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2 minutes ago, bigsky said:

you kill them so they dont corrupt the society....we need to kill all dems.

calling for death brings folks asking questions

 

some of them on your side.. some of them not

 

Why the persecuted Jews couldn't phucking fight I will never understand

 

I would at least try to stab somebody with a paper clip or something before I walked into the gas chamber

 

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1 minute ago, Bluenami said:

 

The book of life written BEFORE the foundation of the world.  What does that tell ya?  Did you CHOOSE to get on that list?  What free will? LOL

 

And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

you saying yer being forced to follow God?

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1 minute ago, bigsky said:

you saying yer being forced to follow God?

There is no God

 

maybe on the movies.. George Burns

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4 minutes ago, jerra- said:

So now, kill all the boys, and kill everywoman who has had relations with a man,18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man

God told people to be fruitful and multiply, and then he tells his  Chosen People to KILL women who had attempted to be fruitful and multiply.

The Jehovah character was clearly more of an A-hole than an all knowing Good Guy.

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4 minutes ago, Bluenami said:

 

The book of life written BEFORE the foundation of the world.  What does that tell ya?  Did you CHOOSE to get on that list?  What free will? LOL

The author of the Bible knows when the alleged "Book of Life" was written because he watched God write it, hunh?

 

And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

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11 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

God told people to be fruitful and multiply, and then he tells his  Chosen People to KILL women who had attempted to be fruitful and multiply.

The Jehovah character was clearly more of an A-hole than an all knowing Good Guy.

 

exactly why Christ said not to put the new wine into old wine skins.

 

 

from matthew 9

 

17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

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2 minutes ago, Chiseler said:
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Start a war for revenge?  That's righteousness ain't it?

 

Can you cite example of war started for those reasons?

 

You start a war because you want something.  So what would you want?  Well, either something tangible or intangible.  You either want the gold and women, or you want something else.  That something else is righteousness.

 

Ooh jeez bluenami said it so it must be true guys.

I'm all set with your relocated goalpost 

 

 

Do you honestly think that's a sensible response to my question?  I feel like I'm arguing with a bot programmed to anticipate my response and spit-out replies only loosely connected to the topic.

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1 minute ago, jerra- said:

 

exactly why Christ said not to put the new wine into old wine skins.

Yeah, let's kill all these innocent women  because in a thousand years or so in the future,  Jesus is going to offer advice on wine-making.

Making wine in skins sounds utterly disgusting. Yech!

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12 minutes ago, Five By Five said:

There is no God

 

maybe on the movies.. George Burns

Or Morgan Freeman

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Yeah, let's kill all these innocent women  because in a thousand years or so in the future,  Jesus is going to offer advice on wine-making.

Making wine in skins sounds utterly disgusting. Yech!

 

no, he was saying not to to include the teachings of the old testament

with the new testament, lest everything is ruined, and looking back thru history,

 that is exactly what happened.

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13 minutes ago, bigsky said:

you saying yer being forced to follow God?

 

You implied there is free will, that you can choose whether to have your name in the book of life, but I don't think Jesus agreed when he recited that parable of the sower and according to John's vision in revelation the book existed before the world, so how can you choose to be in it?

 

Then in Romans 9 there is the bit about god making Pharaoh to be destroyed to glorify himself; to show his power!

 

 

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

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7 hours ago, Bluenami said:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

 

I'll highlight just a few:

Mein Kampf (1925-1926)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (p. 65)

This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief. (p. 152)

And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. (p. 174)

His [the Jewish person's] life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took to the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. (p. 307)

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. (p. 383)

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. (p. 562)

As far as this variety of ‘folkish’ warriors, are concerned, I can only wish the National Socialist movement and the German people with all my heart: "Lord, preserve us from such friends, and then we can easily deal with our enemies." (p. 565)

Since Germany never defends herself, except by a few flaming protests on the part of our parliamentary elite, and the rest of the world has no reason for fighting in our defense, and as a matter of principle God does not make cowardly nations free... (p. 622)

For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’ (pp. 632-633)

Public speeches

1922

The national regime will concede and safeguard to the Christian confessions the influence due them, in school and education. It is concerned with the sincere cooperation of church and state. The struggle against a materialistic philosophy for the creation of a true folk community serves the interests of the German nation as well as our Christian belief.

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.

I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .

As a human being it is my duty to see to it that humanity will not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did that old civilization two thousand years ago, a civilization which was driven to its ruin by the Jews. . . I am convinced that I am really a devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as Christ did two thousand years ago, against those who are steeling and exploiting these poverty-stricken people.

1925

It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.

1928

We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity … in fact our movement is Christian.

