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8 hours ago, Scout said:

The results of capitalism are $20 trillion of federal gov't debt and trillions more in personal debt.

actually....that is the result of socialism.....and over spending by the government and individuals.....

name one of those debts from each sector that is the consequence of capitalism.

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5 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Do you ever tire of trolling and getting no bite?

I fish for the big fish! TRUMP! Its the HOT news of the day, Slo-hand!

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17 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Let's look at one of the examples that you "leftists" ... not conservatives ... keep pointing to as an example of successful socialism, peter. 

 

Leftists like Bernie Sanders, who you probably supported.   Right?

 

Denmark.

 

Yes, Denmark has been quite successful.   No denying that.

 

But is was your side ...  Bernie who called it successful socialism.     Of democRATic socialism.

 

But Denmark is a capitalist nation.  Even the Danish Prime Minister scolded Bernie Sanders for that, telling him “we’re NOT socialists”.   And they aren't.   Indeed, Denmark has relatively few rules on businesses.   Danes embrace free trade, competition and there is little government ownership or involvement in business. That’s just the opposite of what you America’s socialists push for the US.  In fact, if we could learn one lesson from *socialist* Denmark,  it would be "leave the economy alone".   According to the OECD, Denmark has the least amount of government red tape and the shortest start-up time for new businesses in the EU.  There is no minimum wage (which you Democrats push all the time  here in the US).  Danes don't even have have our Social Security (SS) nightmare because they contribute to individual accounts that move with them from job to job. In other words, they OWN the accounts. That's something that the socialists in the US voted against doing when Bush tried to allow SS members to divert just 4% of SS receipts to individual accounts that they would own. Were one of those who argued against Bush’s plan?   I bet you defend SS, peter, even though it has arguably made poorer (than they otherwise could have been) most of those who contributed to it.   

 

The REAL lesson of Denmark is that if you want Danish style social spending, then you need a relatively unfettered capitalist economy … not the sort of highly regulated, socialist one that you, Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Perez, AOC, and most modern day DemocRATS seem to want to force down the throats of all Americans.  Oh ... and by the way, just how successful is Denmark anyway?  Or more precisely, how successful was it before Obama came along and began to slow our economic growth through socialist interventions?  Back in 2010, an article ( http://www.tino.us/2010/01/dynamic-america-poor-europe/ ) pointed out that “if the US adopts European policies and immediately decreases to the levels of EU15, its per capita GDP would fall by 26.5%, 8 times worse than The Great Recession! (in practice the convergence would probably happen through years of reduced growth).”  It pointed that if we compared the “latest publicly available per capita GDP of 18 western Europeans countries and the US, we see that the US per capita GDP is $45,500, compared to $33,500 for EU15.  Each American produces 36% more than each member of the EU15.” Truth is, most of those supposedly *socialist* European countries you leftists keep name dropping weren’t all that successful compared to the US, anyway.   And still aren't.   Denmark, for example, would have barely inched ahead of Kentucky, one of our poorer states, in terms of per capita GDP.

 

There's another aspect of this that you're conveniently overlooking.  It's not just the economic system that has led to Denmarks *success* ... *success* measured as them being happier than us.      You see, maybe Danes are happier because they don't had to deal with all the ethnic problems we do? Maybe it's because Denmark has some of the strictest immigration policies in Europe (which as a rule are almost draconian compared to ours).  Just 0.5% of it’s population in 2009 was foreign born, including legal immigrants. In comparison over 3-6% of our population is now deemed illegal, much less foreign born. In fact, a top Mexican government official recently stated there were 30 million illegal hispanics in the US and you'd think he might know.   That would be almost 10% of our population.  Think how much happier we'd all be if we didn’t have the overcrowding that all those illegals have brought us?  Think how much happier we'd be if they weren't such a drain on our resources.  If they weren't causing so much crime?  If they weren't Balkanizing our culture and society?  Yet, it is you UNIPARTY DemocRATS and RINOS who insist of flooding our country with even more illegals.
 
