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Are There American Christians Being Persecuted?

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1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

The first link shows that they were banned because they violated the rules by not allowing a gay student into leadership.  As per linked article.

 

According to the suit, in 2016 a student complained that he was denied a leadership position because he was "openly gay." BLinC denied the student's claim, responding that he was denied over his rejection of their statement of faith.

Imagine saying a religious organization that believes homosexuality is a sin gets shut down for not letting a homo help run thier organization.

 

That's madness.

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22 minutes ago, kfools said:

Imagine saying a religious organization that believes homosexuality is a sin gets shut down for not letting a homo help run thier organization.

 

That's madness.

 

No. It was a university funded club.

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1 minute ago, leftwinger said:

 

No. It was a university funded club.

University funded? Don't the students fund the university?

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Just now, kfools said:

University funded? Don't the students fund the university?

 

In part, yes, from tuition.

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All religions will be marginalized as time goes on. We simply will no longer have the patience to cater to their irrational whims.

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2 minutes ago, drvoke said:

All religions will be marginalized as time goes on. We simply will no longer have the patience to cater to their irrational whims.

The wet dream of the atheist. Imagine a world without the horrors of religion! Wars would be more honest but they would still be fought. Perhaps more frequently without the restraint provided by belief in the divine and its inflated value placed on human life. I pray your dream never comes to pass.

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1 minute ago, NeoConvict said:

The wet dream of the atheist. Imagine a world without the horrors of religion! Wars would be more honest but they would still be fought. Perhaps more frequently without the restraint provided by belief in the divine and its inflated value placed on human life. I pray your dream never comes to pass.

 

You may well be right. The one fault of some atheists is that they believe others do not need a supernatural reason for restraint, because they themselves do not. This could be a disastrous error. 

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7 hours ago, NeoConvict said:

Spreading the lie that God and the bible are pro homosexual, pro divorce, pro infidelity, pro wealth, or pro abortion helps no one. It's no better than wrapping wars and other State sanctioned murders with religious approval. Love God. Fear God. Treat your neighbor as yourself. 

 

 

But that's why Christianity has always been hated by non-Christians and why the left hates it/them so much. The "good news" of Christianity is that Christ got us off the hook and we can go to Heaven. The bad news flip side is the Christ is the only way and without him you aren't going to Heaven...and there's only one other place to go.

 

Christians, by definition, believe that and everybody else thinks it's hateful and judgmental. Thinking that we are each as bad as the other and that Jesus can save any of us isn't the kind of tolerance they want. They want to believe that they are already "good enough" and that there are many ways. The Bible says that none of us are good enough on our own merit...hence the need for a savior.

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7 minutes ago, Michaelf said:

 

 

But that's why Christianity has always been hated by non-Christians and why the left hates it/them so much. The "good news" of Christianity is that Christ got us off the hook and we can go to Heaven. The bad news flip side is the Christ is the only way and without him you aren't going to Heaven...and there's only one other place to go.

 

Christians, by definition, believe that and everybody else thinks it's hateful and judgmental. Thinking that we are each as bad as the other and that Jesus can save any of us isn't the kind of tolerance they want. They want to believe that they are already "good enough" and that there are many ways. The Bible says that none of us are good enough on our own merit...hence the need for a savior.

Well said.

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7 hours ago, Toldya said:

 

The biggest lie is that you or anyone else knows what God wants.

You don't, and you have no right to force anyone to live by the rules of your insane cult of hatred.

 

 

So you're against forcing somebody to live in a way they don't want? At least Christianity doesn't levy any fine like Obamacare!

 

And I don't know of a church that tries to force gays to not be gays. It's just that they don't think what gays do could be considered as marriage. OK, the government could call it marriage but it's nothing like real marriage.

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2 minutes ago, Michaelf said:

So you're against forcing somebody to live in a way they don't want?

 

All Americans pay the costs of running a church. It is illegal to force a church to pay property tax.

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2 minutes ago, Michaelf said:

So you're against forcing somebody to live in a way they don't want? At least Christianity doesn't levy any fine like Obamacare!

 

And I don't know of a church that tries to force gays to not be gays. It's just that they don't think what gays do could be considered as marriage. OK, the government could call it marriage but it's nothing like real marriage.

Many churches won't marry divorced people. Don't see a difference between that and their refusal to marry homosexuals. 

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13 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

Many churches won't marry divorced people. Don't see a difference between that and their refusal to marry homosexuals. 

 

The difference is that we have a social movement (that has gathered some force of law) what demands the same sex stuff be recognized as "the same". People should do what they want as long as they leave me alone.

 

 

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1 hour ago, drvoke said:

All religions will be marginalized as time goes on. We simply will no longer have the patience to cater to their irrational whims.

I don't think that religions will continue to be as important as they are now, but they will never disappear or come to have no influence.

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56 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

Many churches won't marry divorced people. Don't see a difference between that and their refusal to marry homosexuals. 

They say that all marriages are for life, and that as long as both members of a couple are alive, they are married. Christianity bans polygamy, which is what marrying a divorced person would result in.

