people have to get on board with ideas that : make sense, are easy, and don’t alter their lives to dramatically. No one wants to give up their F150 for a Prius 

 

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13 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

Toyota using the issue of climate change to sell cars has absolutely zero bearing on whether or not it is real or whether or not it is caused by CO2.

And just because you lack the imagination to see past your cartoonish Bond villain plot to save the planet, it doesn't mean others cannot.

 

One day you will realize you're not as smart or informed as you think you are, I know it.

Most agw followers are unwilling to suffer for their faith. The green new deal isn't drastic enough to lower US emissions to pre industrial levels but is viewed as too extreme and costly by many. Run it up the flagpole and see if it gets popular support. My educated guess is that it won't. 

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29 minutes ago, Toldya said:

I am sure you have mastered them all.

 

more than  you have.   As  you  have admitted,  you  have  ZERO scientific   training or education.

 

29 minutes ago, Toldya said:

I guess you've also proven that CO2 doesn't actually trap heat,

 

 

The  primary function of  our atmosphere is to  trap heat.   CO2  is part of that  nutritious breakfast.  

 

Let me ask  you a question brainiac:  Is trapping  heat  good or bad?

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Toldya said:

You constantly change the subject, you don't focus on my points.

Even now you ignored everything I said about Co2. 

 

 

You don't know anything about  CO2,   to  you it is a  toxic waste product.    To  me  it is a  vital gas necessary for all life

 

29 minutes ago, Toldya said:

I promise, if you had ever been able to come up with something that even LOOKED like it might be over my head, I wouldn't be responding in this fashion.

 

 

you don't even  know this is  all over  your head.   All of  it.  You think   GMO plants  will save us because some  buttfuck wrote some article on it

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24 minutes ago, Toldya said:

I am sure you've convinced yourself you're absolutely brilliant, but understanding that Co2 traps heat and doesn't leave the atmosphere easily isn't the least bit complicated

 

Why do  you want  CO2 to leave the  atmosphere?

 

Why do you not want to  trap heat?

 

Where does  the heat   come from?

 

I  asked you  4 questions...   lets see 4 answers

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2 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

Well- people have to get on board with ideas that : make sense, are easy, and don’t alter their lives to dramatically. No one wants to give up their F150 for a Prius

 

The culture of selfishness and entitlement is part of the problem.... but I really think the biggest issue is that people don't really understand the implications of their behavior (unless they're an RWNJ, who will simply deny it's a problem at all and believe whatever makes them feel good).

 

It's hard to feel like the situation is urgent when we don't know for sure what's going to happen and the only guarantee we have is that by the end of the century things will be incredibly difficult.

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7 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

more than  you have.   As  you  have admitted,  you  have  ZERO scientific   training or education.

 

Yeah, but I'm not stupid like you.

And I know you're stupid because I have read the rest of your post.

 

7 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

The  primary function of  our atmosphere is to  trap heat.   CO2  is part of that  nutritious breakfast.  

 

Let me ask  you a question brainiac:  Is trapping  heat  good or bad?

 

See, ^^^THIS is how I know you're an idiot.

 

You can't just say that trapping heat is either good or bad.

Obviously if NOT ENOUGH heat is trapped, we're screwed.

But if TOO MUCH heat is trapped, then we're also screwed.

 

A fvcking 4 year old can listen to the story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears and unlock the secrets of this complex equation, but apparently not you.

 

14 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

You don't know anything about  CO2,   to  you it is a  toxic waste product.    To  me  it is a  vital gas necessary for all life

 

I don't think anyone in the entire world actually believes that.

You're truly retarded.

 

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you don't even  know this is  all over  your head.   All of  it.  You think   GMO plants  will save us because some  buttfuck wrote some article on it

 

It was published in Science Daily.

I'm sure with your outstanding reputation in the scientific community, if you wrote a rebuttal piece you could easily get it published alongside the buttfvck's.

 

15 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

Why do  you want  CO2 to leave the  atmosphere?

 

It's a balance, you inconceivable moron.

NOBODY WANTS ALL CO2 TO LEAVE THE ATMOSPHERE,

NOBODY.

 

18 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

Why do you not want to  trap heat?

 

How about tonight you get an adult/your minder to read you 'Goldilocks and the 3 Bears'?

There is a sequence in that story, which is also the position that you pathologically CANNOT grasp, where Goldilocks tries 3 bowls of porridge.

One bowl of porridge is too sweet, one isn't sweet enough, and one is just right.

She eats the one that is just right, and rejects the others.

 

Since you're painfully stupid and probably don't get metaphors:

 

THE HUMAN RACE IS GOLDILOCKS.

IF THE PLANET HAS TOO MUCH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

IF THE PLANET DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

WE WANT THE PLANET THAT IS JUST RIGHT.

 

24 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

Where does  the heat   come from?

 

Heat from the sun passes through the CO2 molecules like information passes through your brain, and by that I mean, it doesn't remain (well, unlike your brain, a little actually does remain).

 

Most of the heat trapped by the CO2 molecules is the heat that is emitted from the Earth. 

 

Like I said, it isn't complicated... unless your name rhymes with Smelton Bronson.

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1 minute ago, Toldya said:

Obviously if NOT ENOUGH heat is trapped, we're screwed.

But if TOO MUCH heat is trapped, then we're also screwed.

 

OK...    so  how much  heat are we supposed to be trapping then?

 

2 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

Most of the heat trapped by the CO2 molecules is the heat that is emitted from the Earth. 

 

Where is  the  heat "emitted from the Earth"  generated?

 

4 minutes ago, Toldya said:

Heat from the sun passes through the CO2 molecules like information passes through your brain

 

So CO2  molecules a allow  heat to  pass through  them in  one direction,  but then then they trap heat  in the  other direction?