1933

January 30, 1933 — Hitler is named Chancellor of Germany

May God Almighty give our work His blessing, strengthen our purpose, and endow us with wisdom and the trust of our people, for we are fighting not for ourselves but for Germany.

The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity.

If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.

The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life.

The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them.

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were. [...] I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.

National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.

The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.

1934

Finally, I would like to say something to those people who keep talking to me about religion: I am also religious, profoundly religious on the inside, and I believe that Providence weighs us human beings.

The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.

There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.

The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.

1935

It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection.... May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.

1938

Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies, is the charge that the National Socialist State is a hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration: 1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted. 2. The National Socialist State since 30 January 1933 from public monies derived from taxation through the organs of the State has placed at the disposal of both Churches the following sums:
In the fiscal year 1933 130 million Reichsmark
In the fiscal year 1934 170 million Reichsmark
In the fiscal year 1935 250 million Reichsmark
In the fiscal year 1936 320 million Reichsmark
In the fiscal year 1937 400 million Reichsmark
In the fiscal year 1938 500 million Reichsmark

It is therefore, to put it mildly; effrontery when especially foreign politicians make bold to speak of hostility to religion in the Third Reich. But if it be true that the German Churches regard this position as intolerable, that the National Socialist State is at any time ready to undertake a clear separation between Church and State as is already the case in France, America and other countries, I would allow myself only one question: 'What contributions during the same period have France, England or the United States made through the State from the public funds?'"

The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever excised any influence upon the form of a a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion. 

It is however true that if priests, instead of being servants of God, prefer to regard as their mission the abuse of our present Reich, it's institutions or it's leaders, then the National Socialist State will relentlessly force them to realize that no one will be suffered to destroy this State, and that priests so soon as they set themselves beyond the law will by the law be brought to account precisely in the same way as any other German citizen.

This State has only once intervened in the internal regulation of the Churches, that is when I myself in 1933 endeavoured to unite the weak and divided Protestant Churches of the different States into one great and powerful Evangelical Church of the Reich.

1942

Thus the home-front need not be warned, and the prayer of this priest of the devil, the wish that Europe may be punished with Bolshevism, will not be fulfilled, but rather that the prayer may be fulfilled: "Lord God, give us the strength that we may retain our liberty for our children and our children's children, not only for ourselves but also for the other peoples of Europe, for this is a war which we all wage, this time, not for our German people alone, it is a war for all of Europe and with it, in the long run, for all of mankind."

1943

I, too, am religious; that is, religious deep inside, and I believe that Providence weighs us human beings, and that he who is unable to pass the test of Providence but is destroyed by it has not been destined for greater things.

1944

I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.

The bomb which was planted by Colonel Count von Stauffenberg burst two metres to my right. It very seriously injured a number of associates dear to me; one of them has died. I myself am completely uninjured except for some very small scrapes, bruises or burns. I regard it as a confirmation of my assignment from Providence to continue to pursue my life's goal as I have done hitherto.

I thank Providence and my Creator, not for saving my life, but for making it possible for me to endure my cares and pursue the task which my conscience commands me.

1945

God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we are defending His work.

Private statements

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so. - Adolf Hitler in 1941 to General Gerhard Engel. In John Toland (1992). Adolf Hitler. New York: Anchor Publishing, p. 507.

The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element. - Speer, Albert (1997). Inside the Third Reich. New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 95.

Through me the Evangelical [Protestant] Church could become the established church, as in England. - Speer, Albert (1997). Inside the Third Reich. New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 95.

Truth in action:

Hitler required everyone to swear an oath by God to the Reich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_oath

The German Army belt buckles said GOTT MIT UNS which means GOD WITH US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

The very very first treaty Hitler made was with the Vatican, exchanging political control of Germany for Catholic control of education. He himself said "This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie."

The Church celebrated the birthday of Hitler every year until his death, on the orders of the vatican.

The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Protestants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

For this reason Historian Richard Steigmann-Gall argues that "nominal church membership is a very unreliable gauge of actual piety in this context" and determining someone's actual religious convictions should be based on other criteria. It is important to keep this 'official aspect' in mind when turning to such questions as the religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler or these of Joseph Goebbels. Both men had ceased to attend Catholic mass or to go to confession long before 1933, but neither had officially left the Church and neither of them refused to pay his church taxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

Over 50% of the SS were confessing catholics, but none were excommunicated from the church except one: for the crime of marrying a protestant. It would seem therefore that genocide doesn't merit the punishment of marrying protestants.

 

 

And if after all this the objection remains that Hitler was an atheist going to incredible lengths to lie, both in his own book and in speeches spanning a decade, then that assertion would only serve to prove that religion must have been required to achieve Hitler's goal of exterminating the Jews.