Churches refuse to marry homosexuals because homosexual marriage is against the Christian religion,

In both cases, the Church rules ban these marriages. 

 

I am all for people marrying whomever they choose.

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1 hour ago, Michaelf said:

 

 

But that's why Christianity has always been hated by non-Christians and why the left hates it/them so much. The "good news" of Christianity is that Christ got us off the hook and we can go to Heaven. The bad news flip side is the Christ is the only way and without him you aren't going to Heaven...and there's only one other place to go.

 

Christians, by definition, believe that and everybody else thinks it's hateful and judgmental. Thinking that we are each as bad as the other and that Jesus can save any of us isn't the kind of tolerance they want. They want to believe that they are already "good enough" and that there are many ways. The Bible says that none of us are good enough on our own merit...hence the need for a savior.

 

 

For most atheists, we don't hate religion, we believe it to be false. History is full of gods, now mostly dead. There is no reason to believe that Christianity isn't just as invalid as other mythologies. Except, of course, for the miracles of Jesus.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, XavierOnassis said:

They say that all marriages are for life, and that as long as both members of a couple are alive, they are married. Christianity bans polygamy, which is what marrying a divorced person would result in.

Churches refuse to marry homosexuals because homosexual marriage is against the Christian religion,

In both cases, the Church rules ban these marriages. 

 

I am all for people marrying whomever they choose.

 

 

At one time in this country to act married was to be married. The government got into the marriage business specifically to prevent certain people from being married. Civil marriage was all about exclusion from the beginning.

 

The act of licensing something suggests that certain criteria must be met. As the criteria disappear so does the need for  and meaning of the license unless it's just to collect the fee.

 

Currently our government certification of marriage certifies that you were idiot enough to fork over the fee.

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10 hours ago, kfools said:

He didn't go to war because of his faith. Neither did we. 

 

Muslims do.

 

Are you arguing this?

bush jr advertised his Christianity as a candidate and then did not practice his faith as president. neither did a large chunk of those who claim the mantle of Christ.

what good is a religion if you don't put it into practical application on all levels and instead practice a dreaded form of secular humanism based on rightist dogma???

the pope was right, the French were right, the Christians were wrong. 

the Iraq war was and is a fiasco and I have yet to see one of you apologize for the needless killings and suffering.

instead, we get political excuses. 

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9 hours ago, Michaelf said:

 

 

But that's why Christianity has always been hated by non-Christians and why the left hates it/them so much. The "good news" of Christianity is that Christ got us off the hook and we can go to Heaven. The bad news flip side is the Christ is the only way and without him you aren't going to Heaven...and there's only one other place to go.

 

Christians, by definition, believe that and everybody else thinks it's hateful and judgmental. Thinking that we are each as bad as the other and that Jesus can save any of us isn't the kind of tolerance they want. They want to believe that they are already "good enough" and that there are many ways. The Bible says that none of us are good enough on our own merit...hence the need for a savior.

so why don't you announce publicly that all Jews go to hell and that al jews murdered by hitler went straight to hell????

that is the centerpiece of your religion.

oh, and speaking of bulls hit where in the bible does it say that heaven is a place you go when you die?

your own Jesus clearly said it was not a place but a state of consciousness.

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1 hour ago, harryramar said:

bush jr advertised his Christianity as a candidate and then did not practice his faith as president. neither did a large chunk of those who claim the mantle of Christ.

what good is a religion if you don't put it into practical application on all levels and instead practice a dreaded form of secular humanism based on rightist dogma???

the pope was right, the French were right, the Christians were wrong. 

the Iraq war was and is a fiasco and I have yet to see one of you apologize for the needless killings and suffering.

instead, we get political excuses. 

I apologize for the needless suffering in Iraq. We should have removed Saddam without invading and trying to rebuild the country. 

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1 hour ago, harryramar said:

so why don't you announce publicly that all Jews go to hell and that al jews murdered by hitler went straight to hell????

that is the centerpiece of your religion.

oh, and speaking of bulls hit where in the bible does it say that heaven is a place you go when you die?

your own Jesus clearly said it was not a place but a state of consciousness.

The Jews have a covenant with God. Christians are step kids on that covenant. God chooses those in His flock, the Jews are chosen. Jesus said His father's house has many rooms. Doesn't sound like He was speaking of a state of mind.

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51 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

I apologize for the needless suffering in Iraq. We should have removed Saddam without invading and trying to rebuild the country. 

Behold an honorable man. I salute you.

thank you

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31 minutes ago, NeoConvict said:

The Jews have a covenant with God. Christians are step kids on that covenant. God chooses those in His flock, the Jews are chosen. Jesus said His father's house has many rooms. Doesn't sound like He was speaking of a state of mind.

The many mansions are the limitless states of consciousness. All things are possible to them that believe.

as you believe so shall it be done unto you

etc etc

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19 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

i wish they were.. they deserve to be

Seeing how Christians are treated in Muslim and atheist countries is enough to fight to ensure it doesn't happen here.

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