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35 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

I am heartened by hearing that. A couple of the students in my class somehow thought it was great, but I think it was mostly because they liked the teacher's fashion sense, which was indisputable.

Barry U. hired public HS teachers as adjuncts to teach other Miami-Dade public HS teachers to get a certificate so they could get a promotion and/or a raise. There were 25 in the class, the teacher was paid $1500 to teach it, we were charged $300 a pop. So Barry supplied a computer lab with 25 Apple II's (and this was after many better computers were available) and got $6000 for it. And told us that it was not making any money, that this was "community service".

 

I was not at that time teaching in MD public schools, but in a public college, and the certificate as a computer specialist was not honored by anyone outside the County, so I dropped out, and took a desktop publishing course at MDC, which was actually useful, as I got some part time gigs for my skills.

 

The rest of the class probably got to teach Pascal to HS kids. What fun!

Blaise Pascal (for whom the language was named) was a cool French dude. He should resurrect himself and sue the inventors of Pascal ( and in particular the fools who wrote the Apple II Pascal programming ap for defamation.

 

My processor was the weirdest thing ever.

 

She was a silver-haired old hippy who looked like she always slept in her clothes and came straight from bed. She wore this skin-tight ripped knit-wear. Very clingy. You could tell she was once a super vixen. Now she was old and seems quite insane. Little she said in class made any sense to me. We got an assignment and we were on our own. or at least I was.

 

Many of the students were part of what was called the Grant High (San Francisco) mafia. Chinese American students who had the benefit of a community of engineers and computer science students who could help them out when they were bewildered. I had no one. All my friends were in the liberal arts. I had to figure out every issue myself. And that didn't always happen quickly (understatement alert). And I was a terrible typist. And the Berkeley mainframe tended to crash our programs. I lost so much work. The hours were beyond reason. And these were pretty simple little programs.

 

I was severely sleep deprived the entire quarter. Because I was (perhaps the only?) student who had no help, I did need to learn it to do it. I'd have rather had help.

 

PASCAL was torture for me. There was an element of logic that I like a lot. But....

 

Bill

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1 hour ago, XavierOnassis said:

Socialism is not a monarchy, you fool. Inflation in the USSR  ansd Eastern Europe. was minuscule. Inflation does not seem to be much of a problem in China, the largest communist system of them all. Chongo has a knack for finding the stupidest conspiracies and making them sound even more stupid. When Russia decided to abandon Communism, inflation went wild.

 

Capitalism is a system for developing companies  by combining the capital of multiple individuals. It is not per se a political system.

 

The deficit is a result of the fact that legislatures can get votes for cutting taxes or providing services, but find it difficult to get any votes for increasing taxes and denying services.This is not something to blame capitalism for. We CAN blame Reagan and the constant harping by Republicans that tax cuts always pay for themselves. This has happened, not very spectacularly, when JFK was president, but that was a rare fluke that has not been repeated.

 

There is an ideal tax rate that will maximize both growth and government revenues, but it is not a constant rate, and varies throughout the economy.

 

Wars have been a tested and true method for getting the public to accept higher taxes, but lately this has not been tried.

 

 

   The Chinese leaders realize that the communist system is an anti-creator monarchy, stop promoting dupizm.

 

"Capitalism is a system for developing companies  by combining the capital of multiple individuals. It is not per se a political system."

 

Socialism has no self employment legal rights or private property rights and all the deaths that have been carried out in various socialist areas against their own native populations were legal according to socialist administrative authority law.

 

Stop duping the children about socialism, a new anti-creator monarchy is not going to solve any problems.

 

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1 hour ago, Chiseler said:

lol timmy no, that's not capitalism.  when the government uses its people's money or borrows it, that's socialism

Therefore this is already a socialist country so why get worried about it.  f

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1 hour ago, Buffalo said:

Where is the "EVIDENCE" that you moonbats with trumpy OCD use to continue the witch hunt?  There is none! But that doesn't stop you idiots. I'm with BeAChooser. The many titted empress and her slick willie are the biggest crooks ever. The many titted empress just got by with destroying the evidence.

If Trump didn't want to be investigated, he should have been an upstanding citizen.  DUH.

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If democratic socialism is so bad, why is Norway so great?

 

 

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If democratic socialism is so bad, why is Norway so great?

 

 

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If democratic socialism is so bad, why is Norway so great?

