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These four countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths - here's what the US can learn

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3 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

Their murder is caused by the VODKA BOTTLE!

 

There's always a reason to oppose freedom, isn't there, futz?

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47 minutes ago, IvanSirko said:

 

 

 yes the damn capitalist honkers are polluting our water and food with oestrogen causing all sorts of animal mutations , sex changes etc..BTW i have noticed your writing has got feminised lately, either your turning French or you need to lay off battery farm eggs

I am a male RN.... I have many traditional feminine values such as care, compassion, expression etc. 

 

Gets the chicks hot! 

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25 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

Their murder is caused by the VODKA BOTTLE!

 

The alcohol rate and it causing death is very high in Russia...Vodka the national drink;  is VERY cheap there.

 

BTW: I have a friend who lives in Moscow...I talk to him every now and than. He tells me these things.

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42 minutes ago, MidnightMax said:

 

COWARD!!! YOU GODDAMN RAN LIKE THAT COWARD GOAT BALLED MORON YOU ARE!!


Wanna try again, hairyGOATFUC'KER??? I got a NEW PLACE you can come to!!!
 

Only THIS TIME, SHOW UP, PUSSIBOI!!

 

 

Ran from what, 3 votes???

a fake address ?

you are too intellectually limited to even have it dawn on you that rather than drive 700 or 800 miles I would do a the google maps thingy.

it took 24 seconds to discover no such address exists.

this why even your family didn’t vote for you. They probably thunk you would get 40 or 50 votes and could pretend they voted for you.

but 3 votes made it impossible to hide the fact that those who know you best didn’t vote for you.

thanksgiving must be awkward😀

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Happiness is shooting a gun grabber right between the beady eyes and watching them convulse to death.

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3 hours ago, ConConfounder said:

 

....."the same purpose it was intended for"....

 

You mean shooting Redskins and defending the Colonies against the British? Riiiiight. You poor, foolish gun-nut moron.

 

Your idiotic paranoid fantasies are not worth a fart in hell, let alone the life of even ONE of the children killed in the hundreds of mass shootings in America's schools, or the lives of the thousands of innocent people killed in all the other mass shootings in America, that now occur at a rate of almost one per day. 

 

3 hours ago, duck33 said:

No, I mean for defense. It's that simple. Deal with it. 

 

You crackpot gun-nuts are pitifully ignorant about the reality of gun ownership. In your very ignorant and silly macho posturing, you imagine that you are protecting yourselves and making your home and family safer by having a gun, when the exact opposite is actually the case. In reality, GUNS MAKE US LESS SAFE!!!

 

Guns in homes pose greater risk to families than to intruders, data show

 

A gun in the home -- thus available for self-defense -- is 22 times more likely to be used in an assault or homicide, an accidental shooting or a suicide or attempted suicide.

 

Researchers reached this conclusion by studying hospital admissions, emergency medical technician reports, police and medical examiner files in 626 shootings in or around a residence in three cities: Galveston, Texas; Seattle, Wash.; and Memphis, Tenn., for between 12 and 18 months.

 

The study was published in The Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, in August 1998, by Dr. Arthur Kellerman of Emory University in Atlanta and four other authors. Their study was supported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

In those shootings studied by Kellerman and the co-authors, only 13 were in self-defense or were legally justifiable, and that included three shootings by law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty.

 

By contrast, 54 shootings were unintentional, 118 were attempted or completed suicides, and the vast majority of these shootings -- 438 -- were assaults or homicides.

Simply put: for every time a gun in or around the home was used in self-defense, or in a legally justified shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

 

That's one self-defense shooting for 22 accidental, suicidal or criminal shootings -- hardly support for the notion that having a gun handy makes people safer.

 

Other studies show that women and children are disproportionately the victims of such gunshots, and that when children commit suicide, guns in their home or at their friends or relatives' homes are used.

 

These facts, the sad headlines, and the huge medical bills and family traumas behind them, are even more numbing when you consider that guns kept at home are supposed to be locked away to prevent their misuse.

 

Common sense would dictate that a lethal weapon be kept secure and unavailable, but the rates of accidental and suicidal shootings suggest these guns are not kept under lock and key.

