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Why is Socialism still a dirty word even for liberals?

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Even mainstream democrats have a coronary if someone mentions socialism why is that? Why are Liberals so spineless ? 

 

Socialism is no longer a dirty word in the US – and that’s scary for some

Since Trump took power, membership of the Democratic Socialists of America has leapt from 6,000 to 47,000 – and even conservatives are struggling to articulate what is so bad about free education and healthcare       You need us and you need to show us some respect

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/29/socialism-no-longer-dirty-word-us-scary-for-some

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All I have heard or choose to is strategically placed and regulated social programs do work within a democracy the fanatical people on the right treat it like we want our own red square in Washington and every job and business state ran.

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3 hours ago, guilluamezenz said:

Even mainstream democrats have a coronary if someone mentions socialism why is that?

 

This is starting to get silly. Are we going to spend the next 2 years talking about whether the word socialism is a dirty word?
I would rather talk about specific economic policies, but regarding political philosophy...

Social Democrats - embrace a mixed economy based on the predominance of private property, with only a minority of essential utilities and public services under public ownership. They reject the Democratic Socialist goal of replacing the capitalist system (factor markets, private property and wage labor) with a qualitatively different socialist economic system.

Democratic Socialists - are committed to systemic transformation of the economy from capitalism to socialism whereas social democracy is supportive of reforms to capitalism.


I agree with Social Democrats, but really disagree with Democratic Socialism, and their long term goal of state ownership of corporations.

The DSA supports many of the same causes that I support. That's good, but I do not  agree with their overall political philosophy.

 

In a way, Democratic Socialists muddy the water for Social Democrats, and a chance for Republicans to demogogue.
This causes great confusion, and requires explanation. Many, if not most, voters do not realize the difference.

 

From FDR to LBJ, the Democrat Party  did not label themselves, or name the party "Social Democrats", but that is essentially what they were.

Until the 1980's......
Republicans successfully demonized the word 'liberal' as tax & spend.
This caused the rise of neo-liberalism, triangulation, centrism. Third Way economic policies, and implicit acceptance of the supply side scam took over the Democratic party.

 

And it been that way ever since.

 

Some other thoughts:

 

 

  • The United States does not have a strictly capitalist economy, but a mixed one. It features a high level of private ownership of capital and means of production.
  • Some of the most socially democratic countries on earth are more capitalist than the United States.
  • The question is and has always been: what systems should be public, which should be private, and what amount of regulation and taxation should the private sector pay to support the public good.
  • Arguing semantics of capitalism vs socialism is like saying the brake pedal on a car keeps the car from going fast, or that the gas pedal is too dangerous. Current conditions should dictate the right mixture of socialism and capitalism to be used (for the benefit of all passengers).

 

A good article:

Bernie Is Not a Socialist and America Is Not Capitalist  -----   Scandinavia is, by one measure, a freer market than the United States.

 

As I said, I would much rather discuss specific economic proposals, than which words are more popular with voters.

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Social programs 'within'  a democracy can work' ?' l'm a brit who at 71yrs of age has lived under a 'socialist' government followed by a 'conservative' government then a 'socialist then a conservative and so on, we even had a Liberal government early in the twentieth century and they laid the foundations of our welfare state . When are you going to realize that the Russia, China, North Korea etc have corrupted  the philosophy  of socialism and hijacked the word Socialist When a powerful western leader begins demonizing socialism and socialist policies right wingers are energized as historic prejudice rears it ugly facade sharing the same narrative as social democratic despots like Putin.. What I do not understand is America has had for decades 'state provision of one sort or another and that's socialism however you dress it up. Yet republicans view socialism as the thin end of the wedge of communism and so progressive social democratic policies are not as quickly embraced as they are in western europe. From my point of view Trumps anti socialist rhetoric is akin to despotism and I find that scary. Fee education, healthcare, social care, childcare are widely available in western europe as they are in Russia.

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17 minutes ago, AlanMckennedy said:

Fee education, healthcare, social care, childcare are widely available in western europe as they are in Russia.

 

Free education (for people with reasonable grades) increases the talent of the workforce. That's good for employers.

 

Universal healthcare, paid by taxes, relieves employers of the paperwork burden of managing heath plans. That's good for employers.

 

Moreover, if you don't have to depend on employers for healthcare, you can start a business with more confidence. That's good for innovation.

 

Free childcare frees up a company's employees. They don't have to leave early, and that don't have to worry whether their sitter will leave them in the lurch. That's good for employers.

 

Social care for old people frees up working family members the same way childcare does. That's also good for employers.

 

It seems to me that making life easier for people makes life easier for employers, improves business efficiency and eases innovation.

 

Social programs are a good thing for a society that develops its wealth through free enterprise. Or if you need a buzz-phrase: a bit of socialism is good for capitalism.

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14 hours ago, ExPDXer said:

This is starting to get silly. Are we going to spend the next 2 years talking about whether the word socialism is a dirty word?
I would rather talk about specific economic policies, but regarding political philosophy...

 

Great post.

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