And related to the above, maybe Danes are happier because they have a common language?  Almost all Danes speak that common language. They also share a common heritage and culture, and have basically one religion.  Maybe that's why they are happier ... more successful?    Almost 91% of Denmark's populace is native born (compared to our much smaller percentage) ... and they don't hand out Danish citizenship to the babies of illegals born in their country.   Maybe we'd be happier if we didn't?   Whereas Danes are working hard to maintain their culture, religion, and language ... and are proud of their country ... the Democrats/socialists/communists in the US (people like you seem intent on destroying whatever common cultural roots, bonds and language we still share.   Maybe the lesson we should really take from the Danes is to stop catering to people who refuse to learn English and share OUR values.  Who bash America constantly.   Maybe we should all stop listening to Democrats and socialists like you.   Then we'd be happier.   And more successful.
 
Maybe Danes are happier because they rarely hear the word “racist”. It’s not a matter of luck. It’s because there essentially are no other races in Denmark. Because the racial mix has remained constant for decades, they aren't worried about an ethnic group with completely different values taking over or changing their society. They wouldn’t allow it if they tried. Just watch how they are dealing with the muslim influx.   Whereas here in the US we have leftists (like you?), crying racism at the drop of the hat.   Bound to lower happiness and success.
 
Maybe Denmark's happiness is because far fewer Danes go to college (about half as many, per capita) as Americans. Colleges in the US are major bastions of liberal power and group think ... so avoiding them is likely to make people happier, because polls show that conservatives are happier in general.  Colleges help maintain liberal power by inculcating the next generation in liberal ideas ... while making them unhappy and unsatisfied.  Did you get that?   Colleges in the US actually strive hard to make students UNHAPPY and UNSATISFIED with America.   To think of America as unsuccessful not matter what the condition of the country.    To make them hope for change (ala Obama and AOC).    Maybe that’s the Dane’s secret? They haven’t let socialist/communist progressives like you take over their society in this way.  They’ve remained pragmatists and aren’t handing out degrees in ethnic studies, community organizing, communications, or political science ... occupations that disrupt society and make people unhappy.  That make people view their country as unsuccessful.
 
Or maybe Danes are happier because central planners decide how many doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc the society needs. More people go into trades than here. They don’t import their labor (i.e., use illegals). Now if we were honest with ourselves, perhaps a lot of Americans would be happier and more productive after learning a trade than being a community organizer, or a lawyer, or an ethnic studies major ... or a paid DemocRAT activist.  But I honestly don't think you Democrats and leftists would stand for government forcing individuals into certain occupations rather than others.  Would you?   Especially occupations that have traditionally been seen as “redneck”.    It goes against everything liberals claim to represent.  That would make them even unhappier.  And they'd view the country as being even more unsuccessful than they already do.
 
Then again, maybe Danes are happier because they have one-fourth the number of lawyers in their society as ours. They aren’t anywhere near as litigious as we are … especially Democrats who seem to sue someone at the drop of a hate ... for the slightest slight.   Yes, lawyers primarily support the Democratic Party in this country.  Do you know that, peter.  Maybe that’s the lesson we should take from "successful" Denmark.   Kill the lawyers.   Because their job is to make someone unhappy.  Their being DemocRATS would just be a twofer.
 
Or look at Denmark's welfare system.  Yes, it's pretty generous … but it's time limited. A Dane can exhaust his lifetime allowance in less than four years so they are strongly motivated to find a job and work.   Psychologists say that people need purpose … that work makes people happy. That's a far cry from what you Democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists/communists want to create here in the United States ... a nanny state that makes people life long dependents of the government ... and therefore lifelong Democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists/communists.   Maybe that’s why Denmark is happier and more successful … because they have forced their populace to work to survive … rather than live on the dole forever like Democrats appear to want for the United States.
 
