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Just now, Z09 said:

The same way the Democrats do...

Like when Democrats did similar measures...

 

 

But your side is the side that complains about it while embracing it.

weird huh?

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Just now, Z09 said:

Translation?

 

You can't find anything

no just trying  to help you learn things for yourself .

you will have a sense of pride and accomplishment 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, think said:

 

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, think said:

 

 

 

 

so as I see it conservatives screwed the free enterprise notion with supply side economics and corporate welfare.

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Just now, merrill said:

 

 

so as I see it conservatives screwed the free enterprise notion with supply side economics and corporate welfare.

 

Excellent observation 👍

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7 minutes ago, harryramar said:

But your side is the side that complains about it while embracing it.

weird huh?

It is..

It's like the debt...

The other side always complains...

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6 minutes ago, harryramar said:

no just trying  to help you learn things for yourself .

you will have a sense of pride and accomplishment 

 

 

You have a history of making dumb comments and when someone asks for a link you can't find one

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10 minutes ago, think said:

 

Are you going to ignore Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala and just keep repeating Venezuela and socialism like a broken record?

Are you saying that socialism is actually working in these countries?

 

If so why do we have such immigration problem at our borders as people are trying to escape?

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The really sad part is that the only reason Trump has to bail out the farmers is because of his failed trade war...

 

 

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'Like a Soviet-type economy': GOP free traders unload on Trump

The president's $12 billion farm bailout gets an ugly reception among many Republicans in Congress.

 

By BURGESS EVERETT

 

07/24/2018 02:50 PM EDT

 

Updated 07/24/2018 04:15 PM EDT

 

President Donald Trump’s bailout for the ag industry is driving his many Republican trade critics to exasperation.

 

Pro-free trade Republicans were already furious with Trump's escalation of tariffs against U.S. allies and China — a multi-front trade war they say is hurting U.S. farmers and manufacturers. But the administration’s response Tuesday — announcing plans to send $12 billion to farmers hurt by retaliatory tariffs to ease the pain — is the opposite of conservative, free-trade orthodoxy, they said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517

 

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18 minutes ago, harryramar said:

So now the fed using public money to subsidize  losses caused by trumps anti free market trade policies is free market capitalism😀

keep digging granny

I didn’t state that.... What I stated is we don’t have a socialist, AKA command system economy.....

 

Therefore.... subsidies, welfare entitlements and regulation are just that....

 

 

 

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Just now, Z09 said:

Are you saying that socialism is actually working in these countries?

 

If so why do we have such immigration problem at our borders as people are trying to escape?

 

 I just posted how these countries have economies that are in shambles. The economies AREN'T socialist and the United States  ISN'T putting crippling sanctions on those economies.

 

You are making my point all too well....

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2 minutes ago, Z09 said:

You have a history of making dumb comments and when someone asks for a link you can't find one

You have a history of demanding that others do your research for you and when they refuse you claim they are making up .

stuff.

what are the odds that republicans voted for food to feed poor kids😀

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1 minute ago, think said:

 

 I just posted how these countries have economies that are in shambles. The economies AREN'T socialist and the United States  ISN'T putting crippling sanctions on those economies.

 

You are making my point all too well....

Two things..

Do you even understand the nature of the sanctions?

Obviously not...

 

And you seem to be suggesting that if it weren't for these sanctions everything would be fine...

That's BS

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57 minutes ago, Z09 said:

Do you even understand more and more Democrats are admitting they're socialists?

 

More and more? FU!

 

Why do you always lie?

 

Bill

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3 hours ago, think said:

 

Some people understand the difference between a Democratic Socialist and a socialist. Others obviously can't manage to comprehend the difference.....

 

and do you have evidence that Democratic socialism works?

 

 

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1 minute ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

and do you have evidence that Democratic socialism works?

 

 

 

It works everywhere in the world. 

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28 minutes ago, leftwinger said:

 

It works everywhere in the world. 

The very act of having a government means government control.   I.e. Government is always a socialist activity.   Government doesn't just operate to make more government.  It governs people.  And people are social entities.  Do you see that socialistic reform is just government doing the only thing that it is designed to do.....make a better life for its population.   The key thing is not socialistic reform.   It is where we wish to spend our energy to government the people.  Spending health care for all is a great idea.  A healthy population without fear of losing its home from sickness is a happy productive population.   Education has the same effect.   Both should be labeled common needs or just plain the Commons.  Commons are what everyone needs.   Every one does not need a super computer.   Owning a computer is not under the category of Commons, for example.   Road building, sewage systems, road fixing, and many infrastructure needs are COMMONS.   

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I saw a website with old political buttons from long ago.

 

Say NO to Socialism!

Tell FDR - NO SOCIAL SECURITY!

 

and from a generation later, the wildly similar...

Say NO to Socialism!  

Tell LBJ - NO MEDICARE!

