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The difference between us and them is much greater than the debate between small government vs big government or tax rates, or gay marriage or abortion, or gay rights or womens' rights. All that can be worked out civilly if only they didn't lie and if only they has civility. 

 

There was a time when Democrats would fight tooth and nail over an issue but in the end they show respect like to prize fighters at the end of a bout. 

 

If you have ever boxed and your opponent keeps hitting you with low blows and the ref won't stop it your only recourse is to return the low blows. 

 

If you were ever picked on by a bully and you followed the advice of ignoring that bully you probably found that the bully only got bolder and ramped up the torment. If someone came along and beat the snot out of the bully, the bully would melt the way he wanted you to melt. When Jesus took a whip and cleared the temple of the money changers, there was no turning the other cheek. Turning the other cheek only applies to disputes with other Christians. Never offer your other cheek to a MAGAt unless you want to get hit.

 

We Really Are Better Than Them

 

They profess to be Christians. We are Christian in our ethics and morals.

 

They pray when a tragedy happens. We take action and help the victims and work to prevent tragedies. e.g. the school shooting and climate change

 

They pray for things and outcomes. We don't second guess God.

 

They worship God. We don't suck up to God.

 

They really follow Ayn Rand. We follow the ethics and morals of Christ without even knowing we are.

 

They hate authority. We question but respect authority.

 

They make a show of their faith. We don't.

 

They are greedy. We aren't.

 

We see people of different beliefs, skin color, sexual preference as our brothers and sisters. They don't.

 

 

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This is stereotyping, and as such is just as bad saying "All Blacks are <fill in stereotype>". It's divisive and harmful.

 

4 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

We see people of different beliefs, skin color, sexual preference as our brothers and sisters. They don't.

 

Everyone else in this forum should see that you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. This sentence exemplifies that. Being divisive while accusing others of being divisive.

 

4 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

When Jesus took a whip and cleared the temple of the money changers, there was no turning the other cheek. Turning the other cheek only applies to disputes with other Christians. Never offer your other cheek to a MAGAt unless you want to get hit.

 

You've shown here is that the bible is inconsistent, and can therefore be used to further any goal, good or evil, depending on what you emphasize.

 

If it is to be understood as you claim, as applying only to Christians, that would make Jesus' pronouncement vanishingly narrow and stupid, since at the time he said it, Christianity wasn't even a religion yet.

 

As to who it really applies to ... let's quote directly from the King James Version, Matthew 5:

 

"[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

 

So it applies to those who commit evil.

 

You have never addressed why you took a handle so similar to an existing member. You started out with rudeness, continued with divisiveness, and now what? ... Twisting religion for your unsavory purposes.

 

BlueDoggL you are a fake, stirring up hatred with these "them versus us" diatribes. Which foreign entity is paying you?

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9 hours ago, laripu said:

This is stereotyping, and as such is just as bad saying "All Blacks are <fill in stereotype>". It's divisive and harmful.

 

If it is true it is not a stereotype.

9 hours ago, laripu said:

Everyone else in this forum should see that you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. This sentence exemplifies that. Being divisive while accusing others of being divisive.

We are already divided just like in the first civil way. They hate Christian values. They support a profoundly evil man. They are immoral and indefensible. If you think we can sit around and sing Kumbaya with people who support treason, lying, objectification of women, mocking of disabled people, a vulgar president, a con and a cheater you are 20 steps past naive.

9 hours ago, laripu said:

 

You've shown here is that the bible is inconsistent, and can therefore be used to further any goal, good or evil, depending on what you emphasize.

This in not about the Bible that was written by men and compiled by men. This is about the morals and ethics and teachings of Christ which are universal and transcend all faiths. Your attempt to redefine the original premise is suspect at best. Are you that allergic to reality?

9 hours ago, laripu said:

 

If it is to be understood as you claim, as applying only to Christians, that would make Jesus' pronouncement vanishingly narrow and stupid, since at the time he said it, Christianity wasn't even a religion yet.

This isn't about religion. This is about morality. This is about false Christianity and their hypocrisy and their total depravity. Christ is a concept that predates Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus is a fictional character that claimed to be the Christ. People either are Christian or they are not regardless what they call themselves. If you think MAGAts are confused, brainwashed or merely stupid you would be wrong.

 

Trump is a vulgar and treasonous liar and con man and they know it. The can't even deny it so they lie for him by attack good decent people like John McCain, Barack Obama, Mrs Obama, Barbara Bush, Hillary etc... They know Trump is indefensible and they try and defend him by attacking others with lies. They are not confused. They are beyond redemption. They reject truth and embrace lies and YOU know it so stop the denials and attacks and your lies about me.

9 hours ago, laripu said:

As to who it really applies to ... let's quote directly from the King James Version, Matthew 5:

 

"[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

 

So it applies to those who commit evil.

If you want to go Biblical try this scripture on for size. It sums up the MAGAts and it sums up most liberals.

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 <------Them.  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation. Jude 1:4  <------Them. 

 

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Ephesians.1:4-5  <-------- Most liberals

 

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Timothy1:9 <-------- Most liberals

 

9 hours ago, laripu said:

 

You have never addressed why you took a handle so similar to an existing member. You started out with rudeness, continued with divisiveness, and now what? ... Twisting religion for your unsavory purposes.

As you know LF is owned be person is Jerusalem Israel. As you know the Teacher is a rightie running a liberal forum. Connect the dots. This is a propaganda site for Russian troll and American propagandist traitors. There are 2,451,893 posts in NHB and 31, 165 in LO. Connect the dots! 

 

I scouted this forum thoroughly and I came here to parody the MAGAts. I know that others on the net will read what I wrote and think what I wrote was from a real MAGAt.  

 

Russia is about to collapse under Putin. All Russia has are nukes and propaganda and they are experts at it.

9 hours ago, laripu said:

 

BlueDoggL you are a fake, stirring up hatred with these "them versus us" diatribes. Which foreign entity is paying you?

Wake up Mary Poppins it is Them vs Us. It is Evil vs Good. That's what it was in the first civil war and that's what it is now. Don't try and pretend that you don't know that. 

 

Now for some questions for YOU.

 

Trump is a serial liar and the MAGAts know it. If they were moral why do they support him and lie for him? 