 

Instead they are readily, and recklessly and painfully, available to the wrong hands -- which Kellerman and his colleagues showed happens -- by a factor of 22.

 

Now consider that the gun lobby wants to make it legal to bring some of these guns out of the house, without a closet door or trigger lock to prevent their accidental or criminal use, and into the stresses and surprises of everyday life.

 

Put those guns in someone's pocket, or in the car, or a briefcase, backpack or purse and you logically increase the likelihood that there will be an accidental or wrongful discharge. Such as a split-second and irrevocable pull of a trigger in response to a perceived threat or in a moment of road rage.

 

Or when someone is handed a pink slip. Or in a domestic argument after one too many beers.

 

The core of the argument for concealed carry is that guns make people safer. The presence of guns in the home -- by a factor of 22 on the wrong side of the equation -- shows that firearms that could be used in self-defense actually make many more people unsafe, injured and dead.

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15 hours ago, guilluamezenz said:

A spate of violence in the 1980s and '90s that culminated in a 1996 shooting that left 35 dead led Australian Prime Minister John Howard to convene an assembly to devise gun-control strategies.

The group landed on a massive buyback program, costing hundreds of millions of dollars offset by a one-time tax increase, that bought and destroyed more than 600,000 automatic and semiautomatic weapons and pump-action shotguns.

 

Over the next few years, gun-death totals were cut nearly in half. Firearm suicides dropped to 0.8 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 2.2 in 1995, while firearm homicides dropped to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 0.37 in 1995  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gun-deaths-eliminated-america-learn-japan-australia-uk-norway-florida-shooting-latest-news-a8216301.html

Why do deaths only matter if a gun is involved?

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2 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

 

You crackpot gun-nuts are pitifully ignorant about the reality of gun ownership. In your very ignorant and silly macho posturing, you imagine that you are protecting yourselves and making your home and family safer by having a gun, when the exact opposite is actually the case. In reality, GUNS MAKE US LESS SAFE!!!

 

Guns in homes pose greater risk to families than to intruders, data show

 

A gun in the home -- thus available for self-defense -- is 22 times more likely to be used in an assault or homicide, an accidental shooting or a suicide or attempted suicide.

 

Researchers reached this conclusion by studying hospital admissions, emergency medical technician reports, police and medical examiner files in 626 shootings in or around a residence in three cities: Galveston, Texas; Seattle, Wash.; and Memphis, Tenn., for between 12 and 18 months.

 

The study was published in The Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, in August 1998, by Dr. Arthur Kellerman of Emory University in Atlanta and four other authors. Their study was supported by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

In those shootings studied by Kellerman and the co-authors, only 13 were in self-defense or were legally justifiable, and that included three shootings by law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty.

 

By contrast, 54 shootings were unintentional, 118 were attempted or completed suicides, and the vast majority of these shootings -- 438 -- were assaults or homicides.

Simply put: for every time a gun in or around the home was used in self-defense, or in a legally justified shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

 

That's one self-defense shooting for 22 accidental, suicidal or criminal shootings -- hardly support for the notion that having a gun handy makes people safer.

 

Other studies show that women and children are disproportionately the victims of such gunshots, and that when children commit suicide, guns in their home or at their friends or relatives' homes are used.

 

These facts, the sad headlines, and the huge medical bills and family traumas behind them, are even more numbing when you consider that guns kept at home are supposed to be locked away to prevent their misuse.

 

Common sense would dictate that a lethal weapon be kept secure and unavailable, but the rates of accidental and suicidal shootings suggest these guns are not kept under lock and key.

 

Instead they are readily, and recklessly and painfully, available to the wrong hands -- which Kellerman and his colleagues showed happens -- by a factor of 22.

 

Now consider that the gun lobby wants to make it legal to bring some of these guns out of the house, without a closet door or trigger lock to prevent their accidental or criminal use, and into the stresses and surprises of everyday life.

 

Put those guns in someone's pocket, or in the car, or a briefcase, backpack or purse and you logically increase the likelihood that there will be an accidental or wrongful discharge. Such as a split-second and irrevocable pull of a trigger in response to a perceived threat or in a moment of road rage.

