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Hitler's alliance with Christianity

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4 hours ago, Chiseler said:

Lol, the peasants he says.

No timmy, they aren't making less.  D- for effort. That really took a lot of mental gymnastics just to fail miserably. 

 

  I know across the western world the lower middle class and working class have been hammered by austerity and the decline in real living standards has been falling. hence your yellow shirts, brexit , Venezuela  etc. In the U.S the massive federal borrowing by obamha and accelerated under trump is protecting the U.s citizens to a degree compared to the rest But the failure is in the drip down effect. so the previous statement to yours is Valid.

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12 hours ago, Bluenami said:

Hitler was a conservative's dream come true!  Every Trumptard here would have voted for him.

 

And he lost the popular vote as well.

 

 

 

You are an idiot.  

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6 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

So they are slaving and neglecting their family just for the fun of it. You are a fukking moron.

Not everyone lives with a family jackass

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5 hours ago, IvanSirko said:

 

  I know across the western world the lower middle class and working class have been hammered by austerity and the decline in real living standards has been falling. hence your yellow shirts, brexit , Venezuela  etc. In the U.S the massive federal borrowing by obamha and accelerated under trump is protecting the U.s citizens to a degree compared to the rest But the failure is in the drip down effect. so the previous statement to yours is Valid.

No the failure is a constant importing of a poor lower class so the bottom keeps lowering where millions of people just waltz in and out bleeding the country dry.

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1 minute ago, Chiseler said:

No the failure is a constant importing of a poor lower class so the bottom keeps lowering.

 

   

  Thats a classical diversion encouraged by those wanting to profit from cheap labour etc. The ones with the big buck lobbies set the agenda not the working classes.

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2 minutes ago, IvanSirko said:

 

   

  Thats a classical diversion encouraged by those wanting to profit from cheap labour etc. The ones with the big buck lobbies set the agenda not the working classes.

Not a diversion, it's costing the country $113billion a year just to save 10 cents on a head of lettuce. 

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5 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

Not a diversion, it's costing the country $113billion a year just to save 10 cents on a head of lettuce. 

 

 

 AND the likes of Trump employs/ has employed cheap labour..he and his cronies will continue if the working class keep  stupidly voting for them

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2 minutes ago, IvanSirko said:

 

 

 AND the likes of Trump employs/ has employed cheap labour..he and his cronies will continue if the working class keep  stupidly voting for them

Now that's a diversion. He's doing more than oboingo and the impotent libs who sue to keep the border open and the illegals leeching.

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11 hours ago, jerra- said:

 

exactly why Christ said not to put the new wine into old wine skins.

 

 

from matthew 9

 

17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

 

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Just now, Chiseler said:

Now that's a diversion. He's doing more than oboingo and the impotent libs.

did Obama employ illegals in his home or businesses?

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Just now, maineman said:

did Obama employ illegals in his home or businesses?

Probably. And I don't think Trump does 100% of his hiring, I think you know that too you just think it sounds good coming out of your mouth.

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Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

 

Jesus was certainly no expert on bottles. Of course, I don't think that in Jesus' time they used glass bottles, and perhaps pottery jugs are weakened from use.

When they used returnable bottles, they recycled them thousands of times.

I don't think when we use the word bottles in English, anyone thinks about anything but glass bottles. But Jesus did not speak English: no one spoke English during his lifetime.

So this is just a poor translation and the proper term would be "jugs" or "amphora".

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24 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

Probably. And I don't think Trump does 100% of his hiring, I think you know that too you just think it sounds good coming out of your mouth.

"probably"????

 

lololololol

 

Do you think that the personnel manager was fired by the clown for hiring illegals to work at his myriad properties?

 

Wait wait... don't tell me... let me guess:  "probably"!

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, maineman said:

"probably"????

 

lololololol

 

Do you think that the personnel manager was fired by the clown for hiring illegals to work at his myriad properties?

 

Wait wait... don't tell me... let me guess:  "probably"!

 

 

 

stfu and worry about your skank whore

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Just now, maineman said:

"probably"????

 

lololololol

 

Do you think that the personnel manager was fired by the clown for hiring illegals to work at his myriad properties?

 

Wait wait... don't tell me... let me guess:  "probably"!

 

 

 

i dont know, was he?  you're the one pushing the story

and i think allowing millions of illegals to remain in the country and not doing anything to stop them entering is just a little bit worse than one of your thousands of employees hiring a few of them. 