 

Trump is a serial womanizer who cheated on all his wives with hookers. If the MAGAts were the moral why would they attack Hillary and Bill for his cheating and give Trump a pass and then attack Hillary for Bill's cheating?

 

Trump has been a life long criminal and they know it. If the MAGAts were the moral why would they give Trump a pass?

 

Trump owns casinos and strip clubs. The MAGAts give him a pass. Would moral people do that?

 

Trump has no Christlike qualities, committed all of the 7 deadly sins and broke all the commandments and the MAGAts know that.  Would moral people support such a totally depraved person?

 

 

You calling me a fake looks suspicious. After all this forum is owned by a foreigner and run by a rightie. Here's the proof. http://acnow.net/liberalforum.org

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17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

If you think we can sit around and sing Kumbaya with people who support treason, lying, objectification of women, mocking of disabled people, a vulgar president, a con and a cheater you are 20 steps past naive.

 

This is an exaggeration of what I said. I never said anything about Kumbaya.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

This in not about the Bible that was written by men and compiled by men. This is about the morals and ethics and teachings of Christ which are universal and transcend all faiths.

 

Irrelevant. I'm an atheist. There are many ethical situations not handled by any religious book.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

This is about morality.

 

Judging from your posts, you have little.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

If you think MAGAts are confused, brainwashed or merely stupid you would be wrong.

 

All three in some cases. There are definitely Trump supporters that are a little dim and well-intentioned.  I know some.

 

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

If you want to go Biblical try this scripture on for size.

 

I do not. You went for religion first and in my previous post I showed you where you misquoted.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

As you know LF is owned be person is Jerusalem Israel.

 

So what?

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

As you know the Teacher is a rightie running a liberal forum.

 

So what?

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

This is a propaganda site for Russian troll and American propagandist traitors.

 

And you're a Russian troll.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

I scouted this forum thoroughly 

 

No doubt.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Russia is about to collapse under Putin. All Russia has are nukes and propaganda and they are experts at it.

 

Incorrect. Russia has oil and an incredibly well educated technical 

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Wake up Mary Poppins it is Them vs Us. It is Evil vs Good. That's what it was in the first civil war and that's what it is now. Don't try and pretend that you don't know that.

 

Stop lying, närrisch Naryshkin.

There is no hot war going on at present. Maybe a cyber war.  But even in the actual civil war there was nuance, which is why families that were split in the conflict were able to re-unite after the war.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Now for some questions for YOU.

 

Oh boy ! I get to play!

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Trump is a serial liar and the MAGAts know it. If they were moral why do they support him and lie for him? 

 

Because to quote Bob Dylan, "people don’t do what they believe in, they just do what’s most convenient, then they repent".

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Trump is a serial womanizer who cheated on all his wives with hookers. If the MAGAts were the moral why would they attack Hillary and Bill for his cheating and give Trump a pass and then attack Hillary for Bill's cheating?

 

They're not moral by understanding. But that's politics in America. Always has been.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Trump has been a life long criminal and they know it. If the MAGAts were the moral why would they give Trump a pass?

 

They're not moral by understanding. But they are consistent.  Because they see abortion as the worst evil and will tolerate anything to get conservative judges.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Trump owns casinos and strip clubs. The MAGAts give him a pass. Would moral people do that?

 

It depends on their morals.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Trump has no Christlike qualities, committed all of the 7 deadly sins and broke all the commandments and the MAGAts know that.  Would moral people support such a totally depraved person?

 

See the answer on abortion.  It's not my morality, but they're consistent with theirs.

 

17 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

You calling me a fake looks suspicious. After all this forum is owned by a foreigner and run by a rightie. Here's the proof. http://acnow.net/liberalforum.org

 

So what?

 

And that acnow site is not secure. When you search for it, lots of Chinese writing pops up.  They're from Hong Kong.

Check what Norton says about it: https://safeweb.norton.com/reviews?url=acnow.net

 

Yes, you are a bad person.

 

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2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

This is an exaggeration of what I said. I never said anything about Kumbaya.

It's an expression. If you think that the moral should associate with the immoral you need to think again. 

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

 

Irrelevant. I'm an atheist. There are many ethical situations not handled by any religious book.

 

Ayn Rand was also an atheist.  I don't think that the Bible is the final authority on everything nor do I think Jesus actually existed. Christianity is a way of live for me. It is not dogma.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

Judging from your posts, you have little.

And you have proof to back up that fact free statement. LOL!

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

All three in some cases. There are definitely Trump supporters that are a little dim and well-intentioned.  I know some.

 

Most stupid people still know right from wrong. Hillary got is wrong though. She said 50% were deplorable. It's closer to 100%.  As to the ones you "know", only God knows what is in their hearts. They believe lies. Even you know that. They are disdainful of truth, and even you know that. If they lie and support liars and if they support an immoral slime bucket like Trump it's not because they are stupid, it is because they are no damn good.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

I do not. You went for religion first and in my previous post I showed you where you misquoted.

Dream on.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

So what?

You think LF forum is kosher? You think that the fact that the admin is a MAGAt and it is owned by a foreigner is not suspicious. Wake up Mary Poppins.  

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

So what?

 

 

2 hours ago, laripu said:

And you're a Russian troll.

 

It's clear that are Russian or a Russian asset. You defend MAGAts.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

No doubt.

 

 

Incorrect. Russia has oil and an incredibly well educated technical 

Your support for mother Russia is quite telling comrade. When I bashed Russia you broke character. Russia is a toilet. Like the American south it has a low collective IQ. Russia is imploding morally and economically. It has the highest rate of alcoholism in the world. 

 

Russia's population is declining since Putin and the people who are leaving are the smart one. Sorry comrade, your country is dying. Russia sucks and it will always suck. The smart Russians leave for the West and they stupid ones stay. The brain drain continues.

 

Russia is a dismal country whose culture and arts left with the defectors from the 1950 to the present. You Russians have nothing. Your technology is crude and any thing that you do have is a poor copy of Western technology. You Russians can't even make household appliances. 

 

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

Stop lying, närrisch Naryshkin.

There is no hot war going on at present. Maybe a cyber war. 

