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***Bombshell Report***Bernie Sanders in the 1970s urged nationalization of most major industries (CNN)

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5 minutes ago, splunch said:

I think the goal, like that of the sok population in general, is just to isolate and piss people off, drive them into camps and then try to manipulate them from there, fragment public opinion in general.  Divided we fall.

 

That's why they work so relentlessly to marginalize Elizabeth Warren.  She isn't about pissing everybody off, she wants rational and popular reforms to markets and healthcare that most people agree with (they just do).  She's the anti-troll.  There is nothing for them to grab onto except Trump calling her Pocahontas.  They may as well be demanding her birth certificate.

I definitely agree, splunch.  :)  I think LIz Warren is excellent.   I would have no problem voting for her if she is nominated.   She and Bernie are very similar on this issues.

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1 minute ago, SpyCar said:

 

All Democrats want a Big Tent. Me included.

 

LBJ once said it is better to have people on the inside of the tent pissing out than to have them outside pissing in.

 

What he didn't anticipate was people like you who come inside and piss in.

 

YOU are an enemy of my party. YOUR socialist ideology is incompatible with liberalism and you expect that the Democrats are going to bend to your lunatic fringe. 

 

News to YOU: It ain't gonna happen.

 

So you can vote for a liberal progressive Democrat or you can help Trump, like you did last time. 

 

I have no hope you will change. YOU are an azzhole.

 

Bill

You have an odd way of bringing people into your tent, "Bill".  It seems a lot like the approach I might use to, oh, I dunno...drive people out of the tent.  Odd.

 

Bernie's use of the term "socialism" aside, the fact is his agenda isn't going to become law if he wins, and even if he were President and 50 progressive Democrats took seats in the Senate and House, he wouldn't be capable of transforming America in anything like the sweeping evil way you like to sell online.  Worst case scenario, progress on cleaning up Wall Street and moving towards a better healthcare system, while possibly stepping back from a war zone or two, is on the table.  

 

Just what exactly do you think somebody like Bernie would do?  No, not "he's a dang socialist die Bernie!!!"  What EXACTLY do you think a Bernie POTUS would do that would be so terrible that you-- supposedly a Democrat --would go to war and incite a split among Democrats that would unquestionably lead to 4 more years of Trump if Bernie emerges as the front-runner in the primary?

 

Exactly.

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I am a republican by nature however the party has been a takeover victim by the Fascist Libertarian Fundamentalist group. Most republicans don't seem to care.

 

 nationalization of the energy industry, public ownership of banks, telephone, electric, and drug companies WOULD NOT be a bad idea as 

owners would be the users and users would be the managers.

 

And take a look at these items: People need these items and all of these receive large tax dollar subsidies and taxpayer bailouts. So it seems nationalization has taken place therefore

these tenants should be evicted immediately and all be managed without CEO's and BOD's.

 

Socialism is an economic theory of social organization that believes that the means of making, moving, and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the community as a whole.

 

Socialism produces a surge of economic growth steadily thus job growth thus sensible management of budgets INSTEAD of reckless destructive economic behavior that which conservatives seem to thrive at great expense to the middle class revenue producing machine.

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15 minutes ago, splunch said:

You have an odd way of bringing people into your tent, "Bill".  It seems a lot like the approach I might use to, oh, I dunno...drive people out of the tent.  Odd.

 

Bernie's use of the term "socialism" aside, the fact is his agenda isn't going to become law if he wins, and even if he were President and 50 progressive Democrats took seats in the Senate and House, he wouldn't be capable of transforming America in anything like the sweeping evil way you like to sell online.  Worst case scenario, progress on cleaning up Wall Street and moving towards a better healthcare system, while possibly stepping back from a war zone or two, is on the table.  

 

Just what exactly do you think somebody like Bernie would do?  No, not "he's a dang socialist die Bernie!!!"  What EXACTLY do you think a Bernie POTUS would do that would be so terrible that you-- supposedly a Democrat --would go to war and incite a split among Democrats that would unquestionably lead to 4 more years of Trump if Bernie emerges as the front-runner in the primary?

 

Exactly.

 

You are a Jonny-come-lately Splunch. I tried, again and again, to cool out the attacks on my party's presumptive nominee, especially after BS was mathematically eliminated. I urged people like RR to join the Democratic coalition. I was told to f*ck off.

 

Most of the idiots in the LO room at the time did not vote, voted Green, or wrote in BS.

 

I'm done trying to convince azzholes not to help re-elect Trump. Either they understand the consequences and act to stop him or they do what they did the last time. Out of my hands.