 

Or when someone is handed a pink slip. Or in a domestic argument after one too many beers.

 

The core of the argument for concealed carry is that guns make people safer. The presence of guns in the home -- by a factor of 22 on the wrong side of the equation -- shows that firearms that could be used in self-defense actually make many more people unsafe, injured and dead.

Sorry, but there are hundreds of thousands of cases of guns being used successfully for defense every year.

 

And the study you're citing isnt surprising at all. Guns are quick and convenient to use for suicide. And in domestic situations. If we ban them, people will still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners.

 

The benefits of having guns and the 2nd amendment far outweigh the cons, regardless of your feelings. Logic beats emotion, friend. 

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4 minutes ago, duck33 said:

Why do deaths only matter if a gun is involved?

i can actually answer that Guns are now responsible for 75% of killings in America https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gun-deaths-killings-control-homicides-america-shootings-a8285916.html also  a person is 15 times more likely to survive a knife attack 

  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/four-times-more-stabbed-than-rifles-any-kind/ to make a long story short guns are a special case they are designed to kill and serve no other purpose, in the uk farmers can have them to cull vermin and sportmen can have them in restricted circumstance 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, duck33 said:

Sorry, but there are hundreds of thousands of cases of guns being used successfully for defense every year.

 

And the study you're citing isnt surprising at all. Guns are quick and convenient to use for suicide. And in domestic situations. If we ban them, people will still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners.

 

The benefits of having guns and the 2nd amendment far outweigh the cons, regardless of your feelings. Logic beats emotion, friend. 

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Study: Guns in home increase suicide, homicide risk

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UPDATED ON: JANUARY 20, 2014 / 5:01 PM / CBS NEWS

Study after study seems to point to a similar conclusion: More guns mean more unnatural death.

A new survey in the Annals of Internal Medicine narrows down some of the causal relationship between guns and death by finding conclusively that having a gun in your home makes you more likely to successfully attempt suicide. The authors of the survey also found with a lesser degree of certainty that people with guns in their home are more likely to be the victims of a homicide.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/

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9 minutes ago, duck33 said:

Sorry, but there are hundreds of thousands of cases of guns being used successfully for defense every year.

 

And the study you're citing isnt surprising at all. Guns are quick and convenient to use for suicide. And in domestic situations. If we ban them, people will still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners.

 

The benefits of having guns and the 2nd amendment far outweigh the cons, regardless of your feelings. Logic beats emotion, friend. 

 

exactly, and you notice there is no national study, because it would ruin their party 

nothing hurts the left more than actual facts.

 

I love the story about this woman whose son friend tried to rape her during a sleepover and it if it wasn't for the fact that she had a gun and attempted to use , he would have raped her

https://nypost.com/2018/06/06/teen-tried-to-rape-friends-mom-at-sleepover-cops/

 

or last year where a jack off car thief tried to steal a car from a woman with her babies inside as she went to pay for gas, she ran out to the car got in retrieved the gun from her car and shot the bastard

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/07/05/mom-shoots-carjacker-steals-car-kids-inside/760671002/

 

these a few but many examples that shows how guns saves lives

 

 

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1 minute ago, guilluamezenz said:
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Study: Guns in home increase suicide, homicide risk

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UPDATED ON: JANUARY 20, 2014 / 5:01 PM / CBS NEWS

Study after study seems to point to a similar conclusion: More guns mean more unnatural death.

A new survey in the Annals of Internal Medicine narrows down some of the causal relationship between guns and death by finding conclusively that having a gun in your home makes you more likely to successfully attempt suicide. The authors of the survey also found with a lesser degree of certainty that people with guns in their home are more likely to be the victims of a homicide.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/

That first sentence simply doesnt make sense. More guns do not equal more death. If that were true, America would lead the world in murder per capita. There are a variety of factors.

 

Simply put, there is no justification for banning guns or repealing the 2nd amendment. One of the left's favorite countries to bring up is Australia, and there is no evidence to support that what was done is Australia lowered the murders per capita there. None.

