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1 hour ago, Golfboy said:

I haven't seen any costs go up.  What costs have increased because of Trump's tariffs?

 

I was at an RV show last week and all the vendors told me prices are going up this summer because of the tariffs.

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1 hour ago, fourputt said:

I was at an RV show last week and all the vendors told me prices are going up this summer because of the tariffs.

lol.   Prices go up every summer, because it's summer and that's when people WANT their product. 

It's called Supply & Demand. 

You should buy an economics book. 

 

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3 hours ago, Golfboy said:

lol.   Prices go up every summer, because it's summer and that's when people WANT their product. 

It's called Supply & Demand. 

You should buy an economics book. 

 

No your not getting away with saying it's simple inflation, people who are in this industry I spoke with know the difference, the tariffs are hurting the economy, not everyone with exception of this place are not going to let political beliefs cloud their minds.

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1 minute ago, fourputt said:

No your not getting away with saying it's simple inflation, people who are in this industry I spoke with know the difference, the tariffs are hurting the economy, not everyone with exception of this place are not going to let political beliefs cloud their minds.

Yes tariffs increase the cost of business, no doubt. Most conservatives I know do not favor this policy (increasing tariffs) except for dealing with China which is a much more nuanced situation.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but don't (didn't) many on the left, including the Bernie Sanders crowd, support tariffs for many years?

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15 hours ago, fourputt said:

At least bring it to the same level as 1968, the article said $11.79 an hour so just go to $12.00 an hour and increase it per inflation.

 

you know that the dollar back then was on Gold standard  vs Fiat over the 1970's, 

 

tell me you knew that? 

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55 minutes ago, chairmanOFTB said:

 

you know that the dollar back then was on Gold standard  vs Fiat over the 1970's, 

 

tell me you knew that? 

Okay so what do you suggest? I would guess my hourly wage was somewhere around $5.00 back then so should we just roll wages back? That would be fun.

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9 minutes ago, fourputt said:

Okay so what do you suggest? I would guess my hourly wage was somewhere around $5.00 back then so should we just roll wages back? That would be fun.

who said anything about rolling wages back ? 

 

The reality is the left should stop quoting wages in the 60's and with inflation the wage should higher , the reason why is monetary policies are different  Nixon took us off the gold standard, today the dollar is financed by debt, that is what fiat money created and of course it affects PPP .

 

Today our PPP isnt as great as it was in the 1950's ad 1960's, that is life, but if we want more money today in this society we have to upgrade our skills to command the increase.

 

Socialism is not the answer nor is increasing the minimum wage 

 

why? 

 

Minimum wage eliminates job, cuts existing low wage workers hours, reduces benefits for some and it keeps the lower and under skilled workers from getting their first job.

 

What politicians failed to grasp is in a market based economy, demand is always a function of price, and the higher the price the lower demand and that rule also applies to labour, yes that supply and demand thing again.

 

When an employer evaluates their labour and capital needs, cost is a primary factor, when the cost of labour goes up artificially, jobs are lost and certain business makes adjustments to pay for the added costs and who do you think absorbs those costs?

 

I’m at a loss to understand why politicians interfering with labor costs believes that it is an act of benevolence?

 

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On 1/16/2019 at 9:55 PM, drvoke said:

This is the kind of common sense social justice legislation that makes me proud to be a Democrat. 

 

Why not just make it $20 or whatever...the cost is all going to be passed on to the consumer.

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4 hours ago, fourputt said:

Okay so what do you suggest?

People that actually have functioning brains would "suggest" that all moronic MW laws should be completely abolished, dunce.  Period.  Why the hell is this so difficult for you idiot libs to comprehend?

 

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I would guess my hourly wage was somewhere around $5.00 back then so should we just roll wages back? That would be fun.

Are you too damn stupid to understand that if you make someone unemployed completely with a moronic MW law, you have effectively "rolled their wages back" to ZERO, dumbfuck?  And worse than that, you have now made it so that they can't gain experience to improve their skills and climb the economic ladder.  Or are you just too damn evil and heartless to give a flying shit how badly you hurt these people or how much they suffer?  As long as you foolishly think you may be sticking it to some evil rich employer, you are just fine with it, huh?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Nighthawk said:

People that actually have functioning brains would "suggest" that all moronic MW laws should be completely abolished, dunce.  Period.  Why the hell is this so difficult for you idiot libs to comprehend?