 

I am not willing to support a guy with dictatorial tendencies who avows socialist expropriation of property without compensation because he'd be "limited" in his ambitions by the Constitution and our political institutions. We already have a dictator wanna-be provoking Constitutional crises. I have no desire for Democrats to mirror the extremism of today's Republican party.

 

Don't dare question my Democratic Party bona fides. I've voted in every election in which I've been eligible and always vote Democrat. 

 

BS will never be the nominee of our party. He isn't even a member of our party. His aim is to undermine and subvert the Democratic Party and attempt to turn it into a Democratic Socialist party. Elizabeth Warren is run in large measure to stop BS. She is emphatic in declaring: "I am not a Democratic Socialist." The lunatic fringe will not prevail.

 

Bill

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Newsflash: Bernie Sanders hold a rally at 100-year-old black church in North Carolina.

 

1600 people show up. 40 of whom are black. LOL.

 

African Americans are not going to forget BS calling their civil rights struggles "identity politics" or how he comforted racist votes who were uncomfortable voting for a black man for Governor in Florida.

 

Give it up Berners. 

 

Bill

 

 

 

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On 3/14/2019 at 2:13 PM, Zaro said:

The point being??????

 

STFU DFC !

 

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On 3/14/2019 at 2:13 PM, Zaro said:

The point being??????

The point being he's a socialist disquised as a democratic socialist...

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On 3/20/2019 at 12:36 PM, RollingRock said:

I definitely agree, splunch.  :)  I think LIz Warren is excellent.   I would have no problem voting for her if she is nominated.   She and Bernie are very similar on this issues.

Why didn't Warren endorse Sanders in 2016?

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Bernie was WAY ahead of the curve.

The Constitution is CRYSTAL- clear.

It's "We the People"....not "We the Corporations."

 

We'll all know when America TRULY becomes "exceptional."

This will be when the Wealthiest Nation on Planet Earth takes care of its citizens FIRST AND FOREMOST, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, affording ALL Americans with the HIGHEST Standard of Living, Life Expectancy, and Happiness outcomes in the Western World. This will be when we grant an astonishingly-HIGH Minimum Living Standard Income for even the lowliest, sickest, homeless folks out on the streets, and the beginning income for ANYONE who works 40 hours a week after Age 18 is somewhere around a minimum of $25 per hour in the poorest, lowest-cost RED States, and adjusted UPWARD for the States where the cost of food, shelter, fuel, and medicine is higher. 

 

There is certainly plenty of money to be drawn from America's Annual $20,000,000,000 GDP. The grossly-unfair Wage Gap was always inevitable once we allowed the highest paid folks to determine not only how much THEY got paid, but how little they could get away with paying their lowest-ranked workers.  

A society that pays its people by applying a wage range that starts at $8 bucks per hour at the bottom and tops out at $500 million per year at the top end cannot possibly sustain itself, long term, which is EXACTLY why we have a stupendously-horrific Wage Gap between the Haves and the Have-Nots.

EVERY economic system has a FATAL flaw, and Capitalism's flaw is that we foolishly keep pretending that human greed and selfishness would not terminally-contaminate any sense of Real World wage proportion or reality-based compensation, based on ACTUAL VALUE delivered to the Organization. If a CEO pays his people the absolute legal minimum and isn't punished by the Consumer Base, another million CEOs will instantly do the same........creating a monopolistic cabal that permanently establishes a Slave Wage Class of workers.

We need to immediately limit the top CEO salary to a maximum of 25x what the lowest-paid workers are paid at each Organization......like it was back in the 1960's, and suddenly, just like back then, ONE MODERATELY-PAID MIDDLE-INCOME WAGE EARNER can support a family of four, buy a small house, send two kids to college, and save a modest amount each Pay Period to create a self-created Retirement Pension to supplement Social Security.

  

FACT: In 2019 dollars, NO HUMAN BEINGS is worth less than $50,000 per year. NO HUMAN BEING can possibly deliver enough value to ANY Organization that merits salaries of more than $10,000,000 per year.  There are limits to what one human being can produce.

In fact, it is impossible to name one established, competent corporation that would NOT survive quite nicely, COMPLETELY WITHOUT their CEO for a year.

But it is impossible to name one Organization that can keep their doors open a week WITHOUT their lowest-paid, front-line employees....the "scrub" workers that interact directly with the customers, and are 100% responsible for branding the organization, creating the profit, and maintaining the loyalty of the entire Customer Base. 

 

What would America look like if no employee could be paid less than $25 per hour and no employer could be paid more than $10M per year? This is easy to answer: it would look like 1955 America.

