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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

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.I also directed you to the fifth amendment...in which government officials...THROUGH DUE PROCESS......waive their rights

The Fifth Amendment says nothing about contractually waiving rights.  Contracts have nothing to do with due process.  Contracts are private matters, not governed at all by the Constitution.   I can assure you that government officials "through due process" waive no rights; and certainly not the right to freedom of speech.  I actually laughed when I read that.  You are just wrong and you are using the wrong provision in the Constitution to support an asinine argument.

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Just now, bigsky said:

we have.….progressives and conservatives have not one damn thing in common....there really is no reason discussing sh it with progressives

Well, gee, there's no need to get all butt hurt and go stalking off in a huff, you big baby.  People can't disagree on something without you declaring there is no common ground anywhere for anyone, drawing your little line in the sand and insisting that nobody who feels this way on this issue can possibly agree with anyone who feels differently on ANY ISSUE???

 

Sounds pretty dumb to me.

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yer a progressive douchebag....go.....well I cant say...you might do it...and then I might go to jail.....

I'm a right-wing Conservative Republican.  Have been since birth.

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Just now, splunch said:

Meh.  Not seeing it.  My freedom of speech is my freedom to express my opinions and be myself.  I don't feel that threatened in the slightest by not being able to conspire to have somebody murdered, or inciting a riot, or actively talking a depressed kid through the process of killing himself.

 

I hear what you're saying, you understand.  I just don't agree.

well.....this country wasn't designed originally for the pussy ass americans of the 21th century

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3 minutes ago, Skans said:

 

The Fifth Amendment says nothing about contractually waiving rights.  Contracts have nothing to do with due process.  Contracts are private matters, not governed at all by the Constitution.   I can assure you that government officials "through due process" waive no rights; and certainly not the right to freedom of speech.  I actually laughed when I read that.  You are just wrong and you are using the wrong provision in the Constitution to support an asinine argument.

really? it is the amendment that breaks the UNALIENABLE clause...you dumb ass....

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really? it is the amendment that breaks the UNALIENABLE clause...you dumb ass....

Yes, really!!!  I posted it in its entity in response to your asinine rant.  Try reading it.

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5 minutes ago, Skans said:

I'm a right-wing Conservative Republican.  Have been since birth.

maybe so....but you are also a progressive.....and more likely than not have been since birth....

do you think this is the first time a broad has conned some dude into offing himself?

only now it comes to the spotlight....

100 yrs ago the government would have said free speech....

today you say...jail her.....

 

text book progressive....just like paul ryan….and john baehner….

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9 minutes ago, splunch said:

Well, gee, there's no need to get all butt hurt and go stalking off in a huff, you big baby.  People can't disagree on something without you declaring there is no common ground anywhere for anyone, drawing your little line in the sand and insisting that nobody who feels this way on this issue can possibly agree with anyone who feels differently on ANY ISSUE???

 

Sounds pretty dumb to me.

yer the one said the convo was over....you sound like an ex girlfriend....would hang up on me and bitch that I didn't call her back....

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3 minutes ago, Skans said:

Yes, really!!!  I posted it in its entity in response to your asinine rant.  Try reading it.

so...you dont think that when a cop reads you your miranda rights.....

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT

ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW....

you dont think that is due process?

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maybe so....but you are also a progressive.....and more likely than not have been since birth....

I don't have a progressive, socialist bone in my body.  Go back and read my posts.  I know what I am. I know who I support.  I know who I've voted for.

 

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do you think this is the first time a broad has conned some dude into offing himself?

Broad - - - - how old are you? Anyway to answer your question I don't know.  There are a lot of weak guys out there; many of whom have/will commit suicide over a girl.  Undoubtedly, there are some female psychopaths out there that have no problem encouraging a former boyfriend to kill himself.  Maybe they even get off on it, who knows. 

 

Have you ever bullied another kid when you were 10, 11 or 12?  I mean really bullied someone?  Not many people have.  I don't mean just pick on some occasional fat kid.  I mean go at a kid with everything you have to make that kid want to kill himself or never want to come back.  If you have ever done this, tell me about it.  Tell me how you felt about it, and then I'll know if you are telling me the truth.  If you have never really bullied someone -and I mean in a sick way (just verbally, not sexually or torture), then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

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1 hour ago, bigsky said:

this verdict is wrong......either you have the freedom of speech...let me dig it up for you

"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech."

 

abridged

[abridged]

ADJECTIVE

(of a piece of writing) having been shortened.

 

the verdict isnt wrong

 

you cant yell "fire" in a crowded theatre.

you cant make death threats to the President of the United States

there is no freedom of speech here.