 

Are you too damn stupid to understand that if you make someone unemployed completely with a moronic MW law, you have effectively "rolled their wages back" to ZERO, dumbfuck?  And worse than that, you have now made it so that they can't gain experience to improve their skills and climb the economic ladder.  Or are you just too damn evil and heartless to give a flying shit how badly you hurt these people or how much they suffer?  As long as you foolishly think you may be sticking it to some evil rich employer, you are just fine with it, huh?

 

 

 

It's for the employee's own good that companies pay them less. LOL. That's a new one. I wonder how many people could say that in public with a straight face. (excluding in front of the Republican constituency who are complete and utter morons).

 

If a company does not pay an employee what they are worth, that employee is going to make that company pay one way or another. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

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1 hour ago, drvoke said:

 

It's for the employee's own good that companies pay them less. LOL. That's a new one. I wonder how many people could say that in public with a straight face. (excluding in front of the Republican constituency who are complete and utter morons).

 

If a company does not pay an employee what they are worth, that employee is going to make that company pay one way or another. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

That's exactly the bs these idiots believe, the minimum wage just says that if an employer could pay less then they would exploit his employees even further unfortunately. These morons especially that one think an employee in every instance could somehow bargain for a fair wage. . . If this was as true as they say then why do the best people in their respective fields join trade unions? The fact is the vast majority would only be able to negotiate a wage and benefit package far less than a cbo agreement would produce. I don't care if they come back at me with more juvenile insults it just further proves the ineptness of some of these characters.

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1 hour ago, drvoke said:

 

It's for the employee's own good that companies pay them less. LOL. That's a new one. I wonder how many people could say that in public with a straight face. (excluding in front of the Republican constituency who are complete and utter morons).

 

If a company does not pay an employee what they are worth, that employee is going to make that company pay one way or another. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

It’s for EVERYONE’S best interest business pays fair market value for labor.... Artificial minimum wage increases have overwhelmingly been proven to end up harming those they’re supposed to help.

 

But its not about minimum wage as virutually no one actually makes minimum wage. It’s about union wages tied to minimum wage. 🤣

 

I thought you morons were against special interests? 

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And really drvoke .... Nighthawk will filet your dumbass with facts, logic and reasoning. 

 

You’re literally nothing but a worthless, uneducated entitlement monkey. 

 

Quit embarrassing yourself by posting. 

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On 1/25/2019 at 3:51 AM, drvoke said:

 

There you are drvoke!  I thought you cowardly ran away like the sniveling little pansy that you are, considering you still haven't responded to my earlier posts, despite numerous thread bumps?

 

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It's for the employee's own good that companies pay them less. LOL. That's a new one. I wonder how many people could say that in public with a straight face. (excluding in front of the Republican constituency who are complete and utter morons).

You need to learn how to read, dumbass.  If someone can actually get a job instead of being unemployed entirely due to some moronic MW law, they are not being paid LESS, moron, they are being paid MORE!  Even if they were only being paid 1 penny/hr, that is still more than ZERO, dolt!  And they are also getting to gain experience and skills from actually learning on the job as well.  Are you really too damn retarded to comprehend this???

 

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If a company does not pay an employee what they are worth,

And how, exactly, do you think employers in general can successfully avoid paying their workers what their labor is worth, other than by using force, fraud, or breach-of-contract (which are and should be illegal), dimwit?  Do you think employers have some magical powers that allow them to successfully pay their workers whatever the fuck they feel like paying them, and thus we need your precious government or beloved unions to put a stop to their dastardly deeds?

 

If this is what you believe, then why do these evil employers pay ANY non-union workers more than the MW?  If you think employers really have this magical power, then why the hell do they pay any non-union accountants, engineers, computer programmers, managers, etc.. one single penny more than they are required to pay them by law?

 

This is yet another example of a simple question I have asked you idiot libs over and over and over and over and over with no rational response.  I wonder why that is?

 

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that employee is going to make that company pay one way or another. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

If this is really true, then why the hell do you think we need moronic MW laws, numbskull?  It sounds like you have "first-hand knowledge" that these supposedly underpaid workers are already getting fair value for their labor in other ways.  Lol...

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On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 8:28 PM, chairmanOFTB said:

 

Minimum wage is  a well-intended attempt by politicians to help the working poor, the problem is the unintended consequences that follows and they don’t see the negative effects of their policies.

 

Minimum wage eliminates job, cuts existing low wage workers hours, reduces benefits for some and it keeps the lower and under skilled workers from getting their first job.

 

What politicians failed to grasp is in a market based economy, demand is always a function of price, and the higher the price the lower demand and that rule also applies to labor, yes that supply and demand thing again.