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7 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

i can actually answer that Guns are now responsible for 75% of killings in America https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gun-deaths-killings-control-homicides-america-shootings-a8285916.html also  a person is 15 times more likely to survive a knife attack 

  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/four-times-more-stabbed-than-rifles-any-kind/ to make a long story short guns are a special case they are designed to kill and serve no other purpose, in the uk farmers can have them to cull vermin and sportmen can have them in restricted circumstance 

 

 

 

 

 

most guns deaths are drug/crime related and suicides

 

and the UK shouldn't talk about our gun crimes when they are the stabbing capital of Europe and London has the most acid attacks, crap like doesnt go on here because depending on which state you live in a gun could save your life from a would be attacker with a knife.

 

why dont you talk about the stabbing deaths in the UK? 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

exactly, and you notice there is no national study, because it would ruin their party 

nothing hurts the left more than actual facts.

 

I love the story about this woman whose son friend tried to rape her during a sleepover and it if it wasn't for the fact that she had a gun and attempted to use , he would have raped her

https://nypost.com/2018/06/06/teen-tried-to-rape-friends-mom-at-sleepover-cops/

 

or last year where a jack off car thief tried to steal a car from a woman with her babies inside as she went to pay for gas, she ran out to the car got in retrieved the gun from her car and shot the bastard

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/07/05/mom-shoots-carjacker-steals-car-kids-inside/760671002/

 

these a few but many examples that shows how guns saves lives

 

 

And there are at least a few hundred thousand more cases like those every year. 

 

It's all about people control in the end.

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4 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

 

most guns deaths are drug/crime related and suicides

 

and the UK shouldn't talk about our gun crimes when they are the stabbing capital of Europe and London has the most acid attacks, crap like doesnt go on here because depending on which state you live in a gun could save your life from a would be attacker with a knife.

 

why dont you talk about the stabbing deaths in the UK? 

 

 

And that's not the only thing increasing over there. Rape cases are way up as well.

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4 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

 

most guns deaths are drug/crime related and suicides

 

and the UK shouldn't talk about our gun crimes when they are the stabbing capital of Europe and London has the most acid attacks, crap like doesnt go on here because depending on which state you live in a gun could save your life from a would be attacker with a knife.

 

why dont you talk about the stabbing deaths in the UK? 

 

 

so? and actually no thats not accurate 

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1 minute ago, duck33 said:

And that's not the only thing increasing over there. Rape cases are way up as well.

shhhhhhh, dont tell them that, you will ruin their utopian thinking Duck.

 

 

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1 minute ago, guilluamezenz said:

so? and actually no thats not accurate 

 

b.s, sorry the numbers dont lie, dont know what FBI stat youve read, but that isnt true.

Chicago by its self has more homicides per week

 

 

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23 minutes ago, duck33 said:

Why do deaths only matter if a gun is involved?

 

Your question is very stupid!

 

All deaths matter, moron. But the number of gun murders, gun mass shootings, gun suicides, and gun accidental deaths in the USA is many, many times higher compared to all the other industrialized nations who have instituted some reasonable and civilized limits on gun ownership. So those American gun deaths are unnecessary deaths resulting from a misinterpreted and archaic provision (that should be repealed) in our foundational legal structure, that frightened little punks (like you) fanatically cling to in order to sooth their paranoid fears and fantasies.

 

How many people have been murdered in 'mass stabbings', you morally deficient mental midget? America is the only country in the world to have a major problem with mass shootings, and we are up to about one per day at this point. There are way too many guns in circulation and available to just about anybody.

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1 minute ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

b.s, sorry the numbers dont lie, dont know what FBI stat youve read, but that isnt true.

Chicago by its self has more homicides per week

 

 

 

1 minute ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

b.s, sorry the numbers dont lie, dont know what FBI stat youve read, but that isnt true.

Chicago by its self has more homicides per week

 

 

you are right numbers dont lie https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/External-Link?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fbi.gov%2Fabout-us%2Fcjis%2Fucr%2Fcrime-in-the-u.s%2F2011%2Fcrime-in-the-u.s.-2011%2Ftables%2Ftable-1  read them and weep https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

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2 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

Your question is very stupid!