So seriously … peter ... do you really want us to be like Denmark?  Because I’d be ok with almost all of the above ... but I doubt that you and most DemocRATS would be.  Those changes threaten your leftist hold on this country ... the very existence of your most important constituencies. In fact, the only thing you leftists really seem to like that the Danes have done is increase taxes.  Indeed, according to http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/can-u-s-learn-denmark/ , “Denmark’s taxes came to 48.6 percent of the country’s economic output in 2013, nearly double the United States’ 25.4 percent that year and highest in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) group of wealthy countries.” This article ( http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26327114 ) from 2014 said Denmark taxes workers at 60% on earnings over $60,000 (in comparison to 25% in the US at the time). You ready to give another 35% of your income over $60000 to the government, just to provide for those who don’t work (and many who don’t want to work) all that "free" stuff that you leftist think is a right?

 

Now be honest. ... :lol:

Being honest,

it is extremely doubtful that you can even remotely discuss the government regulations in European Capitalism,

as opposed to,

American Capitalism.

 

I spent about 2 years setting up a subsidiary company of an American company in a European Capitalist country,

which WAS NOT Denmark.

It was a former communist (meaning Russian occupied, and directed) country.

It had its own form of racism.

It taxed workers at 37%.

 

Since I spent about 2 years living in hotels,

and negotiating many things in many countries,

I had A LOT OF TIME to talk to people about how they liked things like their healthcare, and their lives.

How they liked the flower festivals in their small towns.

 

Your insulting and childish description of your "conservative" fantasy of European Capitalism,

is monumentally STUPID.

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12 minutes ago, Scout said:

Please show me those demographic figures.

 

5 minutes ago, Scout said:

It is close enuf for my intents and purposes. 

 

See what I mean about Scout being stuck on stupid, folks?

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

The vast majority in this nation would be STARVING if they had to come up with their share of the national debt.  

We are NOT prosperous we are merely stealing the prosperity from a future generation. 

Whew!! 

 

They would? 

 

Well you might have a good point if that were how credit calls worked. You see though you leave out the part where if our credit gets called then we get to call other nations credit against our debt....the debts they owe us. 

 

I bet the average person wouldn't owe a dime. 

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3 minutes ago, Scout said:

We are NOT prosperous we are merely stealing the prosperity from a future generation. 

 

You can thank FDR and DemocRATS for that, Scout.

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3 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

I fish for the big fish! TRUMP! Its the HOT news of the day, Slo-hand!

 

I rather doubt you're going to get him to bite in this little pond, Slo-brain!

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4 minutes ago, kfools said:

Whew!! 

 

They would? 

 

Well you might have a good point if that were how credit calls worked. You see though you leave out the part where if our credit gets called then we get to call other nations credit against our debt....the debts they owe us. 

 

I bet the average person wouldn't owe a dime. 

I bet you are wrong.

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4 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

You can thank FDR and DemocRATS for that, Scout.

This statement displays utter ignorance of history and does not merit comment.

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5 minutes ago, peter45 said:

Being honest,

it is extremely doubtful that you can even remotely discuss the government regulations in European Capitalism,

as opposed to,

American Capitalism.

 

I spent about 2 years setting up a subsidiary company of an American company in a European Capitalist country,

which WAS NOT Denmark.

It was a former communist (meaning Russian occupied, and directed) country.

It had its own form of racism.

It taxed workers at 37%.

 

Since I spent about 2 years living in hotels,

and negotiating many things in many countries,

I had A LOT OF TIME to talk to people about how they liked things like their healthcare, and their lives.

How they liked the flower festivals in their small towns.

 

Your insulting and childish description of your "conservative" fantasy of European Capitalism,

is monumentally STUPID.

 

Notice how carefully he avoided addressing the specifics of what I wrote and answering my questions, folks?   That's called RUNNING.   :rolleyes:

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4 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Notice how carefully he avoided addressing the specifics of what I wrote and answering my questions, folks?   That's called RUNNING.   :rolleyes:

Notice how he used some canned "conservative" crapolla about Denmark,

which was probably copied and pasted from somewhere else,

and didn't dare attempt to mention any of the billions of regulations,

that the "conservatives" just KNOW exist somewhere,

like the monsters that little kids see under the bed.