Comrade this is not at all convincing. "Maybe a cyber war"? You've blown your cover again. There is a massive propaganda war and it is coming from Russia. You seem to be a top Russian troll and I'm just a retired businessman and I've figured you out very quickly. Keep up the charade. This is fun.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

But even in the actual civil war there was nuance, which is why families that were split in the conflict were able to re-unite after the war.

If there were an actual war an if it were fought with conventional weapons, the US and the allies would defeat Russia in a matter of months. We would then, occupy Russia and liberate the Russian people. We would execute Putin and his cronies and restore democracy. 

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

Oh boy ! I get to play!

 

 

Because to quote Bob Dylan, "people don’t do what they believe in, they just do what’s most convenient, then they repent".

I think he borrowed that from Russian propaganda. In American it would be, "When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." That is the credo of all dictators like Putin and Trump.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

They're not moral by understanding. But that's politics in America. Always has been.

 

 

They're not moral by understanding. But they are consistent.  Because they see abortion as the worst evil and will tolerate anything to get conservative judges.

They don't know that there is nothing in their Bible that prohibits abortion.  The Bible is pro-choice. If God didn't think abortion was OK, women would not have miscarriages. 

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

It depends on their morals.

Trump and morals is an oxymoron.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

See the answer on abortion.  It's not my morality, but they're consistent with theirs.

They are immoral and amoral. The are not consistent with the teaching, morals and ethics of Christ. You claim to be an atheist yet you claim to know about Christian morality. In order to know Christian morality one most study it and live it. MAGAts neither study it or live it but they claim it. That's evil and that is what evil does. Evil masquerades as good. That is exactly what Anti-Christ is.

2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

So what?

 

And that acnow site is not secure. When you search for it, lots of Chinese writing pops up.  They're from Hong Kong.

Check what Norton says about it: https://safeweb.norton.com/reviews?url=acnow.net

Teacher will admit that the site owners are in Israel. BTW, norton sucks and it gets reported as malware. Norton is attached to free downloads. Why Norton Sucks? - YouTube

2 hours ago, laripu said:

Yes, you are a bad person.

 

Say it in Russian comrade. 

 

FACT TIME!

Russia's Population Set to Decline From 143 Million Today to 111 Million in 2050. Today, Russia's population is approximately 143 million. The United States Census Bureau estimates that Russia's population will decline from the current 143 million to a mere 111 million by 2050, a loss of more than 30 million people and a decrease of more than 20%.

 

What Russia's Failing Economy Means For Putin's ... - HuffPost

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On 3/5/2019 at 3:33 AM, BlueDoggL said:

 

We Really Are Better Than Them

We are Christian in our ethics and morals.

We don't second guess God.
We don't suck up to God.

We follow the ethics and morals of Christ without even knowing we are.

 

On 3/5/2019 at 6:56 PM, BlueDoggL said:

This is about the morals and ethics and teachings of Christ which are universal and transcend all faiths.

 

On 3/5/2019 at 6:56 PM, BlueDoggL said:

The can't even deny it so they lie for him by attack good decent people like John McCain, Barack Obama, Mrs Obama, Barbara Bush, Hillary etc...

 

On 3/5/2019 at 6:56 PM, BlueDoggL said:

Wake up Mary Poppins it is Them vs Us. It is Evil vs Good.

 

5 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Christianity is a way of live for me.

 

5 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Evil masquerades as good. That is exactly what Anti-Christ is.

 

To me, you are "them".

So if they are evil, and evil masquerades as good, then they (you) may be the Anti-Christ, or whatever.

Or it could be you are just a miss-informed robot who believes in a celestial dictator.

Or, it could be your just a troll pretending to be a reasonable liberal, but failing miserably.

 

So yes, "we" are better than them, at least not as gullible.

 

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18 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

To me, you are "them".

So if they are evil, and evil masquerades as good, then they (you) may be the Anti-Christ, or whatever.

Or it could be you are just a miss-informed robot who believes in a celestial dictator.

Or, it could be your just a troll pretending to be a reasonable liberal, but failing miserably.

 

 

Saint Frank warned us 

with a puppy in a red dress.

If it's either them or us

It's going to make a big mess.

Ketchup on your sandwich,

wash it down with milk ...

but don't break bread with a trollster

or any other of that ilk.

All across this liberal nation

the Russian spreads Disinformation:

"Connect the dots!" he says,

throwing shade, and creating fog,

But dark shades and red dress

will not disguise that he's a dog.

 

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2 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

To me, you are "them".

Maybe you should stop taking the blue pills. When the Americans went to Germany and killed Nazis did it make those soldiers Nazis? When the Union soldiers killed traitors in the South did it make them traitors? 

2 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

 

So if they are evil, and evil masquerades as good, then they (you) may be the Anti-Christ, or whatever.

An you may be for real and intelligent but so far I have no proof of that.  I have proof that Trump and his horde are anti-Christian and I presented it. You are simply making claims. Show some proof.

2 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

Or it could be you are just a miss-informed robot who believes in a celestial dictator.

And you could be on the hell train. 

2 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

Or, it could be your just a troll pretending to be a reasonable liberal, but failing miserably.

And you could be a feckless Russian troll using the same tired Soviet style tactics they have been using on social media for the past decade. You may even have information on election tampering. 

2 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

 

So yes, "we" are better than them, at least not as gullible.

 

 

If you are for real and merely naive maybe you will wise up.  Some of them are gullible but the are not uninformed. They know that Trump is and they knew what Trump was when he was running in the GOP primary. They knew he was unqualified, they knew he was vulgar, uncouth and uncivilized. The knew he was a crook and a liar and still they supported him. If you think people who support a profoundly evil man are merely confused then you need to think again.

 

You can bash me for being a Christian all you want and I get why people bash Christians. I am a Calvinist and there are damn few Calvinists in the world.  We Calvinists don't believe that sucking up to Jesus and rolling on the floor, babbling in tongues and foaming at the mouth saves anyone from condemnation. The Dutch Reformed Church is based on Calvinism and the Dutch Reformed Church is all but gone. Other churches thrive because most Christians believe that sucking up to God will save them from their total depravity. It won't because God already knows their destiny and he wouldn't be God if he didn't. Salvation was determined by God before the beginning of time. It quite clear to me that there are a lot of people who are on the Hell Train. 