 

All deaths matter, moron. But the number of gun murders, gun mass shootings, gun suicides, and gun accidental deaths in the USA is many, many times higher compared to all the other industrialized nations who have instituted some reasonable and civilized limits on gun ownership. So those American gun deaths are unnecessary deaths resulting from a misinterpreted and archaic provision (that should be repealed) in our foundational legal structure, that frightened little punks (like you) fanatically cling to in order to sooth their paranoid fears and fantasies.

 

How many people have been murdered in 'mass stabbings', you morally deficient mental midget? America is the only country in the world to have a major problem with mass shootings, and we are up to about one per day at this point. There are way too many guns in circulation and available to just about anybody.

well yes they do ass wipe my point is by restricting gun ownership you can eleiminated 75% of homicides in the usa, remember our homicide and villent croime rate is 5 times that of ations like austrlai canada and the uk 10 times higher than the netherlands or germany

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3 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

shhhhhhh, dont tell them that, you will ruin their utopian thinking Duck.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, ConConfounder said:

 

Your question is very stupid!

 

All deaths matter, moron. But the number of gun murders, gun mass shootings, gun suicides, and gun accidental deaths in the USA is many, many times higher compared to all the other industrialized nations who have instituted some reasonable and civilized limits on gun ownership. So those American gun deaths are unnecessary deaths resulting from a misinterpreted and archaic provision (that should be repealed) in our foundational legal structure, that frightened little punks (like you) fanatically cling to in order to sooth their paranoid fears and fantasies.

 

How many people have been murdered in 'mass stabbings', you morally deficient mental midget? America is the only country in the world to have a major problem with mass shootings, and we are up to about one per day at this point. There are way too many guns in circulation and available to just about anybody.

And yet, crime rates in the US are going down. And there are still hundreds of thousands of cases in the US of guns being successfully used defensively.

 

You can argue all you want that the 2nd amendment is outdated, but you'll still be wrong. That's simply the way it is.

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I only skimmed over it but this is only a buyback program which says nothing about taking away gun ownership rights, I see nothing wrong with decreasing the amount of guns in circulation, they are allowed with those responsible and if a family member finds themselves in possession of guns owned by a deceased relative they could have the option of selling them back if they dont want them.

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30 minutes ago, duck33 said:

Sorry, but there are hundreds of thousands of cases of guns being used successfully for defense every year.

 

And the study you're citing isnt surprising at all. Guns are quick and convenient to use for suicide. And in domestic situations. If we ban them, people will still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners.

 

The benefits of having guns and the 2nd amendment far outweigh the cons, regardless of your feelings. Logic beats emotion, friend. 

 

More phony gun-nut myths. 

 

For every case of legitimate self defense, there are more than a dozen cases of someone shooting a family member, accidental lethal discharge of a gun killing a family member, or the suicude of a family member.....almost none of which would have happened in the absence of a firearm in the house. While some people would "still get killed in their own homes by spouses or partners", there would be far fewer of them, simply because guns are easy and quick, and all of the other means of murder are slower, less certain and easier to defend yourself against.....and gun violence is much less likely to occur because people have more time to cool off and have second thoughts if they can't just immediately grab their gun and blast away.

 

The so-called "benefits of having guns and the 2nd Amendment" are just illusions in the minds of gun-nuts and the firearm manufacturers who push the bogus pro-gun propaganda and myths. 

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2 hours ago, harryramar said:

Ran from what, 3 votes???

a fake address ?

you are too intellectually limited to even have it dawn on you that rather than drive 700 or 800 miles I would do a the google maps thingy.

it took 24 seconds to discover no such address exists.

this why even your family didn’t vote for you. They probably thunk you would get 40 or 50 votes and could pretend they voted for you.

but 3 votes made it impossible to hide the fact that those who know you best didn’t vote for you.

thanksgiving must be awkward😀

 

You wanna PROVE you are a COWARD AGAIN, haityGOATBALLboi???

 

No really.


DO YOU???

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