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Just now, ConConfounder said:

 

More phony gun-nut myths. 

 

For every case of legitimate self defense, there are more than a dozen cases of someone shooting a family member, accidental lethal discharge of a gun killing a family member, or the suicude of a family member.....almost none of which would have happened in the absence of a firearm in the house. While some people would "still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners", there would be far fewer of them, simply because guns are easy and quick, and all of the other means of murder are slower, less certain and easier to defend yourself against.....and gun violence is much less likely to occur because people have more time to cool off and have second thoughts if they can't just immediately grab their gun and blast away.

 

The so-called "benefits of having guns and the 2nd Amendment" are just illusions in the minds of gun-nuts and the firearm manufacturers who push the bogus pro-gun propaganda and myths. 

Making up stats and math now, huh? You should just admit you're wrong and learn. Once you start making crap up, you've lost.

 

 

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15 hours ago, harryramar said:

hey if you are that scared to go out the door without packing have at it. but at least admit you carry a gun out of fear and dread. I have balls and don't need a gun.

and of course maybe you live in a really crummy area with a lot of scary nigro men. 

 

Lame diversion attempt.

 

I have multiple guns. I'll shoot at a range, carry a rifle and a pistol in the mountains, or CCW when going to the city (which I avoid unless necessary).

 

Common sense in today's world - your cheesy diversion is really lame.

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3 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

More phony gun-nut myths. 

 

For every case of legitimate self defense, there are more than a dozen cases of someone shooting a family member, accidental lethal discharge of a gun killing a family member, or the suicude of a family member.....almost none of which would have happened in the absence of a firearm in the house. While some people would "still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners", there would be far fewer of them, simply because guns are easy and quick, and all of the other means of murder are slower, less certain and easier to defend yourself against.....and gun violence is much less likely to occur because people have more time to cool off and have second thoughts if they can't just immediately grab their gun and blast away.

 

The so-called "benefits of having guns and the 2nd Amendment" are just illusions in the minds of gun-nuts and the firearm manufacturers who push the bogus pro-gun propaganda and myths. 

 

ROFLMAO!!!
 

MORE agitPROP from your handlers, huh, SHlTSTAIN????

 

GUN DEATHS don't even make the TOP 10!!

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death#worldwide-causes

 

Keep trying though!! WE LOVE EXPOSING YOUR COMPLETE MORONIC MANIPULATED SELF!!!

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21 minutes ago, duck33 said:

 

And yet, crime rates in the US are going down. And there are still hundreds of thousands of cases in the US of guns being successfully used defensively.

 

You can argue all you want that the 2nd amendment is outdated, but you'll still be wrong. That's simply the way it is.

 

Crime rates are falling in pretty much every country in the Western world. That has nothing to do with American gun-nuts supposedly using their guns to defend themselves.
 
You can defend the absurdities of the current 2nd Amendment all you want.....but it is still archaic, outmoded, and quite stupid and unnecessary as it is currently being interpreted. 

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3 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

Crime rates are falling in pretty much every country in the Western world. That has nothing to do with American gun-nuts supposedly using their guns to defend themselves.
 
You can defend the absurdities of the current 2nd Amendment all you want.....but it is still archaic, outmoded, and quite stupid and unnecessary as it is currently being interpreted. 

If the 2nd goes so does the first... you fukking liberal asswipes better be real careful what you wish for!!!

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29 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

All deaths matter, moron. But the number of gun murders, gun mass shootings, gun suicides, and gun accidental deaths in the USA is many, many times higher compared to all the other industrialized nations who have instituted some reasonable and civilized limits on gun ownership. So those American gun deaths are unnecessary deaths resulting from a misinterpreted and archaic provision (that should be repealed) in our foundational legal structure, that frightened little punks (like you) fanatically cling to in order to sooth their paranoid fears and fantasies.

too funny, do you hear yourself, one minute you're talking our guns laws being archaic and in the next breath you show  your ignorance about other countries , you cant compare any country to the United States.......... MORON, our gun laws is what makes this country unique and why it has never been taken over by any dictator, even though the Weatherman in the 60s' tried.

 

Every country in the world has had mass shootings, every phucking country, gun laws hasn't stopped them nor will stop them, and the countries with strictest gun laws hasnt stopped gun deaths totally, because their criminals  dont care about the law

 

 

34 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

How many people have been murdered in 'mass stabbings', you morally deficient mental midget? America is the only country in the world to have a major problem with mass shootings, and we are up to about one per day at this point. There are way too many guns in circulation and available to just about anybody.