 

There are some people who are simply no damn good. Go onto NHB and try to reason with them. When Hillary called them deplorable she was right.

 

God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

 

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation. Jude 1:4

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2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

Saint Frank warned us 

with a puppy in a red dress.

If it's either them or us

It's going to make a big mess.

Ketchup on your sandwich,

wash it down with milk ...

but don't break bread with a trollster

or any other of that ilk.

All across this liberal nation

the Russian spreads Disinformation:

"Connect the dots!" he says,

throwing shade, and creating fog,

But dark shades and red dress

will not disguise that he's a dog.

 

cover_340101562016_r.jpg

 

Don't bastardize Zappa. That really is sacrilege.  The parts that you need to hear in Broken Hearts Are For Assholes are at 2:13 and 3:00.  I would post the lyrics but I think it would be best if you hear it with from Frank. 

 

If you were a liberal or a progressive you would be able to go toe to toe with me and you would not defend the indefensible MAGAts by attacking me.  If Bludog allows it you can debate me here or we can take it to NHB. Your choice. You can go their and defend the MAGAts and their magatry.

 

 

 

Now here is a rewrite of Zappa lyrics that makes sense.  Only someone with my superior intellect can improve upon Frank Zappa

 

MAGAts Are the Slime

 

They are gross and perverted
They're obsessed n deranged
They have existed for years
But very little had changed
They're the tools of stupidity
And ignorance too
For they destined to lie
And hate what is true

Trump may be vile and pernicious
But they can't look away
He'll make them think He's delicious
With the stuff that he'll say
He's the best they can get
Have you guessed it yet?
It's Trump's slime oozin out
From your tv set

You will obey him while he leads you
And eat the garbage that he feeds you
Until the day that he won't need you
Don't got for help...no one will heed you
Your weak mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into his mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks..
Don't touch that dial

Well, Trump is the slime from your video
Oozin along on your livinroom floor

Trump is the slime from your video
Cant stop the slime, people, lookit him go

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On 3/5/2019 at 3:33 AM, BlueDoggL said:

The difference between us and them is much greater than the debate between small government vs big government or tax rates, or gay marriage or abortion, or gay rights or womens' rights. All that can be worked out civilly if only they didn't lie and if only they has civility. 

 

There was a time when Democrats would fight tooth and nail over an issue but in the end they show respect like to prize fighters at the end of a bout. 

 

If you have ever boxed and your opponent keeps hitting you with low blows and the ref won't stop it your only recourse is to return the low blows. 

 

If you were ever picked on by a bully and you followed the advice of ignoring that bully you probably found that the bully only got bolder and ramped up the torment. If someone came along and beat the snot out of the bully, the bully would melt the way he wanted you to melt. When Jesus took a whip and cleared the temple of the money changers, there was no turning the other cheek. Turning the other cheek only applies to disputes with other Christians. Never offer your other cheek to a MAGAt unless you want to get hit.

 

We Really Are Better Than Them

 

They profess to be Christians. We are Christian in our ethics and morals.

 

They pray when a tragedy happens. We take action and help the victims and work to prevent tragedies. e.g. the school shooting and climate change

 

They pray for things and outcomes. We don't second guess God.

 

They worship God. We don't suck up to God.

 

They really follow Ayn Rand. We follow the ethics and morals of Christ without even knowing we are.

 

They hate authority. We question but respect authority.

 

They make a show of their faith. We don't.

 

They are greedy. We aren't.

 

We see people of different beliefs, skin color, sexual preference as our brothers and sisters. They don't.

 

 

Republicans I've known very well, in my family as well as my co-worker friends, wouldn't know Jesus if he came up and smacked them up side their heads.    

They are clueless, selfish, hateful, and pretty much AHs all the way around.    My family republicans sent their kids to Christian private schools and look with pursed lips upon us "less fortunate" kids in the family who went to public schools.  My own children also went to public school and had black friends, which my relatives responded with feeling sorry for us because we were exposed to all kinds of people and tended to keep their kids away from our kids; I suppose they didn't want any influence from our kids.    

 

Their kids became the most unpleasant little shytes you'd ever hope not to meet.   LoL.    They were a never ending source of comedy for my brother and I, and I'm glad I had that experience growing up and with my own children.   It taught my brother and I a lot about people and how "Christians" could call themselves "Christians," I'll never fathom.  However, the "fortunates" in my family kept that "holier than thou" attitude throughout the years.   We can't stand them.

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4 hours ago, Mindy09 said:

Republicans I've known very well, in my family as well as my co-worker friends, wouldn't know Jesus if he came up and smacked them up side their heads.    

They are clueless, selfish, hateful, and pretty much AHs all the way around.    My family republicans sent their kids to Christian private schools and look with pursed lips upon us "less fortunate" kids in the family who went to public schools.  My own children also went to public school and had black friends, which my relatives responded with feeling sorry for us because we were exposed to all kinds of people and tended to keep their kids away from our kids; I suppose they didn't want any influence from our kids.    

 

Their kids became the most unpleasant little shytes you'd ever hope not to meet.   LoL.    They were a never ending source of comedy for my brother and I, and I'm glad I had that experience growing up and with my own children.   It taught my brother and I a lot about people and how "Christians" could call themselves "Christians," I'll never fathom.  However, the "fortunates" in my family kept that "holier than thou" attitude throughout the years.   We can't stand them.

 

Mindy. I'm sorry you had that experience. When it's in the family it's even worse.

I'd bet even money that if they all went completely broke and you became a millionaire several hundred times over, they'd still retain that superior attitude toward you.

 

We have something similar, but not with family.

We immigrated to the United States from Canada. My wife was born  and raised in Germany and still has a German accent. (But she's much more articulate in English and German than the great majority of Americans in one language. And she also gets along in French.) Nevertheless, people often treat us as though we just fell off a turnip truck. We don't wear jewelry or fancy clothes, and my wife doesn't wear makeup, so they assume we're poor. But we own two houses and two cars all free and clear, and I've stuffed a 401K to the max for 22 years on a software engineer's salary. We don't spend money or useless shiny sh!t, and therefore we never worry about what necessities cost... but still look for sales and BOGOs.

 

So when we go into stores, we never bother talking to sales-people, because we get patronizing talk and they try to steer us to cheap stuff.