 

that is why she was charged with manslaughter, not murder , causing the death of someone is manslaughter

 

the only thing the court got wrong was the sentence.

she should have received life, lord knows if that was a man, they would have locked his arse up for life.

because she is a woman they were lenient with the wench.

 

 

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Just now, chairmanOFTB said:

 

the verdict isnt wrong

 

you cant yell "fire" in a crowded theatre.

you cant make death threats to the President of the United States

there is no freedom of speech here.

 

that is why she was charged with manslaughter, not murder , causing the death of someone is manslaughter

 

the only thing the court got wrong was the sentence.

she should have received life, lord knows if that was a man, they would have locked his arse up for life.

because she is a woman they were lenient with the wench.

 

 

you can yell fire in a crowded theater....if there is a fire....or if it is part of the script....or if everyone in there knows you are going to do it.....

that isn't the same thing though.....by yelling fire in a crowded theater when there isn't one...you are CONNING people into a frenzy.....

telling someone to kill them selves isn't conning anyone into doing anything....yer essentially saying that all commercialism in this country is open to litigation you dumb ass....

I didn't really want to by the flobe hair cutting system...however the guy on the t.v. told me that I had to have it...so I bought it and couldn't afford my rent...so I got booted and now I have to kill myself …….you are dumb.....move to Pakistan...where free speech isn't constitutional you progressive cu nt

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6 hours ago, drvoke said:

 

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A Massachusetts court says: 'Yes'.

Good.

Her lawyer can quote the First Amendment, can parse it with hifalutin legalese until his Jew hook nose falls off.

The only thing that matters to me is: Was justice served? The answer is yes.

She is an evil bitch and should pay for it.

 

 

 

Mass. Woman Will Go to Prison for Urging Boyfriend in Texts to Kill Himself, Court Rules

The Massachusetts high court rejected Michelle Carter's appeal of her manslaughter conviction in the 2014 death by suicide of Conrad Roy II

https://people.com/crime/michelle-carter-suicide-text-case-urging-boyfriend-suicide-texts/

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A Massachusetts woman must serve prison time after she urged her boyfriend to kill himself in a series of text and phone conversations, a Massachusetts court ruled Monday.

The court’s ruling rejected an appeal by Michelle Carter, who was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter for the 2014 suicide of 18-year-old Conrad Roy II, when she was 17.

Carter had been sentenced to 15 months in jail after her conviction but remained free during her appeal. Her defense argued that her statements and texts urging Roy forward as he contemplated suicide were covered by First Amendment free-speech protections.

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court disagreed, concluding in its ruling that “the evidence was sufficient to support the judge’s finding of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed involuntary manslaughter as a youthful offender, and that the other legal issues presented by the defendant, including her First Amendment claim, lack merit,” in the opinion written by Justice Scott L. Kafker.

Roy died in his pickup truck from carbon monoxide poisoning — an act Carter had supported and encouraged in exchanges that came to light after Roy’s death on July 13, 2014.

Testimony at Carter’s 2017 trial revealed that Carter, who was not present with Roy at the time he died, was on the phone with him as he expressed doubts about his actions.

In finding Carter guilty, Bristol County Juvenile Court Judge Lawrence Moniz highlighted two revelations from Carter’s trial. As Roy expressed his desire to abort his fatal plan by getting out of the truck, Carter told him to get back in.  

 

Roy was a “vulnerable, confused, mentally ill, 18-year-old” who had stepped out of his truck as it filled with carbon monoxide,” Kafker wrote. “But then in this weakened state he was badgered back into the gas-infused truck by the defendant, his girlfriend.”

“After she convinced him to get back into the carbon monoxide filled truck,” he wrote, “she did absolutely nothing to help him: she did not call for help or tell him to get out of the truck as she listened to him choke and die.”

An attorney for Carter, Daniel N. Marx, said in a statement that her defense team was “disappointed” by Monday’s high court ruling, reports the Boston Globe.

“We continue to believe that Michelle Carter did not cause Conrad Roy’s tragic death, and she should not be held criminally responsible for his choice to end his own life,” said Marx. “Today’s decision stretches the law to assign blame for a tragedy that was not a crime.”

But he did not concede defeat, vowing to “evaluate all legal options for Michelle including a possible appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court,” according to his statement.

The high court’s ruling “has very troubling implications, for free speech, due process, and the exercise of prosecutorial discretion, that should concern us all,” he said. “There are good reasons why nearly every other state has passed a law to address ‘assisted suicide,’ which inevitably involves complicated circumstances better addressed as a matter of policy by the legislature than in any particular case by the court.”

 

 

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Boo hoo, bitch. Rot.