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Just now, Scout said:

This statement displays utter ignorance of history and does not merit comment.

 

Really?  

 

You think FDR and Social Security has had nothing to do with the theft our our children's future prosperity?

 

You think Obama's contentment with low growth had nothing to do with it?

 

I'm willing to debate this, but you seem to be already fleeing the battlefield ... as usual.

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Capitalism and the national debt are not all that connected. Borrowing (whatever form it comes in) will happen no matter the economic system. 

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1 minute ago, peter45 said:

Notice how he used some canned "conservative" crapolla about Denmark,

which was probably copied and pasted from somewhere else,

and didn't dare attempt to mention any of the billions of regulations,

that the "conservatives" just KNOW exist somewhere,

like the monsters that little kids see under the bed.

 

Nothing I said about Denmark is untrue. 

 

Now you want to dismiss what I said (i.e., RUN) by accusing me of just cutting and pasting.

 

Even if that were true, (and it isn't) it doesn't make what I wrote wrong.

 

Now if you can prove something I presented as fact isn't fact, that would be different.

 

But you haven't.  

 

No, you're just running now, peter. 

 

And everyone here can see it.

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4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Capitalism and the national debt are not all that connected. Borrowing (whatever form it comes in) will happen no matter the economic system. 

Not true.

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1 minute ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Nothing I said about Denmark is untrue. 

 

Now you want to dismiss what I said (i.e., RUN) by accusing me of just cutting and pasting.

 

Even if that were true, (and it isn't) it doesn't make what I wrote wrong.

 

Now if you can prove something I presented as fact isn't fact, that would be different.

 

But you haven't.  

 

No, you're just running now, peter. 

 

And everyone here can see it.

Denmark is not the best example of a European Capitalist country, for some of the reasons that you had listed in your reply.

Germany is a much better example of what America could attempt to emulate.

My specific experience was in the Czech Republic, but that country is still establishing itself.

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Just now, Scout said:

Not true.

So they did not borrow in the days before socialism/capitalism were not even thought of? Interesting view of human nature. 

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9 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Really?  

 

You think FDR and Social Security has had nothing to do with the theft our our children's future prosperity?

 

You think Obama's contentment with low growth had nothing to do with it?

 

I'm willing to debate this, but you seem to be already fleeing the battlefield ... as usual.

No, I know that once again you will opine and not back it up. 

And as usual, I'm right.

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Just now, impartialobserver said:

So they did not borrow in the days before socialism/capitalism were not even thought of? Interesting view of human nature. 

Many economies have NO governmental borrowing. 

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Capitalism and socialism weren't really 'invented'.  They evolved from natural circumstances. 

 

.....many many millenia ago. 

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11 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Really?  

 

You think FDR and Social Security has had nothing to do with the theft our our children's future prosperity?

 

You think Obama's contentment with low growth had nothing to do with it?

 

I'm willing to debate this, but you seem to be already fleeing the battlefield ... as usual.

Social Security is a pay as we go system.

There is nothing taken from children's future.

 

Obama's contentment with low growth meant he didn't borrow as much as Trump.

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Just now, Scout said:

Capitalism and socialism weren't really 'invented'.  They evolved from natural circumstances. 

So do human beings borrow from each other, yes or no? This could be person to person, city to city, company to company, or whatever you can construe. 

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17 minutes ago, peter45 said:

Notice how he used some canned "conservative" crapolla about Denmark,

which was probably copied and pasted from somewhere else,

and didn't dare attempt to mention any of the billions of regulations,

that the "conservatives" just KNOW exist somewhere,

like the monsters that little kids see under the bed.

Yep.  AND he is boring. 

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3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

So do human beings borrow from each other, yes or no? This could be person to person, city to city, company to company, or whatever you can construe. 

 

Yes, they borrow.  Especially when capitalism offers them a 'no money down' offer. 

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