 

I think there's a fake veneer borne by people that try to present themselves as rich. (cf Don the Con?)  Many have gotten used to that veneer and think it's the same as riches. When it's not present, (e.g. us) they make assumptions of poverty, lack of culture, and ignorance. In their worldview, such people are not worthy of respect: which is the gravest error.

 

I've known both  Democrats and Republicans who are really crummy people. I've known Democrats and Republicans who are good people. Many of the people I know who are Trump supporters are a bit dim, but some are not. The dim ones are prejudiced, own guns, and see only the veneer.

 

The smarter ones also own guns, are prejudiced but better at hiding it, but they can see through the veneer. What they're looking for is conservative judges, especially to oppose abortion and LGBTQ rights and Muslim immigration.  They'll accept the useless crap Trump emits to get those things. But even they're starting to turn, whenever they hear Trump going against military and intel advice, and whenever he does something internationally dumb.

 

If the stock market and economy fail, those people will abandon him. The dim ones will never abandon him. They like the veneer and don't care about the other stuff.

 

The liberals and progressives at work all know who we are... it's a small enough group.

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11 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

Don't bastardize Zappa.

 

Where do you think I bastardized Zappa?

 

11 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

The parts that you need to hear in Broken Hearts Are For Assholes are at 2:13 and 3:00.  I would post the lyrics but I think it would be best if you hear it with from Frank. 

 

So you used an FZ song called me an Bad word and threatened to "ram it up my poop chute".

 

Well, I've been called worse things by better people.

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1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

Where do you think I bastardized Zappa?

You know where. Don't play dumb.

1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

 

So you used an FZ song called me an Bad word and threatened to "ram it up my poop chute".

I posted a Zappa song. What you like to ram up your poop chute is your business. And yes, there are a lot of yellow and orange snowflakesSee the source image

1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

Well, I've been called worse things by better people.

You got outed and I am not only talking about your fascination poop chute stuff. Your trolling was not up to Russian troll standards. Are you on Putin's B team?  Go back to NHB and team up with DeepBreath he's a much better liar than you. The best Russian troll there is Z09 but she's way out of your league. 

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6 hours ago, Mindy09 said:

Republicans I've known very well, in my family as well as my co-worker friends, wouldn't know Jesus if he came up and smacked them up side their heads.    

They are clueless, selfish, hateful, and pretty much AHs all the way around.    My family republicans sent their kids to Christian private schools and look with pursed lips upon us "less fortunate" kids in the family who went to public schools.  My own children also went to public school and had black friends, which my relatives responded with feeling sorry for us because we were exposed to all kinds of people and tended to keep their kids away from our kids; I suppose they didn't want any influence from our kids.    

 

Their kids became the most unpleasant little shytes you'd ever hope not to meet.   LoL.    They were a never ending source of comedy for my brother and I, and I'm glad I had that experience growing up and with my own children.   It taught my brother and I a lot about people and how "Christians" could call themselves "Christians," I'll never fathom.  However, the "fortunates" in my family kept that "holier than thou" attitude throughout the years.   We can't stand them.

 

A lot of Christians talk the talk but few of them walk the walk. Most are smug, petty, judgmental and arrogant. The vast majority of self-proclaimed Christians are hypocrites. It's not Christianity that make them that way, it's simply how how they are. They are not in it for altruistic reasons they are worried about their already condemned souls.

 

You are right, they would not recognize Jesus. We are the sheep and they are the goats. It really is that simple. It is part of Jesus' Olivet discourse. 

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12 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

I have proof that Trump and his horde are anti-Christian and I presented it. You are simply making claims. Show some proof.

What you presented was personal opinion, and vague generalizations about Trump supporters, and non-Trump supporters.

What you presented is intentionally divisive along arbitrary religious demarcation lines.

You seem to be appointing yourself the adjudicator of good & evil, and who is 'them'.

This is not proof of anything. Your words do not prove anything to me, except that your standard of proof is extremely low.

 

The only thing that can be conclusively said about Trump supporters is that they continue to support Trump.

That's enough for me to infer their level of critical thinking abilities, and their credibility. The same can be said for religious zealots, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, white supremacists, and others who feel the need to herd around nonsensical belief systems.

Trump himself is incompetent, and dangerous, and I support impeaching him for his abuse of power.

 

12 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

And you could be on the hell train. 

You are simply making claims. Show some proof.

I can assure you that I am currently located in my house in Florida.

I do not know why you think I am in Norway...

 

Hell Stasjon, Norway

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Other than in Norway, I could not locate any evidence of the existence of a Hell Train.

Does it exist in reality, or just in your fantastical imagination?

 

 

 

12 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

I am a Calvinist and there are damn few Calvinists in the world.  We Calvinists don't believe that sucking up to Jesus and rolling on the floor, babbling in tongues and foaming at the mouth saves anyone from condemnation. ......  God already knows their destiny and he wouldn't be God if he didn't. Salvation was determined by God before the beginning of time. It quite clear to me that there are a lot of people who are on the Hell Train. 

 You've made a lot of assumptions based upon no evidence.

Why would you support the concept of a sadistic dictator creating humans for the soul purpose of sending their remains on a hell train to be incinerated or suffer unimaginable pain until after the end of time?

 

There you go with the Hell Train again.

How does BlueDoggL determine which humans have been pre-destined to ride these vertically oriented locomotive(s)?

Weren't trains invented after the beginning of time?

Wouldn't heaven bound spaceships, or transporter beams be more appropriate?

How did the remains of bad people get to hell before the invention of the locomotive?

How much carbon emission is produced by these trains?

Have you ever thought of creating a cleaner, more efficient method of transporting these souls?

Perhaps an Uber2Hell ride-sharing app?

So many questions.

 

39 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

We are the sheep and they are the goats. It really is that simple.

No, sheep are sheep, and goats are goats.

Humans are human, each is unique, and not substantially better or worse than one another, especially after they are deceased.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

 

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4 hours ago, laripu said:

Where do you think I bastardized Zappa?

 

3 hours ago, BlueDoggL said:

You know where. Don't play dumb.

 

I'm not. You took a Zappa song and changed words, so that's bastardizing it.

 

I did not use a Zappa song in any way. I merely posted an album cover and used the title, which was essentially what you wrote.