And this stint in prison will be nothing compared to how her actions will effect her entire life.

 


 

 

I’d take it all the way to the Supreme Court. 

 

Where’s HIS responsibility for his actual actions that caused his own death? 

 

This is is akin to blaming a gun instead of the person who pulled the trigger. 

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1 minute ago, DeepBreath said:

I’d take it all the way to the Supreme Court. 

 

Where’s HIS responsibility for his actual actions that caused his own death? 

 

This is is akin to blaming a gun instead of the person who pulled the trigger. 

which is probably the point....genius on your part.....this country needs great thinkers like you....I appreciate your sober look at it....I was simply hoping to get her off...because shes kinda hot...and my chances are better if she is out...instead of in....either way....yeah...yer right

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Regardless of whether the verdict is overturned or not, she is going to have to change her name and uproot herself, if not more. In this age of social media and limitless information, anyone who knows how to do an internet search will be able to see those text messages. Those texts indicate that she is a sociopath. 

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1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Regardless of whether the verdict is overturned or not, she is going to have to change her name and uproot herself, if not more. In this age of social media and limitless information, anyone who knows how to do an internet search will be able to see those text messages. Those texts indicate that she is a sociopath. 

those texts resemble 90% of the sh it on twitter.....

the booting out of God in the town square was the beginning of sorrows for this nation.....

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10 minutes ago, bigsky said:

you can yell fire in a crowded theater....if there is a fire..

 

you can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire? wow did you have a team of monkeys to figure that one out, so what is the purpose of a fire alarm in a theater?

consult with your monkeys and get back to us

 

11 minutes ago, bigsky said:

or if it is part of the script....or if everyone in there knows you are going to do it..

 

WTF does even mean? 

12 minutes ago, bigsky said:

telling someone to kill them selves isn't conning anyone into doing anything....yer essentially saying that all commercialism in this country is open to litigation you dumb ass.

 

are you on the sauce when you post? that makes no sense at all, logic isnt your strongest suit.

commercialism in this country is open to litigation? WTF 

 

 

13 minutes ago, bigsky said:

I didn't really want to by the flobe hair cutting system...however the guy on the t.v. told me that I had to have it...so I bought it and couldn't afford my rent...so I got booted and now I have to kill myself …….you are dumb.....move to Pakistan...where free speech isn't constitutional you progressive cu nt

 

Again with the stupid comparison, are you really that dumb?

If a person commits suicide because he or she heard voices in their head or claims the person on TV told them do so, that person on TV isnt responsible numbnuts

Just like in the late 80's when the parents of idiot loser teens committed suicide from claiming they got it from a Judas Priest song, ( cant remember the song) but they were sued, taken to court and it was thrown out after.

 

But in this case dumb phuck, they were in a relationship and their is text messages backing up the People's case

 

You do understand that you dense,or do we have to dumb it down for you ?

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

I read the text messages that available for the public to see and woman is a sick b!tch, he was weak and pathetic

She kept encouraging  him to commit suicide.

 

I think the law blew it on this one, they should have sentenced her longer, lord know if it was a man who encourage a woman do commit suicide he would have done at least life.

look at Charlie Manson what he go for ordering murders.

 

Look at the la cosa nostra bosses who have been convicted for ordering murders, whether you order a murder or convince some one to take their life , you are still responsible.

 

The little wench should be thanking her lawyers and feminism for the light sentence.

 

Hopefully when she gets to prison someone one will make her their bitch and forces her to commit suicide.

 

 

I disagree man. It's a free country. You can encourage people to kill themselves if you want to. 

 

 

 

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ok dude....on  a level you can understand....

"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech."

a·bridge

[əˈbrij]

VERB

law

curtail (a right or privilege).

cur·tail

[kərˈtāl]

VERB

reduce in extent or quantity; impose a restriction on.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

 

judges cant override the constitution....the ruling is notwithstanding......

YOU ARE WRONG...SO IS THE JUDGE....FREEDOM ISNT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU

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3 minutes ago, kfools said:

I disagree man. It's a free country. You can encourage people to kill themselves if you want to. 

 

 

 

freedom is not for most americans these days....unfortunately...

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Jail time or not, her life being changed/diminished, etc. I dont feel bad for her in the least. Words/actions have consequences. If you are not ready for the consequences (right or wrong does not matter), then maybe stop and think before one acts. 

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8 minutes ago, bigsky said:

freedom is not for most americans these days....unfortunately...

At least for the first time in a long time I can understand where the other side is coming from. 

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1 minute ago, kfools said:

At least for the first time in a long time I can understand where the other side is coming from. 

they are showing their true colors...

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