 

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Oslo, Norway.The spectacular upset victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in her recent New York congressional primary election has catapulted the topic of democratic socialism to the top of America's political discussion. Conservatives have argued that the leftist politics of Ocasio-Cortez represent a policy program guaranteed to fail, and a sure electoral loser for Democrats. (Plenty of moderate liberals, including my colleague Damon Linker, have cosigned the latter part of that argument, too.)

 

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7 hours ago, Scout said:

The results of capitalism are $20 trillion of federal gov't debt and trillions more in personal debt.

Results of socialism?

 

Check out video of Venezuela...

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1 hour ago, Chiseler said:

that's nice.  that doesnt change the fact that the op's complaints are the result of socialism and not capitalism. 

We had a capitalistic system; we accrued $20 trillion of gov't debt and trillions and trillions more in personal debt.

Truth hurts.  Read it and weep.

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50 minutes ago, leftwinger said:

 

Ben Franklin founded the University of Pennsylvania.

I thought it was private.

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

We had a capitalistic system; we accrued $20 trillion of gov't debt and trillions and trillions more in personal debt.

Truth hurts.  Read it and weep.

No one is arguing those stats...

But you think socialist don't have debt?

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

We had a capitalistic system; we accrued $20 trillion of gov't debt and trillions and trillions more in personal debt.

Truth hurts.  Read it and weep.

what does borrowing money have to do with capitalism?  you're not making any sense

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5 minutes ago, Z09 said:

No one is arguing those stats...

But you think socialist don't have debt?

Do the research re industrialized nations who are socialist. 

No research needed to know what terrible debt capitalistic ideals brought to the world.

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

Do the research re industrialized nations who are socialist. 

No research needed to know what terrible debt capitalistic ideals brought to the world.

Socialism has failed all over the place...

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6 minutes ago, Z09 said:

Socialism has failed all over the place...

European Capitalism is quite successful.

European Capitalism is what "conservatives" refer to as socialism.

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19 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

If democratic socialism is so bad, why is Norway so great?

 

 

In one word ... OIL.   You know ... fossil fuel.   Oh my ... what a conundrum for a global warming alarmist socialist/communist like you.   :lol:

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Chooser rightwing propagandistic NONSENSE has turned your brain into tapioca

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6 minutes ago, peter45 said:

European Capitalism is quite successful.

European Capitalism is what "conservatives" refer to as socialism.

Great minds.....  :D 

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21 minutes ago, Scout said:

We had a capitalistic system; we accrued $20 trillion of gov't debt and trillions and trillions more in personal debt.

 

We accrued $20 trillion in debt because of the policies of you UNIPARTY socialists and communists, Scout.  Not capitalism.

 

Like I told you before, we've wasted over $25 trillion dollars alone on your so-called War On Policy boondoggle. 

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1 minute ago, Z09 said:

Results of socialism?

 

Check out video of Venezuela...

A lot of Venezuela's troubles are the result of US economic warfare over the years because Chavez and now Maduro would not/will not let outside corporations control and profit from Venezuela's vast oil reserves.  The facts remain off-limits to the American media and therefore the American public.  

The problems currently facing Venezuela started in 2014. The already growing abundance of oil due to hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, was compounded by Saudi Arabia flooding the markets with cheap oil. The result: massive price drops. Despite facing a domestic fiscal crisis, Saudi Arabia continues to expand its oil production apparatus.

The son of President Ronald Reagan has argued that Obama is intentionally driving down oil prices not just to weaken the Venezuelan economy, but also to tamper the influence of Russia and Iran. Writing for Townhall in 2014, Michael Reagan bragged that his father did the same thing to hurt the Soviet Union during the 1980s:

“Since selling oil was the source of the Kremlin’s wealth, my father got the Saudis to flood the market with cheap oil.

Lower oil prices devalued the ruble, causing the USSR to go bankrupt, which led to perestroika and Mikhail Gorbachev and the collapse of the Soviet Empire.”

Think Iran in 1953, think Iraq, think Libya, think of all the countries where the US has interfered economically or militarily on behalf of big oil corporations because the governments of those countries either stopped or would not allow big corporations to exploit their resources, especially oil.

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21 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

what does borrowing money have to do with capitalism?  you're not making any sense

 

Of course not.   This is Scout you're talking about, Chiseler.   Not making sense and spouting lies are her stock in trade.

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8 minutes ago, peter45 said:

European Capitalism is quite successful.