 

Interesting thing, though.  U had accused you of being a Russian troll. You didn't defend yourself, you just accused me of being a Russian troll. Accusing an opponent of what the opponent accuses you is exactly what Trump does. You are just like Trump in that regard.

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2 hours ago, ExPDXer said:

What you presented was personal opinion, and vague generalizations about Trump supporters, and non-Trump supporters.

What you presented is intentionally divisive along arbitrary religious demarcation lines.

You seem to be appointing yourself the adjudicator of good & evil, and who is 'them'.

This is not proof of anything. Your words do not prove anything to me, except that your standard of proof is extremely low.

 

Yup.

 

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The only thing that can be conclusively said about Trump supporters is that they continue to support Trump.

That's enough for me to infer their level of critical thinking abilities, and their credibility. The same can be said for religious zealots, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, white supremacists, and others who feel the need to herd around nonsensical belief systems.

Trump himself is incompetent, and dangerous, and I support impeaching him for his abuse of power.

 

Yup.

 

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I can assure you that I am currently located in my house in Florida.

 

Hey, me too!  In Tampa. Across Tampa bay from St. Petersburg...   :rolleyes:  Which will confirm to troll that I'm Russian. 

 

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I do not know why you think I am in Norway...

 

The same reason he thinks I'm a Russian troll. Because he'll say anything to stir up trouble.  That's his purpose on this forum. He is Russian Disinformation personified.

 

And he has succeeded in making the LO room as unpleasant as NHB... where I will not go for that reason.

 

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How did the remains of bad people get to hell before the invention of the locomotive?

 

Another interesting question is: If god meant us to go into space in rocket ships, why did he give us airplanes?  :P 

 

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Perhaps an Uber2Hell ride-sharing app?

 

:D

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1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

What you presented was personal opinion, and vague generalizations about Trump supporters, and non-Trump supporters.

I presented evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt showing that Trump Supporters are deplorable. You know that so stop denying what you know is the truth.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

What you presented is intentionally divisive along arbitrary religious demarcation lines.

 

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

You seem to be appointing yourself the adjudicator of good & evil, and who is 'them'.

And? I'm a good judge of character.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

This is not proof of anything. Your words do not prove anything to me, except that your standard of proof is extremely low.

A lot of people are proof and truth deniers. I don't have to prove anything. The words and actions of the MAGAts are all anyone needs. They lie and they support a president who has lie over 6000 times to the American people and the world. That proves that they are totally depraved and you and know it and an honest person will admit it.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

The only thing that can be conclusively said about Trump supporters is that they continue to support Trump.

They support a liar, con man, thief and traitor and they know that they that they support a  liar, con man, thief and traitor and so do you. Only scumbags would knowingly support a liar conman, thief and a traitor and you know that. Only a scumbag would defend other scumbags who support a liar, conman, thief and a traitor so if the shoe fits, wear it.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

That's enough for me to infer their level of critical thinking abilities, and their credibility. The same can be said for religious zealots, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, white supremacists, and others who feel the need to herd around nonsensical belief systems.

Religious zealots are actually brain washed and there are damn few of them and anti-vaxxers believe they have a case. Some climate change deniers are convinced by the propaganda and or are too stupid to understand the science. Some White Supremacists are brain washed and others are just plain evil and ignorant. All of the above are mostly sincere in their misguided beliefs. 

 

The evidence that Trump is liar, con, lowlife, swindler, thief and traitor is undeniable. Trump supporters for the most part are liars and hypocrites.  

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

Trump himself is incompetent, and dangerous, and I support impeaching him for his abuse of power.

You should.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

You are simply making claims. Show some proof.

The proof is in their actions which involve assaulting reporters, lying and spreading lies. That's proof. The proof is them defending the indefensible. The proof of their depravity is when his female supporters wear shirt that say, "Trump can grab my pussy".  

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

I can assure you that I am currently located in my house in Florida.

I feel sorry for you. Florida sucks.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

I do not know why you think I am in Norway...

I think you just outed yourself. I never said you were in Norway. I figured you were in Russia. So I guess you are in Norway. Did you say you were in Norway because that is where your proxy server is located?

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

Hell Stasjon, Norway

IMG_0012.jpg

 

Other than in Norway, I could not locate any evidence of the existence of a Hell Train.

Does it exist in reality, or just in your fantastical imagination?

The Hell Train is euphemism for people who are going straight to hell.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

 

 

 You've made a lot of assumptions based upon no evidence.

The evidence of the total depravity of Trump supporters is abundant and you know it. 

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

Why would you support the concept of a sadistic dictator creating humans for the soul purpose of sending their remains on a hell train to be incinerated or suffer unimaginable pain until after the end of time?

I don't support sadistic dictators. I support the morals, ethics an teachings of Jesus Christ as did Thomas Jefferson. Trump supporters are sending themselves to hell. God merely knew what they were going to do.  He knew the choices they would make. 

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

There you go with the Hell Train again.

MAGAts are going to the station to board the hell train.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

How does BlueDoggL determine which humans have been pre-destined to ride these vertically oriented locomotive(s)?

When one is a member of the elect one knows.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

Weren't trains invented after the beginning of time?

Look up the meaning of the word train.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

Wouldn't heaven bound spaceships, or transporter beams be more appropriate?

Heaven and hell are probably in other dimensions.

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

How did the remains of bad people get to hell before the invention of the locomotive?

It's their souls. 

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

How much carbon emission is produced by these trains?

Have you ever thought of creating a cleaner, more efficient method of transporting these souls?

Perhaps an Uber2Hell ride-sharing app?

So many questions.

 

No, sheep are sheep, and goats are goats.

See the source image

1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

Humans are human, each is unique, and not substantially better or worse than one another, especially after they are deceased.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

 

A lot of fools believe that clap trap. They think that nurture determines a person's morality. Science has proven that nature plays a major role in human behavior. 

 

If you breed gentle dogs the litter will probably consist of gentle pups. If you breed dangerous and aggressive dogs, the litter will consist of dangerous and aggressive pups. 

 

If you were an American you would know that the white people who settled the American South are a different breed than other white people. They had no problem with justifying the enslaving of human beings, denying them human rights, beatin them, raping them and lynching them. They pretended to believe that killing, raping and owning human beings was moral. 