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Trump hires mostly  Romanian workers to do  do the waitstaff and hotel housekeeping at Mar a Lago, alleging that there are an insufficient number of qualified people in the Palm Beach area to do these simple jobs. He does this because they are less likely to write exposés of him and the members of his club (some of whom are into whoremongering, as we know) and his he can fire them with impunity. If he fires them, they are forced to leave the country.

He is known for not paying people the wages that he promised, and Romanians have no recourse to the justice system if he pays them less than the agreed amount.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

Trump hires mostly  Romanian workers to do  do the waitstaff and hotel housekeeping at Mar a Lago, alleging that there are an insufficient number of qualified people in the Palm Beach area to do these simple jobs. He does this because they are less likely to write exposés of him and the members of his club (some of whom are into whoremongering, as we know) and his he can fire them with impunity. If he fires them, they are forced to leave the country.

He is known for not paying people the wages that he promised, and Romanians have no recourse to the justice system if he pays them less than the agreed amount.

What forces them to leave the country?  I think you just made this whole thing up.

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3 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

What forces them to leave the country?  I think you just made this whole thing up.

If a person is hired on an H-1 visa such as Trump provides, they cannot stay in the country if they are fired.

All you have to do is look at the provisions for this type of visa, which was created for seasonal workers and workers with special skills, such as computer programming.

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2 minutes ago, DennisTheMenace said:

Christians immoral?   Call the choir boys.

call the hit squad for you

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

If a person is hired on an H-1 visa such as Trump provides, they cannot stay in the country if they are fired.

All you have to do is look at the provisions for this type of visa, which was created for seasonal workers and workers with special skills, such as computer programming.

Lol so Trump is the person who gives out work visa's?  Fascinating 

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14 hours ago, kfools said:

So if I have this right....you are suggesting Hitler wouldn't of come to power and WW2 wouldn't have happened if he couldn't appeal to the religious nature of his people?

 

Yes.

 

Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration.  Had Stalin Hitler inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case.  Stalin Hitler merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism National Socialism.  Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin Hitler wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism Nazism.  https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/

 

Unless you can think of a morally relative religion.  Or any way to commit atrocities on a morally relative basis.

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2 hours ago, Bluenami said:

 

Yes.

 

Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration.  Had Stalin Hitler inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case.  Stalin Hitler merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism National Socialism.  Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin Hitler wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism Nazism.  https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/

 

Unless you can think of a morally relative religion.  Or any way to commit atrocities on a morally relative basis.

So then how does that tie in with the religious values of those who stopped Hitler?

 

Clearly those people also had a Christian culture.

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26 minutes ago, kfools said:

So then how does that tie in with the religious values of those who stopped Hitler?

 

Clearly those people also had a Christian culture.

 

Well, I think those who stopped Hitler were attacked and merely defending themselves, albeit the US was attacked by Japan, but the US people originally wanted nothing to do with the war until they were attacked.  Of course that leads to speculation about FDR colluding with Churchill and yada yada.

 

But anyway, my theory doesn't suggest that religious people cannot do good acts (like coming to the aid of other countries), but merely that to commit atrocities requires religion.  I don't see a way to rally a bunch of atheists together for a morally relative cause.  Self-defense is another matter.  Eradication of a disease maybe.  But eradication of a particular breed of people?  I don't see why morally relative people would do that since there is no absolute standard of "superiority".  If there is no absolute superior trait, then how can Aryans have it?

 

I appreciate the levelheaded questions btw!

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2 hours ago, Bluenami said:

 

Well, I think those who stopped Hitler were attacked and merely defending themselves, albeit the US was attacked by Japan, but the US people originally wanted nothing to do with the war until they were attacked.  Of course that leads to speculation about FDR colluding with Churchill and yada yada.

 

But anyway, my theory doesn't suggest that religious people cannot do good acts (like coming to the aid of other countries), but merely that to commit atrocities requires religion.

What religion were the Japanese committing atrocities in the name of?

2 hours ago, Bluenami said:

  I don't see a way to rally a bunch of atheists together for a morally relative cause.  Self-defense is another matter.  Eradication of a disease maybe.  But eradication of a particular breed of people?  I don't see why morally relative people would do that since there is no absolute standard of "superiority".  If there is no absolute superior trait, then how can Aryans have it?

 

I appreciate the levelheaded questions btw!

Aren't atheists willing to go extremes in the name of global warming and abortion?

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