 

 

 

So how are you trying to tie this together exactly?

 

Are you saying Hitler hated Jews because he was a Christian?

 

Or that he hated Jews and also was a Christian?

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7 hours ago, Bluenami said:

 

And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

 

So where are all those saying Hitler was atheist?  Explain please.

 

May as well get Stalin out of the way too:

 

Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration.  Had Stalin inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case.  Stalin merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism.  Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism.  https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/

Hitler acts like most Demonrats now days, they use Christianity to get elected, then they do the exact opposite of that of a real Christian.

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28 minutes ago, Bluenami said:

 

 

Do you honestly think that's a sensible response to my question?  I feel like I'm arguing with a bot programmed to anticipate my response and spit-out replies only loosely connected to the topic.

Nazis, hate, paranoia

Lol says the guy whose op was copied and pasted

 

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So now socialist hitlers words speak louder than his actions?  Wouldn't that standard make him absolutely a socialist?

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Just now, kfools said:

So how are you trying to tie this together exactly?

 

Are you saying Hitler hated Jews because he was a Christian?

 

Or that he hated Jews and also was a Christian?

 

Good questions!

 

My opinion is that Hitler began Christian, as most atheists do.  His Mein Kampf is filled with appeals to Christianity and his speeches were consistently fill with proclamations of Christianity.  He retained his church membership, paid his taxes, never renounced or was excommunicated.  I don't have any reason to believe he wasn't Christian during that time, but at Hitler's Table Talk, nearer the time of his death, he spoke less favorably of religion in general:

 

Trying to take a long view of things, is it conceivable that one could found anything durable on falsehood ? When I think of our people's future, I must look further than immediate advantages, even [p. 59] if these advantages were to last three hundred, five hundred years or more. I'm convinced that any pact with the Church can offer only a provisional benefit, for sooner or later the scientific spirit will disclose the harmful character of such a compromise. Thus the State will have based its existence on a foundation that one day will collapse. An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the State, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science. That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions. I've thus prevented my Catholic and Protestant supporters from forming groups against one another, and inadvertently knocking each other out with the Bible and the sprinkler. So we never became involved with these Churches' forms of worship. And if that has momentarily made my task a little more difficult, at least I've never run the risk of carrying grist to my opponents' mill. The help we would have provisionally obtained from a concordat would have quickly become a burden on us. In any case, the main thing is to be clever in this matter and not to look for a struggle where it can be avoided. So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the [p. 60] stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.


Midday 14th October 1941; pp. 58-60.

 

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler's_Table_Talk

 

So he derided the atheist as a dumb animal, as Einstein did actually, for lacking transcendental outlook, but Hitler also obviously didn't believe in Christianity; it was a tool.  That is my point: religion and religious people are required to commit atrocities and Hitler knew that.  Now, whether he knew that as far back as 1925 when he wrote his book, idk and there is no way to know.

 

Hatred of the Jews probably came as a result of the morality he was instilled with due to living in a Christian society.  He didn't like what he considered the filth of the Jews' sexuality and apparent lack of morality, kinda like hollywood today and the homosexual displays on tv, etc.  It conflicted with his moral absolutism, which is a requirement of righteousness.  Then he probably reasoned they were genetically inferior and found an ally in Jesus.

 

The point is that none of that could have happened if the people weren't Christian (or some religion to be used as a tool of manipulation).

 

I'm trying to tie absolutism, religion, authoritarianism (and obviously traditionalism and conservatism fall under that heading) all altogether; the whole shebang.

 

Are there any morally relative religions?  Are there any that are equipped to commit atrocities on a morally relative basis?  If not, then absolutism is prerequisite to atrocity and religion is the ally.  Hitler knew that, but he obviously couldn't see it in himself.

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5 minutes ago, Bluenami said:

 

Good questions!

 

My opinion is that Hitler began Christian, as most atheists do.  His Mein Kampf is filled with appeals to Christianity and his speeches were consistently fill with proclamations of Christianity.  He retained his church membership, paid his taxes, never renounced or was excommunicated.  I don't have any reason to believe he wasn't Christian during that time, but at Hitler's Table Talk, nearer the time of his death, he spoke less favorably of religion in general:

 

Trying to take a long view of things, is it conceivable that one could found anything durable on falsehood ? When I think of our people's future, I must look further than immediate advantages, even [p. 59] if these advantages were to last three hundred, five hundred years or more. I'm convinced that any pact with the Church can offer only a provisional benefit, for sooner or later the scientific spirit will disclose the harmful character of such a compromise. Thus the State will have based its existence on a foundation that one day will collapse. An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the State, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science. That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions. I've thus prevented my Catholic and Protestant supporters from forming groups against one another, and inadvertently knocking each other out with the Bible and the sprinkler. So we never became involved with these Churches' forms of worship. And if that has momentarily made my task a little more difficult, at least I've never run the risk of carrying grist to my opponents' mill. The help we would have provisionally obtained from a concordat would have quickly become a burden on us. In any case, the main thing is to be clever in this matter and not to look for a struggle where it can be avoided. So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the [p. 60] stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.