 

They are proud of their treason and they show it by displaying the Confederate battle flag under the guise of heritage. Do you think the German people today would celebrate the Third Reich as their heritage? Do you think the German people would erect monuments to their Nazi era? The American South celebrate their legacy of slavery. That is what MAGAts do.

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1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

 

I'm not. You took a Zappa song and changed words, so that's bastardizing it.

Nope, all I did was modernize it. Frank would have approved.

1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

I did not use a Zappa song in any way. I merely posted an album cover and used the title, which was essentially what you wrote.

You were trolling and mocking me. I posted a Zappa song.

1 hour ago, laripu said:

 

Interesting thing, though.  U had accused you of being a Russian troll.

That makes no sense.

1 hour ago, laripu said:

You didn't defend yourself, you just accused me of being a Russian troll.

I have no need to defend myself but you do.

1 hour ago, laripu said:

Accusing an opponent of what the opponent accuses you is exactly what Trump does. You are just like Trump in that regard.

I didn't do that. I pointed out that you are a fake.  You admit that Trump is a liar? 

 

Let's see how much you are willing to admit to.

 

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a traitor?

 

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a pig? 

 

Are you willing to admit that Hillary was right when she said Trump supporters are deplorable? 

 

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a liar who has lied more that 6000 times? 

 

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a man whore?

 

Are you willing to admit that Trump belongs in prison? 

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21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

You admit that Trump is a liar?

 

Not only that. I've written poems about it posted in this forum. The Conman's Sonnet and the Villain's Villanelle. A third is in work, a rondeau, from the viewpoint of a child at the border, separated from her parents. "Mama, te extraño! Y Papa tambien!" Taken together, they will New the Trump trio.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Let's see how much you are willing to admit to.

 

I admit you're making these forums unpleasant. Are you willing to admit to that?

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a traitor?

 

I don't know for certain, but I believe, yes, probably true. Maybe even worse.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a pig?

 

He is literally not. He's a human being. Metaphorically, yes he's a crude, uncultured, often vile, racist pig.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Hillary was right when she said Trump supporters are deplorable? 

 

Close enough. Not all are, and she didn't say all were. But many are. Maybe most.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a liar who has lied more that 6000 times? 

 

Yes. I don't know the exact count, but many thousands. Probably more than 6000. This website, from January, says 7645.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Trump is a man whore?

 

No. A whore charges for sex and he does not. But it appears that he probably pays for sex.

 

21 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

Are you willing to admit that Trump belongs in prison? 

 

Oh, hell yes!!

 

None of the above requires your extremism. None of it requires confiscating money from rich people.

 

It requires impeachment, elections, and higher taxes.

 

I am a believer that this system can fix itself. I am not a believer in violence, or your brand of confrontation.

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2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Not only that. I've written poems about it posted in this forum. The Conman's Sonnet and the Villain's Villanelle. A third is in work, a rondeau, from the viewpoint of a child at the border, separated from her parents. "Mama, te extraño! Y Papa tambien!" Taken together, they will New the Trump trio.

 

If that is true, keep posting them.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

I admit you're making these forums unpleasant. Are you willing to admit to that?

Yes, truth can be unpleasant sometimes.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

I don't know for certain, but I believe, yes, probably true. Maybe even worse.

I do know for certain beyond a shadow of a doubt.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

He is literally not. He's a human being. Metaphorically, yes he's a crude, uncultured, often vile, racist pig.

 

He's a homosapien perhaps but that doesn't make him human.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

Close enough. Not all are, and she didn't say all were. But many are. Maybe most.

Amen!

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Yes. I don't know the exact count, but many thousands. Probably more than 6000. This website, from January, says 7645.

Given the fact that he's told more lies than all presidents combined and given the fact that MAGAts support him in large numbers why isn't that alone proof enough for you that most of his current supporters are totally depraved?

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

No. A whore charges for sex and he does not. But it appears that he probably pays for sex.

In common parlance the term man whore mean a man who who will screw anything that moves.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Oh, hell yes!!

 

None of the above requires your extremism. None of it requires confiscating money from rich people.

The rich are thieves mostly and they are all greedy and they are all hell bound according to the Bible. Under they law and under the rules of fairness and common decency thieves are not allowed to keep what they steal. Some people get lucky and get rich. Most of the rich have used dishonest, unethical, unlawful, and unscrupulous means to get wealthy. Do you think they should be allowed to keep their ill gotten gains simply because they used clever means to game the system? Do you think white color crime is less serious than street crime?

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

It requires impeachment, elections, and higher taxes.

In case you haven't noticed, America is a plutocracy and a kleptocracy. Plutocrats are the criminal elite who are above the law. They run the government. Can you think of a non violent way to get them to play by the rules and give up their obscene ill-gotten wealth? 

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

I am a believer that this system can fix itself.

I would say you are very naive. The MAGAts would call you a snowflake.

2 minutes ago, laripu said:

I am not a believer in violence, or your brand of confrontation.

You probably would say, "Violence never solved anything." and you probably believe it. What it Manafort had resisted the FBI with violence, would you have been upset if the FBI gunned him down in self defense? The MAGAts are all for using violence and they have and they will continue to use it. 

 

There are 4 kinds of people: Moral - Immoral - Amoral and Neutral. Moral and Neutral people will generally do the right thing. Immoral and amoral people have no conscious. They are like sharks. The sharks want you to believe lies and cliches that benefit them. When they hear the peasants saying, "violence never solves anything" or "God will punish them in the end, they laugh". I've been around these people. They believe they are insular and they know they are above the law so long as they don't harm another rich person. They live like pigs. They are vulgar. 

 

I confront punks and bullies. I don't negotiate with tyrants. I don't mince word. I don't sugar coat. I take no prisoners. 

 

Jefferson said, "When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears th people there is liberty." Keep in mind, plutocrats are the ones who make the rules. The golden rule states, "The guys with the gold make the rules."

 

If you think there is a peaceful solution for redistribution of wealth other than taking it by force, let us know.

 

To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty. Do you agree?

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4 hours ago, laripu said:

Because he'll say anything to stir up trouble.  That's his purpose on this forum. He is Russian Disinformation personified.