 

both with a picture of an elephant surrounded by two stars!

 

Then.... not too long ago, at a Teabagger rally:

 

Keep Your Socialist Hands Off My MEDICARE!!

 

Republicans ain't the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?

 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

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10 minutes ago, maineman said:

I saw a website with old political buttons from long ago.

 

Say NO to Socialism!

Tell FDR - NO SOCIAL SECURITY!

 

and from a generation later, the wildly similar...

Say NO to Socialism!  

Tell LBJ - NO MEDICARE!

 

both with a picture of an elephant surrounded by two stars!

 

Then.... not too long ago, at a Teabagger rally:

 

Keep Your Socialist Hands Off My MEDICARE!!

 

Republicans ain't the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?

 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

They don't seem to get the obvious.   Government is socialism every time it does anything.   It is non action laissez faire government not interfering in an issue that is conservative.   The absence of government action is conservative.    Everyone is about 50-50 even on action and non-action.   There is no such thing as a liberal or conservative person because such an entity cannot be defined meaningfully.  We are about 50=50 on conservative and liberal positions.   

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1 minute ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

They don't seem to get the obvious.   Government is socialism every time it does anything.  

 

oh please , providing services government is responsible for isnt socialism 

 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

It is non action laissez faire government not interfering in an issue that is conservative.   The absence of government action is conservative.

 

Do you even know what Laissez faire means?

 

It doesn't mean we want absence of government , government is necessary is a just society to enforce rules,  Laissez Faire does not mean no laws in society, it means no government interference in the market economy and governed by common law, not bureaucrat and special interest laws, it means people are free to conduct lawful voluntary transactions, this is what we mean by unregulated free markets

 

8 minutes ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

There is no such thing as a liberal or conservative person because such an entity cannot be defined meaningfully.  We are about 50=50 on conservative and liberal positions.   

 

if you're running for office that might be the case but the everyday tax paying or non tax paying citizens doesn't fall under that category .

 

 

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5 hours ago, think said:

 

 

 

Guess why?  Socialists work within every party line so basically calling any party of social justification reality matters is led by a socialist.  Making vernacular tribalism manditory way of life by rule of law is sociallyizing a species to obey verbal communication spoken or written.

 

Can or should I say will you explain the difference between equal opportunity, fair game, staged equal outcome?

 

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5 hours ago, harryramar said:

You lose your point when 1 or 2 politicians identify themselves as socialists and you try to paint them all as socialists.

its dishonest of you😀

Dishonesty is DEEP THROATS stock and trade! Nothing new for him!

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5 hours ago, think said:

 

 

 

 

It's pretty simple for most people to understand:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 if a candidate who was taking vacations in the old Soviet Union and openly says that he is a socialist gets the most votes from your party, but then another more corrupt candidate somehow  cheats him out of winning, you have a new socialist party.

 

   98% chance that you have a short time of preparedness before all the socialist- (new monarchy) corruption problems hits the fan and you finally realize that you have been promoting yourself into a situation of becoming a simple herd animal hunter gatherer having no legal ability that is not allowed to hunt or gather on anti-creator property after you have been replaced by a robot etc.

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But it was the 1932 election of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt that brought about the widespread partisan deployment of socialism accusations in U.S. politics. The Democratic Party candidate campaigned on a promise to enact a policy of expansive governmental action to rein in the private abuses of corporate America, provide baseline economic security and empower labor unions.

 

Republican President Herbert Hoover attacked this New Deal as “a disguise for the totalitarian state.” The American people were faced with a choice between “free enterprise” and “collectivism.” Hoover lost the election in a landslide.

 

 

Sorry, think (or whoever you are the sock puppet of), your OP article is so full of lies as to be laughable.    

 

Which is not surprising when the author, Paul Blumenthal, is the son of Sidney Blumenthal.

 

For those who need a reminder, Sidney was one of three people who demonstrably lied under oath during Bill Clinton's impeachment.   


He lied to protect Bill Clinton.

 

He's the guy who Hillary had been ordered by Obama NOT to employ in Libya, but who she employed anyway.

 

And we know he was involved in the fake Russian Dossiers. 

 

Yeah, that alone should tell you that Paul Blumenthal is probably not a very reliable source to be quoting about anything.

 

And truth is that FDR campaigned against Hoover promising to reduce government spending, not expand it.  

 

Look at what he said in this September 29, 1932 speech:

 

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=88392
 

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I accuse the present Administration of being the greatest spending Administration in peace times in all our history.  It is an Administration that has piled bureau on bureau, commission on commission, and has failed to anticipate the dire needs and the reduced earning power of the people. Bureaus and bureaucrats, commissions and commissioners have been retained at the expense of the taxpayer. ... snip ... And on my part I ask you very simply to assign to me the task of reducing the annual operating expenses of your national Government.