 

Dummy, China has mass stabbings, Japan has mass stabbing, south korea has mass stabbings, you dont read about them from your comfy sofa in your phucking basement

 

Comparing America to Australia? Another ridiculous comparison, since Australia’s  last gun  ban , In Melbourne you have a suburb called West Heidelberg, it  has one of the highest murder rates and  of Sydney you have Mount Druitt and the suburbs north of there have high crime rates and the locals know you don’t go out at night.

Yes Gun deaths have decreased in Australia(minus the suicides) , but you forgot to mention, Knife deaths has INCREASED, gun deaths are happening still but it’s mostly from Criminal gangs

 

Try traveling a bit more or leaving the house vs stinking up your cushions and sticky keyboard, you might learn something 

freak.

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, MidnightMax said:

 

You wanna PROVE you are a COWARD AGAIN, haityGOATBALLboi???

 

No really.


DO YOU???

ok 3 votes, post another fake address you ;lying sack of puss. 

go ahead I am calling your bluff.

checkmate chickenboy. now off you go 3 votes.

slither away like the weasel you are. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, LaughinAtLefty said:

Lame diversion attempt.

 

I have multiple guns. I'll shoot at a range, carry a rifle and a pistol in the mountains, or CCW when going to the city (which I avoid unless necessary).

 

Common sense in today's world - your cheesy diversion is really lame.

as you believe so shall it be done unto you. if you believe you will need a gun you should carry a gun by all means. 

I don't; care if you folks pack heat but why do so many gun nuts get angry when someone says they don't need a gun. if I lived in fear I would carry one too.

I don't live a fear based life, that is insane.

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16 hours ago, chairmanOFTB said:

too funny, do you hear yourself, one minute you're talking our guns laws being archaic and in the next breath you show  your ignorance about other countries , you cant compare any country to the United States.......... MORON, our gun laws is what makes this country unique and why it has never been taken over by any dictator, even though the Weatherman in the 60s' tried.

 

Every country in the world has had mass shootings, every phucking country, gun laws hasn't stopped them nor will stop them, and the countries with strictest gun laws hasnt stopped gun deaths totally, because their criminals  dont care about the law

 

It's pretty hilarious that an ignorant retard like yourself imagines that the lies and gun-nut propaganda you spew has any relation to reality.

Australia, Israel, Japan, and South Korea rarely have mass shootings — and the reasons are clear

Business Insider
 
Feb. 22, 2018, 1:52 AM
  • While mass shootings have increased in regularity in the US, other countries have found ways to prevent them.
  • Places like South Korea, Israel, Australia, and Japan simply require people to meet a number of rigorous standards before they can gain access to firearms.
  • In Australia's case, its efforts mean there have been no catastrophic mass shootings by a single gunman since its worst-ever massacre in 1996.

In 1996, Australia saw its worst-ever shooting by a single gunman. In the Port Arthur massacre, 35 people were killed and a further 23 were injured.

 

The Prime Minister at the time, John Howard, had been in power for just six weeks but almost immediately began strengthening gun control. 

 

Licensing was improved and a registration system established which required all potential gun owners to have a "genuine reason" for having a firearm — personal protection not being one of them. Automatic and some semi-automatic guns were banned. 

 

A cooling off period was also introduced, ensuring anyone who wants a firearm must wait nearly a month between applying and buying a gun.

 

The following year, the Australian government spent $304 million to buy back, and destroy, 650,000 firearms. 

 

In the years since, only one mass shooting — an instance of domestic violence which killed one adult and three children— has occurred in Australia. 

 

While Australia's swift and broad gun-control laws are often lauded, it is not the only country that has figured out ways to essentially eliminate massacres. 

Japanese gun fans have to regularly take written tests

For potential gun owners in Japan, buying a firearm is not easy. 

 

First, there is an all day class followed by a written test. Then there is a shooting-range test, which requires 95% accuracy to pass.

 

Next is a hospital-coordinated mental-health evaluation on top of a background check and interviews with loved ones. If someone manages to pass each stage, they can then purchase an air rifle or shotgun. Handguns are not available. 

Then, every three years, gun owners must attend another class and retake the written exam. 

Israeli shooters must wait until their twenties

Israeli teens cannot purchase guns. 

 

Those who have completed military training can apply for a gun at 21, while others must wait until they turn 27.