Midday 14th October 1941; pp. 58-60.

 

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler's_Table_Talk

 

So he derided the atheist as a dumb animal, as Einstein did actually, for lacking transcendental outlook, but Hitler also obviously didn't believe in Christianity; it was a tool.  That is my point: religion and religious people are required to commit atrocities and Hitler knew that.  Now, whether he knew that as far back as 1925 when he wrote his book, idk and there is no way to know.

 

Hatred of the Jews probably came as a result of the morality he was instilled with due to living in a Christian society.  He didn't like what he considered the filth of the Jews' sexuality and apparent lack of morality, kinda like hollywood today and the homosexual displays on tv, etc.  It conflicted with his moral absolutism, which is a requirement of righteousness.  Then he probably reasoned they were genetically inferior and found an ally in Jesus.

 

The point is that none of that could have happened if the people weren't Christian (or some religion to be used as a tool of manipulation).

 

I'm trying to tie absolutism, religion, authoritarianism (and obviously traditionalism and conservatism fall under that heading) all altogether; the whole shebang.

 

Are there any morally relative religions?  Are there any that are equipped to commit atrocities on a morally relative basis?  If not, then absolutism is prerequisite to atrocity and religion is the ally.  Hitler knew that, but he obviously couldn't see it in himself.

So if I have this right....you are suggesting Hitler wouldn't of come to power and WW2 wouldn't have happened if he couldn't appeal to the religious nature of his people?

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10 minutes ago, kfools said:

So if I have this right....you are suggesting Hitler wouldn't of come to power and WW2 wouldn't have happened if he couldn't appeal to the religious nature of his people?

He appealed to his people through the promise of economic prosperity and a classless society and by demonizing a group he saw as privileged.  Sound like any socialists you know?

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2 hours ago, bigsky said:

I am basing this answer off of reading yer stupid title...

hitler was an occultist.

Yep.

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5 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

He appealed to his people through the promise of economic prosperity and a classless society and by demonizing a group he saw as privileged.  Sound like any orange menace you know?

Hitler did create prosperity for the people temporarily. Under Trump the rich are getting richer and the peasants are working more hours for less when you figure in inflation cause by Trump's massive debt.

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18 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Hitler did create prosperity for the people temporarily. Under Trump the rich are getting richer and the peasants are working more hours for less when you figure in inflation cause by Trump's massive debt.

Lol, the peasants he says.

No timmy, they aren't making less.  D- for effort. That really took a lot of mental gymnastics just to fail miserably. 

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2 minutes ago, Chiseler said:

Lol, the peasants he says.

No timmy, they aren't making less.  D- for effort. That really took a lot of effort and mental gymnastics just to fail.

Prove it liar. 

 

More Americans working more than one job to make ends meet ...

I love bitch slapping you liar. You even suck at lying. What a loser you are.

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1 minute ago, BlueDoggL said:

Prove it liar. 

 

More Americans working more than one job to make ends meet ...

I love bitch slapping you liar. You even suck at lying. What a loser you are.

Ya there are more jobs, that doesn't mean they are making less. Timmy you sound really cranky, why dont you go take a nap.

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7 hours ago, Bluenami said:

 

Probably authoritarian conservative boards, no doubt.  Definitely not free speech defenders you're bragging about.

 

Just because conservative idol Hitler was finally exposed for the bible-thumper he was doesn't mean you should get your Depends in a knot.

 

Hitler privatized welfare (how many conservatives are drooling over that?).

Hitler sold all government-owned entities to corporations.

Hitler criminalized poverty and rewarded the rich.

Hitler prohibited homosexuality and abortion.

Hitler engaged in capital punishment.

Hitler subjugated women.

Hitler facilitated and encouraged blind submission to authority.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

 

Hitler was a conservative's dream come true!  Every Trumptard here would have voted for him.

 

And he lost the popular vote as well.

How true! The White Nationalists all worship Bad wordler, and claim to be Christians!

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2 hours ago, Chiseler said:

Ya there are more jobs, that doesn't mean they are making less. Timmy you sound really cranky, why dont you go take a nap.

So they are slaving and neglecting their family just for the fun of it. You are a fukking moron.

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