European Capitalism is what "conservatives" refer to as socialism.

 

Let's look at one of the examples that you "leftists" ... not conservatives ... keep pointing to as an example of successful socialism, peter. 

 

Leftists like Bernie Sanders, who you probably supported.   Right?

 

Denmark.

 

Yes, Denmark has been quite successful.   No denying that.

 

But is was your side ...  Bernie who called it successful socialism.     Of democRATic socialism.

 

But Denmark is a capitalist nation.  Even the Danish Prime Minister scolded Bernie Sanders for that, telling him “we’re NOT socialists”.   And they aren't.   Indeed, Denmark has relatively few rules on businesses.   Danes embrace free trade, competition and there is little government ownership or involvement in business. That’s just the opposite of what you America’s socialists push for the US.  In fact, if we could learn one lesson from *socialist* Denmark,  it would be "leave the economy alone".   According to the OECD, Denmark has the least amount of government red tape and the shortest start-up time for new businesses in the EU.  There is no minimum wage (which you Democrats push all the time  here in the US).  Danes don't even have have our Social Security (SS) nightmare because they contribute to individual accounts that move with them from job to job. In other words, they OWN the accounts. That's something that the socialists in the US voted against doing when Bush tried to allow SS members to divert just 4% of SS receipts to individual accounts that they would own. Were one of those who argued against Bush’s plan?   I bet you defend SS, peter, even though it has arguably made poorer (than they otherwise could have been) most of those who contributed to it.   

 

The REAL lesson of Denmark is that if you want Danish style social spending, then you need a relatively unfettered capitalist economy … not the sort of highly regulated, socialist one that you, Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Perez, AOC, and most modern day DemocRATS seem to want to force down the throats of all Americans.  Oh ... and by the way, just how successful is Denmark anyway?  Or more precisely, how successful was it before Obama came along and began to slow our economic growth through socialist interventions?  Back in 2010, an article ( http://www.tino.us/2010/01/dynamic-america-poor-europe/ ) pointed out that “if the US adopts European policies and immediately decreases to the levels of EU15, its per capita GDP would fall by 26.5%, 8 times worse than The Great Recession! (in practice the convergence would probably happen through years of reduced growth).”  It pointed that if we compared the “latest publicly available per capita GDP of 18 western Europeans countries and the US, we see that the US per capita GDP is $45,500, compared to $33,500 for EU15.  Each American produces 36% more than each member of the EU15.” Truth is, most of those supposedly *socialist* European countries you leftists keep name dropping weren’t all that successful compared to the US, anyway.   And still aren't.   Denmark, for example, would have barely inched ahead of Kentucky, one of our poorer states, in terms of per capita GDP.

 

There's another aspect of this that you're conveniently overlooking.  It's not just the economic system that has led to Denmarks *success* ... *success* measured as them being happier than us.      You see, maybe Danes are happier because they don't had to deal with all the ethnic problems we do? Maybe it's because Denmark has some of the strictest immigration policies in Europe (which as a rule are almost draconian compared to ours).  Just 0.5% of it’s population in 2009 was foreign born, including legal immigrants. In comparison over 3-6% of our population is now deemed illegal, much less foreign born. In fact, a top Mexican government official recently stated there were 30 million illegal hispanics in the US and you'd think he might know.   That would be almost 10% of our population.  Think how much happier we'd all be if we didn’t have the overcrowding that all those illegals have brought us?  Think how much happier we'd be if they weren't such a drain on our resources.  If they weren't causing so much crime?  If they weren't Balkanizing our culture and society?  Yet, it is you UNIPARTY DemocRATS and RINOS who insist of flooding our country with even more illegals.
 
And related to the above, maybe Danes are happier because they have a common language?  Almost all Danes speak that common language. They also share a common heritage and culture, and have basically one religion.  Maybe that's why they are happier ... more successful?    Almost 91% of Denmark's populace is native born (compared to our much smaller percentage) ... and they don't hand out Danish citizenship to the babies of illegals born in their country.   Maybe we'd be happier if we didn't?   Whereas Danes are working hard to maintain their culture, religion, and language ... and are proud of their country ... the Democrats/socialists/communists in the US (people like you seem intent on destroying whatever common cultural roots, bonds and language we still share.   Maybe the lesson we should really take from the Danes is to stop catering to people who refuse to learn English and share OUR values.  Who bash America constantly.   Maybe we should all stop listening to Democrats and socialists like you.   Then we'd be happier.   And more successful.
 