 

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1 minute ago, Toldya said:

 

Yeah, but I'm not stupid like you.

And I know you're stupid because I have read the rest of your post.

 

 

See, ^^^THIS is how I know you're an idiot.

 

You can't just say that trapping heat is either good or bad.

Obviously if NOT ENOUGH heat is trapped, we're screwed.

But if TOO MUCH heat is trapped, then we're also screwed.

 

A fvcking 4 year old can listen to the story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears and unlock the secrets of this complex equation, but apparently not you.

 

 

I don't think anyone in the entire world actually believes that.

You're truly retarded.

 

 

It was published in Science Daily.

I'm sure with your outstanding reputation in the scientific community, if you wrote a rebuttal piece you could easily get it published alongside the buttfvck's.

 

 

It's a balance, you inconceivable moron.

NOBODY WANTS ALL CO2 TO LEAVE THE ATMOSPHERE,

NOBODY.

 

 

How about tonight you get an adult/your minder to read you 'Goldilocks and the 3 Bears'?

There is a sequence in that story, which is also the position that you pathologically CANNOT grasp, where Goldilocks tries 3 bowls of porridge.

One bowl of porridge is too sweet, one isn't sweet enough, and one is just right.

She eats the one that is just right, and rejects the others.

 

Since you're painfully stupid and probably don't get metaphors:

 

THE HUMAN RACE IS GOLDILOCKS.

IF THE PLANET HAS TOO MUCH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

IF THE PLANET DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

WE WANT THE PLANET THAT IS JUST RIGHT.

 

 

Heat from the sun passes through the CO2 molecules like information passes through your brain, and by that I mean, it doesn't remain (well, unlike your brain, a little actually does remain).

 

Most of the heat trapped by the CO2 molecules is the heat that is emitted from the Earth. 

 

Like I said, it isn't complicated... unless your name rhymes with Smelton Bronson.

You sound like you’ve got it all figured out- so my question is : why are you here and not out solving the problem? 

You seem like a guy that knows just enough bs About science / physics etc to come to a political forum and show off. 

Seems like a real waste of everyones time 

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5 minutes ago, Toldya said:

THE HUMAN RACE IS GOLDILOCKS.

IF THE PLANET HAS TOO MUCH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

IF THE PLANET DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CO2, WE CAN'T SURVIVE.

WE WANT THE PLANET THAT IS JUST RIGHT.

 

So what is  just  right?

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Just now, Imgreatagain said:

You seem like a guy that knows just enough bs About science / physics etc to come to a political forum and show off. 

 

 

Uhh...   she doen't  know  anything about science/physics.   She  regurgitates propaganda that support  her  agenda while accusing  people  who disagree with  her as  RWNJs,  idiots and deniers

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Just now, Imgreatagain said:

You sound like you’ve got it all figured out- so my question is : why are you here and not out solving the problem? 

You seem like a guy that knows just enough bs About science / physics etc to come to a political forum and show off. 

Seems like a real waste of everyones time 

 

This is the kind of stuff they teach in a single class in elementary school.

You can actually find this information by reading a single sentence that results from a single internet search.

 

I am not showing off.

Elton is just that dumb.

And it is annoying when someone that dumb pretends to have knowledge that they do not possess.

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1 minute ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Uhh...   she doen't  know  anything about science/physics.   She  regurgitates propaganda that support  her  agenda while accusing  people  who disagree with  her as  RWNJs,  idiots and deniers

He/she doesn’t seem stupid. I’m no brainiac - but there were some decent points / questions posed .  

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1 minute ago, Toldya said:

This is the kind of stuff they teach in a single class in elementary school.

 

 

They teach thermodynamics in elementary school?  In one class?

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Just now, Toldya said:

 

This is the kind of stuff they teach in a single class in elementary school.

You can actually find this information by reading a single sentence that results from a single internet search.

 

I am not showing off.

Elton is just that dumb.

And it is annoying when someone that dumb pretends to have knowledge that they do not possess.

Well at least you admit your education is at an elementary level and you google searched all your info 

I was actually trying to give you some props 

give someone an inch..   smh 

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2 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

He/she doesn’t seem stupid. I’m no brainiac - but there were some decent points / questions posed .  

 

Ignorance and arrogance with  pseudo intellect, not stupid.  Just foolish.  

 

Liberalism personfied.  

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4 minutes ago, Toldya said:

is annoying when someone that dumb pretends to have knowledge that they do not possess.

 

 

I am being very patient with you.  You are annoying, but I am an understanding person.  I realize what we are dealing with in you.

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Just now, EltonJohnson said:

 

Ignorance and arrogance with  pseudo intellect, not stupid.  Just foolish.  

 

Liberalism personfied.  

Aren’t you the wordsmith ? 

Just now, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

I am being very patient with you.  You are annoying, but I am an understanding person.  I realize what we are dealing with in you.

What the WHAT? 

Who is THIS Elton ? 

 

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4 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

OK...    so  how much  heat are we supposed to be trapping then?

 

 

Where is  the  heat "emitted from the Earth"  generated?

 

 

So CO2  molecules a allow  heat to  pass through  them in  one direction,  but then then they trap heat  in the  other direction?

 

 

Without human industrial activity, Co2 levels would still be around 280-300ppm.

Those are the CO2 levels that have allowed human civilizations to develop and prosper.

 

Radiation from the sun hits the Earth, which is then converted to heat energy and emitted by the Earth.

All of this information is readily available online if you're ever interested in having an actual, informed discussion.

 

800px-The_green_house_effect.svg.png

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

Well at least you admit your education is at an elementary level and you google searched all your info 

I was actually trying to give you some props 

give someone an inch..   smh 

 

I wasn't talking about my education, I was talking about the concept of global warming.

 

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