 

A gun license is only approved for those people whose jobs or neighborhoods are considered dangerous. Applicants also face background checks and need to supply a medical certificate from their doctor. 

 

Just like in Japan, a license is not permanent. They must be renewed every three years. 

Bullets are also limited, with ordinary citizens allocated 50 bullets per year.

South Korean guns aren't kept at home

South Korea has more than half a million registered guns, but they are not easy to obtain, nor are they readily accessible.

 

In South Korea, where many men learn to use firearms during military service, guns are just not easily available. People must first obtain a license from police and, even with a license, can only purchase air rifles or hunting guns. 

 

When they are not in use, generally outside of hunting season, firearms must be kept at police stations. 

 

The advertising of guns and ammunition is also banned.

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, chairmanOFTB said:

Comparing America to Australia? Another ridiculous comparison, since Australia’s  last gun  ban , In Melbourne you have a suburb called West Heidelberg, it  has one of the highest murder rates and  of Sydney you have Mount Druitt and the suburbs north of there have high crime rates and the locals know you don’t go out at night.

 

Yes Gun deaths have decreased in Australia(minus the suicides) , but you forgot to mention, Knife deaths has INCREASED, gun deaths are happening still but it’s mostly from Criminal gangs

 

Your bogus gun-nut myths are just more meaningless drivel, chairmanOFTheBraindead.

 

in the real world.....

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

It's pretty hilarious that an ignorant retard like yourself imagines that the lies and gun-nut propaganda you spew has any relation to reality.

Australia, Israel, Japan, and South Korea rarely have mass shootings — and the reasons are clear

Business Insider
 
Feb. 22, 2018, 1:52 AM
  • While mass shootings have increased in regularity in the US, other countries have found ways to prevent them.
  • Places like South Korea, Israel, Australia, and Japan simply require people to meet a number of rigorous standards before they can gain access to firearms.
  • In Australia's case, its efforts mean there have been no catastrophic mass shootings by a single gunman since its worst-ever massacre in 1996.

In 1996, Australia saw its worst-ever shooting by a single gunman. In the Port Arthur massacre, 35 people were killed and a further 23 were injured.

 

The Prime Minister at the time, John Howard, had been in power for just six weeks but almost immediately began strengthening gun control. 

 

Licensing was improved and a registration system established which required all potential gun owners to have a "genuine reason" for having a firearm — personal protection not being one of them. Automatic and some semi-automatic guns were banned. 

 

A cooling off period was also introduced, ensuring anyone who wants a firearm must wait nearly a month between applying and buying a gun.

 

The following year, the Australian government spent $304 million to buy back, and destroy, 650,000 firearms. 

 

In the years since, only one mass shooting — an instance of domestic violence which killed one adult and three children— has occurred in Australia. 

 

While Australia's swift and broad gun-control laws are often lauded, it is not the only country that has figured out ways to essentially eliminate massacres. 

Japanese gun fans have to regularly take written tests

For potential gun owners in Japan, buying a firearm is not easy. 

 

First, there is an all day class followed by a written test. Then there is a shooting-range test, which requires 95% accuracy to pass.

 

Next is a hospital-coordinated mental-health evaluation on top of a background check and interviews with loved ones. If someone manages to pass each stage, they can then purchase an air rifle or shotgun. Handguns are not available. 

Then, every three years, gun owners must attend another class and retake the written exam. 

Israeli shooters must wait until their twenties

Israeli teens cannot purchase guns. 

 

Those who have completed military training can apply for a gun at 21, while others must wait until they turn 27.

 

A gun license is only approved for those people whose jobs or neighborhoods are considered dangerous. Applicants also face background checks and need to supply a medical certificate from their doctor. 

 

Just like in Japan, a license is not permanent. They must be renewed every three years. 

Bullets are also limited, with ordinary citizens allocated 50 bullets per year.

South Korean guns aren't kept at home

South Korea has more than half a million registered guns, but they are not easy to obtain, nor are they readily accessible.

 

In South Korea, where many men learn to use firearms during military service, guns are just not easily available. People must first obtain a license from police and, even with a license, can only purchase air rifles or hunting guns. 

 

When they are not in use, generally outside of hunting season, firearms must be kept at police stations. 

 

The advertising of guns and ammunition is also banned.

 

 

 

 

 

Your bogus gun-nut myths are just more meaningless drivel, chairmanOFTheBraindead.

 

in the real world.....