 

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Some industries should be nationalized such as health insurance, lending industry and utilities. The only jobs that would be lost are over paid CEO's and BOD's.

 

Groceries throughout the USA should have zero sales tax.

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4 hours ago, Fit2Serve said:

Bernie was WAY ahead of the curve.

The Constitution is CRYSTAL- clear.

It's "We the People"....not "We the Corporations."

 

We'll all know when America TRULY becomes "exceptional."

This will be when the Wealthiest Nation on Planet Earth takes care of its citizens FIRST AND FOREMOST, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, affording ALL Americans with the HIGHEST Standard of Living, Life Expectancy, and Happiness outcomes in the Western World. This will be when we grant an astonishingly-HIGH Minimum Living Standard Income for even the lowliest, sickest, homeless folks out on the streets, and the beginning income for ANYONE who works 40 hours a week after Age 18 is somewhere around a minimum of $25 per hour in the poorest, lowest-cost RED States, and adjusted UPWARD for the States where the cost of food, shelter, fuel, and medicine is higher. 

 

There is certainly plenty of money to be drawn from America's Annual $20,000,000,000 GDP. The grossly-unfair Wage Gap was always inevitable once we allowed the highest paid folks to determine not only how much THEY got paid, but how little they could get away with paying their lowest-ranked workers.  

A society that pays its people by applying a wage range that starts at $8 bucks per hour at the bottom and tops out at $500 million per year at the top end cannot possibly sustain itself, long term, which is EXACTLY why we have a stupendously-horrific Wage Gap between the Haves and the Have-Nots.

EVERY economic system has a FATAL flaw, and Capitalism's flaw is that we foolishly keep pretending that human greed and selfishness would not terminally-contaminate any sense of Real World wage proportion or reality-based compensation, based on ACTUAL VALUE delivered to the Organization. If a CEO pays his people the absolute legal minimum and isn't punished by the Consumer Base, another million CEOs will instantly do the same........creating a monopolistic cabal that permanently establishes a Slave Wage Class of workers.

We need to immediately limit the top CEO salary to a maximum of 25x what the lowest-paid workers are paid at each Organization......like it was back in the 1960's, and suddenly, just like back then, ONE MODERATELY-PAID MIDDLE-INCOME WAGE EARNER can support a family of four, buy a small house, send two kids to college, and save a modest amount each Pay Period to create a self-created Retirement Pension to supplement Social Security.

  

FACT: In 2019 dollars, NO HUMAN BEINGS is worth less than $50,000 per year. NO HUMAN BEING can possibly deliver enough value to ANY Organization that merits salaries of more than $10,000,000 per year.  There are limits to what one human being can produce.

In fact, it is impossible to name one established, competent corporation that would NOT survive quite nicely, COMPLETELY WITHOUT their CEO for a year.

But it is impossible to name one Organization that can keep their doors open a week WITHOUT their lowest-paid, front-line employees....the "scrub" workers that interact directly with the customers, and are 100% responsible for branding the organization, creating the profit, and maintaining the loyalty of the entire Customer Base. 

 

What would America look like if no employee could be paid less than $25 per hour and no employer could be paid more than $10M per year? This is easy to answer: it would look like 1955 America.

 

 

BS is in the "vanguard of the revolution."

 

Sort of like Lenin and Stalin.

 

Bill

 

 

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On 3/20/2019 at 1:04 PM, SpyCar said:

You are a Jonny-come-lately Splunch. I tried, again and again, to cool out the attacks on my party's presumptive nominee, especially after BS was mathematically eliminated. I urged people like RR to join the Democratic coalition. I was told to f*ck off.

I didn't tell you to "Bad word off."  That's a blatant lie.  I simply told you I wasn't going to vote for Hillary.  I told you I wouldn't give my vote to someone who takes hundreds of millions in donations from big business, big insurance, and big pharma.  It's a stance I was 100% consistent about. 

 

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Most of the idiots in the LO room at the time did not vote, voted Green, or wrote in BS.

Because the Dems put up a candidate that many couldn't support and didn't trust. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, RollingRock said:

I didn't tell you to "Bad word off."  That's a blatant lie.  I simply told you I wasn't going to vote for Hillary.  I told you I wouldn't give my vote to someone who takes hundreds of millions in donations from big business, big insurance, and big pharma.  It's a stance I was 100% consistent about. 

 

Because the Dems put up a candidate that many couldn't support and didn't trust. 

 

 

 

LOL. You are a damned liar. Everyone knows that you are unscrupulous and will tell any lie to advance your socialist revolution.

 

FU!

 

Bill

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