Maybe Danes are happier because they rarely hear the word “racist”. It’s not a matter of luck. It’s because there essentially are no other races in Denmark. Because the racial mix has remained constant for decades, they aren't worried about an ethnic group with completely different values taking over or changing their society. They wouldn’t allow it if they tried. Just watch how they are dealing with the muslim influx.   Whereas here in the US we have leftists (like you?), crying racism at the drop of the hat.   Bound to lower happiness and success.
 
Maybe Denmark's happiness is because far fewer Danes go to college (about half as many, per capita) as Americans. Colleges in the US are major bastions of liberal power and group think ... so avoiding them is likely to make people happier, because polls show that conservatives are happier in general.  Colleges help maintain liberal power by inculcating the next generation in liberal ideas ... while making them unhappy and unsatisfied.  Did you get that?   Colleges in the US actually strive hard to make students UNHAPPY and UNSATISFIED with America.   To think of America as unsuccessful not matter what the condition of the country.    To make them hope for change (ala Obama and AOC).    Maybe that’s the Dane’s secret? They haven’t let socialist/communist progressives like you take over their society in this way.  They’ve remained pragmatists and aren’t handing out degrees in ethnic studies, community organizing, communications, or political science ... occupations that disrupt society and make people unhappy.  That make people view their country as unsuccessful.
 
Or maybe Danes are happier because central planners decide how many doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc the society needs. More people go into trades than here. They don’t import their labor (i.e., use illegals). Now if we were honest with ourselves, perhaps a lot of Americans would be happier and more productive after learning a trade than being a community organizer, or a lawyer, or an ethnic studies major ... or a paid DemocRAT activist.  But I honestly don't think you Democrats and leftists would stand for government forcing individuals into certain occupations rather than others.  Would you?   Especially occupations that have traditionally been seen as “redneck”.    It goes against everything liberals claim to represent.  That would make them even unhappier.  And they'd view the country as being even more unsuccessful than they already do.
 
Then again, maybe Danes are happier because they have one-fourth the number of lawyers in their society as ours. They aren’t anywhere near as litigious as we are … especially Democrats who seem to sue someone at the drop of a hate ... for the slightest slight.   Yes, lawyers primarily support the Democratic Party in this country.  Do you know that, peter.  Maybe that’s the lesson we should take from "successful" Denmark.   Kill the lawyers.   Because their job is to make someone unhappy.  Their being DemocRATS would just be a twofer.
 
Or look at Denmark's welfare system.  Yes, it's pretty generous … but it's time limited. A Dane can exhaust his lifetime allowance in less than four years so they are strongly motivated to find a job and work.   Psychologists say that people need purpose … that work makes people happy. That's a far cry from what you Democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists/communists want to create here in the United States ... a nanny state that makes people life long dependents of the government ... and therefore lifelong Democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists/communists.   Maybe that’s why Denmark is happier and more successful … because they have forced their populace to work to survive … rather than live on the dole forever like Democrats appear to want for the United States.
 
So seriously … peter ... do you really want us to be like Denmark?  Because I’d be ok with almost all of the above ... but I doubt that you and most DemocRATS would be.  Those changes threaten your leftist hold on this country ... the very existence of your most important constituencies. In fact, the only thing you leftists really seem to like that the Danes have done is increase taxes.  Indeed, according to http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/can-u-s-learn-denmark/ , “Denmark’s taxes came to 48.6 percent of the country’s economic output in 2013, nearly double the United States’ 25.4 percent that year and highest in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) group of wealthy countries.” This article ( http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26327114 ) from 2014 said Denmark taxes workers at 60% on earnings over $60,000 (in comparison to 25% in the US at the time). You ready to give another 35% of your income over $60000 to the government, just to provide for those who don’t work (and many who don’t want to work) all that "free" stuff that you leftist think is a right?

 

Now be honest. ... :lol:

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Time to skip another endless BAC spiel.......

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29 minutes ago, Debs said:

Chooser rightwing propagandistic NONSENSE has turned your brain into tapioca

 

So Redwood ... why did you come back as sock puppet Debs?  Did something turn YOUR brain into tapioca?

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

Time to skip another endless BAC spiel.......

 

See what I mean about Scout, folks?  She runs on EVERY topic eventually.    Didn't waste ANY time on this one.   :lol:

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