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

 

 

dumb phuck

 

did you say that death is death, it doesn't matter how someone was killed

 

Those countries have less gun deaths but people are being killed from other methods dumbphuck and the murder decreasing in Australia wasn't because of confiscation of guns

you lying piece of dog crap 

 

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 5:16 AM, BullConnor said:

Try to come and take my weapons you gun grabbing liberal fukks, make my day. 

Keep your guns, but don't you dare cry victim in my presence.  

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What're you gonna do, hurt him?

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15 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Keep your guns, but don't you dare cry victim in my presence.  

Liberals own the victim card. 

 

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Says the guy who thinks making women defenseless will make him safer

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:02 AM, guilluamezenz said:

A spate of violence in the 1980s and '90s that culminated in a 1996 shooting that left 35 dead led Australian Prime Minister John Howard to convene an assembly to devise gun-control strategies.

The group landed on a massive buyback program, costing hundreds of millions of dollars offset by a one-time tax increase, that bought and destroyed more than 600,000 automatic and semiautomatic weapons and pump-action shotguns.

 

Over the next few years, gun-death totals were cut nearly in half. Firearm suicides dropped to 0.8 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 2.2 in 1995, while firearm homicides dropped to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 0.37 in 1995  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gun-deaths-eliminated-america-learn-japan-australia-uk-norway-florida-shooting-latest-news-a8216301.html

 

Australia after gun control ...

 

The Monash University shooting in 2002.   A student killed 2 and injured 5 other classmates and teachers.   And it didn’t end up worse ONLY because an unarmed teacher and student grabbed and subdued the gunman when he stopped to switch weapons.   They found FIVE guns in holsters around his waist.    So he intended to kill many more.

 

The 2011 Hectorville siege where a man murdered 3 people and shot 3 more with a gun.  

 

And what about the man who killed his wife and 3 children with a gun in September of 2014?    

 

And in December 2014 a man WITH A GUN held 18 people hostage in a cafe.   Police stormed the cafe and shot him dead AFTER he executed one of the hostages.    Another hostage was killed by police during the assault.  

 

In 2018 a mass shooting near Margaret River, Australia, in the small village of Osmington, left a family of seven, including four children, dead. 

 

Yes, its true that in 1996 Australian socialists implimented a massive purge of guns with draconian laws and they destroyed more than 600,000 guns.  Politicians promised that Australia would soon be safer as a result. But decades later, authorities are still trying to get guns off the street with new laws and thousands and thousands of gun seizures and arrests.  The New South Wales police commissioner complained "There is no single source of gun violence ... guns have fallen into the hands of organized crime, outlaw motorcycle gangs, mid-level crime groups and petty thieves and the lines are often blurred." The point is that criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. You only end up letting the wolves free to prey upon disarmed sheep.   

 

This chart suggest this ...

 

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Both the number of incidents and the 10 year average number of deaths has not been changed buy gun control.    The left just used on big incident in 1995 to push gun control.

 

Truth is ... if you look at the actual statistics (as opposed to the claims of folks like you), removing all those guns has done very little to make Australia safer.  Indeed, per one could argue just the opposite. Turns out that the number of homicide and manslaughter deaths were essentially unchanged between 1996 and 2007.  In fact, heres data from 1990 to 2010.

 

 

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Overall, three was about a 32% drop in the murder rate.  But America's murder rate during that same period also dropped 32% … without similar gun bans.

 

Here:

 

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Also, note that Australia gun homicide rate was declining before the buy back program at about the same rate it did after.    So arguably, the Australia gun bans actually made no difference. Other factors must control the murder rate.   This assertion is further supported by this chart ...

 

GUNS-IN-OTHER-COUNTRIES-Australia-Homici

 

You can see that not only the firearm murder rate but the murder rates by other means were dropping throughout this whole period.    Some other factor was controlling the murder rate decline, rather than gun control.   And again you can see that the firearm murder rate was dropping before the gun control measures were enacted at about the same rate it dropped after.
 

Charts on the firearm suicide rate also suggest something else was going on to reduce the numbers.   Here ...

 

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Notice that the firearm suicide rate was dropping for nearly a decade before the gun buy back.     And it was dropping at exactly the same rate it continued dropping after the buy back began.   So one could again argue that the buy back had no impact ... that whatever was causing the rate to drop before the buy back was still causing the rate to drop.