 

And he has succeeded in making the LO room as unpleasant as NHB...

Yep.

 

49 minutes ago, BlueDoggL said:

There are 4 kinds of people: Moral - Immoral - Amoral and Neutral. Moral and Neutral people will generally do the right thing. Immoral and amoral people have no conscious. They are like sharks. The sharks want you to believe lies and cliches that benefit them. When they hear the peasants saying, "violence never solves anything" or "God will punish them in the end, they laugh". I've been around these people. They believe they are insular and they know they are above the law so long as they don't harm another rich person. They live like pigs. They are vulgar

  

Openly advocating violence, and hatred would be a good indication of immoral behavior.

Consider this my last response:

 

for it was written,

trolls like BlueDoggL shall be smitten,

and ignored til after the end of time

Good bye.

 

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1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

Given the fact that he's told more lies than all presidents combined and given the fact that MAGAts support him in large numbers why isn't that alone proof enough for you that most of his current supporters are totally depraved?

 

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

I've met and spoken to enough Trump supporters that are just silly dumb. One of them is our handyman. He got arrested recently, out on bail. I wonder whether he's able to keep his mouth shut at trial. If not, he'll get a couple of years and I'll need a new handyman.

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

 

The rich are thieves mostly and they are all greedy and they are all hell bound according to the Bible.

 

Nonsense. And the bible is nonsense too.

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

I would say you are very naive. The MAGAts would call you a snowflake.

 

They called me a sh1tstain. I don't go into NHB because it's a place that does real damage to your metal state.

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

You probably would say, "Violence never solved anything." and you probably believe it.

 

What I say is a quote from a song: "I've seen the nations rise and fall. I've heard their stories, heard them all, but love's the only engine of survival."

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

There are 4 kinds of people: Moral - Immoral - Amoral and Neutral.

 

Way too simple.

Also, moral people often do the wrong thing through weakness or stupidity.

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

I confront punks and bullies. I don't negotiate with tyrants. I don't mince word. I don't sugar coat. I take no prisoners. 

 

You offend. You're offensive. Your manner of discourse devalues what you're trying to get across.

 

1 hour ago, BlueDoggL said:

 

No. You need to learn from South Africa: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_(South_Africa)

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19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

I've met and spoken to enough Trump supporters that are just silly dumb. One of them is our handyman. He got arrested recently, out on bail. I wonder whether he's able to keep his mouth shut at trial. If not, he'll get a couple of years and I'll need a new handyman.

I have a friend who is a substance abuse counselor. He's an atheist and I think the world of him. He's liberal/progressive. Nearly all his clients are MAGAts. Like most addicts they are liars and whiners who blame all the problems on someone else. The drugs just make it easier for them to be assholes. 

 

When I was in college I attended ALANON and while most of that AA stuff is BS a guy in the groups told me not to expect my drunk to become a good person if they get sober. 

 

Hitler seemed silly and dumb like Charlie Chaplain. The Nazi looked like fools. Trump supporters are not to be underestimated. Trump is a clown but he is a dangerous clown who appeals the the darkest side of some very depraved people. The fact that such a vulgar and dishonest man appeals to people says a lot about those people. 

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

 

Nonsense. And the bible is nonsense too.

I'm a biblical scholar. Are you? I know a few rich people and I know them to be assholes mostly. They tend to be decadent like Trump, snobbish, arrogant and shallow.  I made it clear that not all rich people are depraved but most of them are. The Trump Whitehouse is full of depraved billionaires. The swamp is more foul than ever. As a business man I can tell you that today it is nearly impossible to get rich by playing by the rules. There have been decent people who got rich overnight but they were damn lucky but I'm talking about the billionaire class, the ones who control the most of the wealth. The ones who control the wealth control the world. 

 

You make a flippant statement about the Bible which probably never read or studied. Jefferson who was a lot smarter than you wrote something referred to as the Jefferson Bible PDF]The Jefferson Bible - Home - Unitarian Universalist ...

 

I base my Christian belief in part of the Jefferson Bible and on Calvinism. 

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

 

They called me a sh1tstain. I don't go into NHB because it's a place that does real damage to your metal state

For me NHB is a place to bust liars, kick ass and take names. It is also being used to spread MAGAt propaganda. A lot of people read this forum. It has a fairly high Page Rank. If you want to preach to the choir then you are wasting your time.

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

 

What I say is a quote from a song: "I've seen the nations rise and fall. I've heard their stories, heard them all, but love's the only engine of survival."

That's what I call a bottle of blue pills. The Jews tried that in Germany and Poland. We all know how that worked out. Jesus tried that and we all know how that worked out. When he returns, as the story goes, he's gonna be pissed and John Brown explained it well. "He has loosed the fateful lighting of he terrible swift sword, the truth goes marching on."  

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Way too simple.

Some things are so simple most people can't see it. I can see the forest for the trees.

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

Also, moral people often do the wrong thing through weakness or stupidity.

Moral people are not weak and if they are around other moral people, they won't do stupid things. 

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

You offend. You're offensive. Your manner of discourse devalues what you're trying to get across.

I offend liars and the easily offended. That is what happen one is taking the offensive.  What I say and how I say it strikes a nerve because it pierces through the thick skulls of the MAGAts and the rose colored glasses of liberals who see the world for what they want it to be instead of what they world really is. You can be Don Quixote and tilt at windmills and I will be St George and slay dragons. 

 

Reality bites! Grow up and deal with it. 

19 minutes ago, laripu said:

I will read that later. And BTW, you don't need to learn but it would be good if you did because you are either naive or you are a troll.

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1 hour ago, ExPDXer said:

 

 

Openly advocating violence, and hatred would be a good indication of immoral behavior.

Now you are lying. Anyone who says they are against violence is a fool or a liar. Would you use violence to defend your family? 

 

Would you use violence to defend a neighbor? Would you use violence to defend your neighbor's neighbor?

 

Would use violence to defend your country? If you wouldn't then you don't deserve a country.

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for it was written,

trolls like BlueDoggL shall be smitten,

and ignored til after the end of time

Good bye.

 

You can't seem to ignore me so you call me a troll.

Is that your game is that your role?

When truth is told it hits a nerve

And then you're thrown for a curve. 

 

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To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty.

 

 

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