Over and over he attacked Hoover for reckless spending.   He said this just in an October 19, 1932 speech, just weeks before the election …


http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=88399

 

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On the plain question of frugality of management, if we want to compare routine Government outlay for 1927 with that for 1931 for example — four years later — we must subtract this so-called "debt service charge" from the total budget in each year. If we do this, we find that the expenditure for the business of Government in 1927 was $2,187,000,000, and in 1931, $3,168,000,000.
 
That represents an increase of actual administrative spending in those four years of approximately one billion dollars, or roughly, 5o percent; and that, I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time.


He went on to say deficit spending was the cause of all the problems and to call for balancing the budget as the solution to all the problems.    

 

He promised not only to balance the budget but made this promise ...

 

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In the latter philosophy, and not in the philosophy of Mr. Hoover — which I think is responsible for so much of our trouble — I shall approach the problem of carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent.

 

In short, think, he lied to the public during his campaign because we know he fully intended to do just the opposite of the above.  We know because his closest advisors ... his "brain trust" ... had already developed a plan to implement the New Deal, with massive additional spending (mostly funded by deficits) and considerably more bureaucracy and regulation than Hoover's administration ever had.   He LIED TO THE PEOPLE TO GET ELECTED, think.  

 

And he did it because he was Fabian Socialist, surrounded by Fabian Socialists.  

 

Hoover was right if he said what Paul's article claims ... that the New Deal was “a disguise for the totalitarian state”.   The proof of this lies in a book titled "A New Deal" (what a coincidence) that one of FDR's closest advisors, admitted Fabian Socialist Stuart Chase (who was in the Brain Trust and later a top  administration official), wrote in 1931.   In the book, Chase describes how to transform America into "Society X".     Society X, as described by Chase, would have all the characteristics of a socialist/communist society.  Here's the list of characteristics that Chase described for "X":

 

1. A strong, centralized government


2. An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms


3. The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government


4. The underwriting of employment by the government, either through armaments or public works.

5. The underwriting of social security by the government  ... old-age pensions, mothers' pensions, unemployment insurance, and the like.

6. The underwriting of food, housing, and medical care, by the government.

7. The use of deficit spending to finance these underwritings


8. The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies


9. The control of foreign trade by the government


10. The control of natural resources.

11. The control of energy sources


12. The control of transportation


13. The control of agricultural production.

14. The control of labor organizations.

15. The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to community service and ideologies consistent with those of the authorities.

16. Heavy taxation, with special emphasis on the estates and incomes of the rich.

17. Control of industry without ownership.

18. State control of communications and propaganda.
 

That lines up pretty close to the Communist Manifesto.   

 

There's a chapter in the book titled "Goals For America" in which Chase wrote the first goal should be "to satisfy the needs and desires of the common people."  Chase says the answer to that goal is life long "security" ... security provided by the government.  That is exactly what FDR and Obama promised with their many, many, many, many programs.  It's exactly what DemocRATS are still promising with even more programs.     In the chapter, Chase even talks about the "cult of the proletariat" being engulfed in this new revolution ...  a "revolution" "wider and deeper than anything Karl Marx imagined."   Chase's "New Deal" ... which was the basis for FDR's New Deal ... was communism, disguised as socialism, disguised as progressivism.   And now it's disguised as the "social democracy" promoted by DemocRATS like you.   
 

 


In the section of Chase's book titled "What We Must Do", Chase talked about "national minimum" living standards.   He said "we have had public schools for many years. It is now proposed to add food, housing, medical care, clothing, to universal education."   He labeled those things RIGHTS.  Marx talked about free access and distribution of goods, capital and services being the goal ... all provided by the government.   That's been the goal of Democrats ever since FDR.  It was the goal even earlier.   And Chase was not above lining up capitalists and shooting them to accomplish this.   He said as much in his books (yes, he wrote more than one).  

 

You and Paul Bluementhal can't get away with lying to us about this, think ... not when history shows the truth in the form of books written by FDR's admitted Fabian Socialists about what their plan was for America in "A New Deal" ... books that anyone can link and read.     But thanks for providing yet another opportunity to show how duplicitous you on the left are.   You can't seem to write an article or open you mouths WITHOUT LYING.   :lol:
 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, harryramar said:

Bernie is not a Democrat 

 

And yet half of you voted for him in 2016.

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8 minutes ago, Chongo said:

 

 

 if a candidate who was taking vacations in the old Soviet Union and openly says that he is a socialist gets the most votes from your party, but then another more corrupt candidate somehow  cheats him out of winning, you have a new socialist party.

 

   98% chance that you have a short time of preparedness before all the socialist- (new monarchy) corruption problems hits the fan and you finally realize that you have been promoting yourself into a situation of becoming a simple herd animal hunter gatherer having no legal ability that is not allowed to hunt or gather on anti-creator property after you have been replaced by a robot etc.

 

Have you been hanging out with Sole?

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