 

Furthermore, in that same time period, according to data from the Australian Institute of Criminology ( http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/facts/1-20/2011.html ), Australia's overall violence rate rose 42%. Rapes increased 30%. Robberies increased 6.2%. Assault rose 49%. Whereas in America, without similar gun bans … at a time when more and more communities were allowing ordinary citizens to carry guns, the overall violent crime rate decreased 32%. Rape dropped 19%. Robbery decreased 33%. Aggravated assault dropped 32%. This seems to me to prove that forceably removing guns from Australian society did not create this utopia you claim. It arguably made their society less safe. 

 

You might want to read this:

 

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html

 

It notes that Australia’s laws concerning guns have done little to Australia’s armed robbery rate:

 

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It also points to a scientific study that was done comparing mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand:   https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2122854 .  Why New Zealand?  Because “New Zealand is strikingly similar to Australia. Both are isolated island nations, demographically and socioeconomically similar. Their mass murder rate before Australia's gun ban was nearly identical: From 1980 to 1996, Australia's mass murder rate was 0.0042 incidents per 100,000 people and New Zealand's was 0.0050 incidents per 100,000 people.”   But unlike Australia, after 1997 “New Zealand remained armed to the teeth -- including with guns that were suddenly banned in Australia.”   And they found that “While it's true that Australia has had no more mass shootings since its gun ban, neither has New Zealand, despite continuing to be massively armed.” 

 

Just saying ... :lol:
 

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24 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Never said that.  Now you're lying about me.   :D

 

Most certainly did.
Yes or no, do you favor law abiding citizens walking around armed for their own protection?
Yes or no?

 

 

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20 hours ago, ConConfounder said:

 

Crime rates are falling in pretty much every country in the Western world. That has nothing to do with American gun-nuts supposedly using their guns to defend themselves.
 
You can defend the absurdities of the current 2nd Amendment all you want.....but it is still archaic, outmoded, and quite stupid and unnecessary as it is currently being interpreted. 

Crime rates includes gun violence. As such, there is zero need or rational argument to be made for banning guns. The actual percentage of victims is way too small to justify it, and declining year after years as well. Add to that hundreds of thousands of cases where a gun is used for defense as well and you've literally zero ground to stand on.

 

 

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Liberals say we don't need The Wall because illegal immigration has dropped from it's peak. 

So why do they claim we need gun control, when it too, has dropped from it's peak?

 

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13 hours ago, harryramar said:

as you believe so shall it be done unto you. if you believe you will need a gun you should carry a gun by all means. 

I don't; care if you folks pack heat but why do so many gun nuts get angry when someone says they don't need a gun. if I lived in fear I would carry one too.

I don't live a fear based life, that is insane.

 

Go camping in the mountains with your kids sometime, where bear and big cats are around.

 

It's hardly fear, in this case - it protection of those I care about most.

 

Keep pushing your fact-less talking points...

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:58 PM, Chuck! said:

 

 

Let us see if you are as dishonest as all the other Libs on this site.
You are correct, the wording is clear, but somehow you messed up the meaning.
Please allow me to clarify.
You passed fifth grade English right? I mean, you know the parts of a sentence, and can diagram one, right? Of course you can! After all, this is stuff they teach fifth graders.

So, please tell the class the subject of the sentence, and the predicate, and their purpose, and kindly explain what a prefatory clause is and identify it in the sentence.
Are you ready? Here is the sentence:

 

"A well educated electorate being necessary to the security of a free state, the right or the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

 

Can you do that, slideman?
 

 

 

 

Half-man is stealing someone else's idea without attribution and acting as if he had an original thought. LOL.

 

Plagiarism at its worst. What a dunce!

 

Bill

 

 

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10 hours ago, LaughinAtLefty said:

 

Go camping in the mountains with your kids sometime, where bear and big cats are around.

 

It's hardly fear, in this case - it protection of those I care about most.

 

Keep pushing your fact-less talking points...

I agree. if you go camping yo should take a gun. but taking a gun to Walmart is hardly the same thing. 

unless one is that  terrified in which case a gun probably is not a good idea.

who besides those wimps in texas needs a gun to shop at Walmart? I guess those old greeters scare those he-men. LOL

 

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 5:45 PM, kfools said:

They are intertwined. Let's not pretend otherwise. You aren't stupid.

They are intertwined-- coincidentally I'm sure --just exactly as far as being poor and being a minority are intertwined.

 

Or are you suggesting you're a member of some superior race that's smarter and more civilized somehow.

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