 

When an employer evaluates their labor and capital needs, cost is a primary factor, when the cost of labour goes up artificially, jobs are lost and certain business makes adjustments to pay for the added costs and who do you think absorbs those costs?

 

I’m at a loss to understand why politicians interfering with labour costs believes that it is an act of benevolence?

 

BS

All BS

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5 minutes ago, Hex2 said:

BS

All BS

 

Dont just post is Bull sh!t, you should post why my post is B.S.

 

 

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On 1/25/2019 at 5:23 AM, fourputt said:

That's exactly the bs these idiots believe, the minimum wage just says that if an employer could pay less then they would exploit his employees even further unfortunately. These morons especially that one

If people like me are really "idiots" and "morons", then it should be extremely easy for one of you idiot libs to finally prove me wrong for change, instead of always cowardly running away while I continually bump the threads in which I participate to deafening silence.  So what the fuck are you waiting for, shithead?

 

Good luck.

 

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think an employee in every instance could somehow bargain for a fair wage. . .

I never said a damn thing about "every instance", you illiterate cretin.  I have always framed my arguments in terms of workers IN GENERAL, dumbass.  Of course, there will always be occasional workers here and there that are underpaid, as well as ones that are overpaid, as no one claims that the market is 100% efficient at all times, dullard.

 

And IN GENERAL, employers will always have to pay their workers fairly as long as it is at least a relatively free market with no use of force, fraud, or breach-of-contract.  Period.  If you think otherwise, then perhaps you can try your hand at the simple question I asked above-

 

Why do these evil employers pay ANY non-union workers more than the MW?  If you think employers really have this magical power to pay whatever the fuck they feel like, then why the hell do they pay any non-union accountants, engineers, computer programmers, managers, etc.. one single penny more than they are required to pay them by law?

 

Good luck.

 

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If this was as true as they say then why do the best people in their respective fields join trade unions? The fact is the vast majority would only be able to negotiate a wage and benefit package far less than a cbo agreement would produce.

 

Did you really just ask why people join unions?  Are you really that fucking ignorant???  It is the same reason any other group forms a cartel- because they are GREEDY pieces of shit that want to benefit from the use of force to pad their own pockets.   If all they wanted was to be paid "fairly", then all they would need would be a free market.  No, dunce, they only form or join a cartel that is benefiting from the use of force because they want to be OVERPAID.

 

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I don't care if they come back at me with more juvenile insults it just further proves the ineptness of some of these characters.

Do you not realize that you just complained about OTHER PEOPLE making "juvenile insults" in the SAME FUCKING POST that you called people "idiots" and "morons"?!?!?  Lol...

 

Here is a little free tip for you, twit- don't call OTHER PEOPLE "idiots" and "morons" in the same post that you show everyone how unbelievably fucking stupid you are yourself.  You know, like by asking why people join unions, like some kind of a damn retard.  What's next, are you going to ask why people rob banks? 

 

Hope this helps...

 

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11 hours ago, Nighthawk said:

Let the bumping continue...

 

Bump.

You really are a waste of skin you pathetic little loser, call me whatever you like from the safety of anonymity all your proving is your cowardice.

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6 minutes ago, fourputt said:

You really are a waste of skin you pathetic little loser,

Well, this "loser" just handed you your ass, dunce.  So what does that make you?

 

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call me whatever you like from the safety of anonymity

Yeah right.  Like I am going to give out my personal information on the internet so some nutjob like yourself can come burn down my house or something.  Doing that would not be bravery, it would be idiocy. 
 

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all your proving is your cowardice.

 

And yet YOU are the one that is too scared to respond to any of my arguments.  That makes YOU the coward, chickenshit.  If you were truly a man, you would admit you were wrong, apologize for all the harm you have caused by supporting these moronic policies & voting for politicians that support them, and thank me for educating you.  But no, you are just a sniveling little pansy.

 

Don't feel too bad, as you are not the first idiot lib I have easily destroyed and made run away in terror, and you surely won't be the last...

 

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1 minute ago, Nighthawk said:

Well, this "loser" just handed you your ass, dunce.  So what does that make you?

 

Yeah right.  Like I am going to give out my personal information on the internet so some nutjob like yourself can come burn down my house or something.  Doing that would not be bravery, it would be idiocy. 
 

And yet YOU are the one that is too scared to respond to any of my arguments.  That makes YOU the coward, chickenshit.  If you were truly a man, you would admit you were wrong, apologize for all the harm you have caused by supporting these moronic policies & voting for politicians that support them, and thank me for educating you.  But no, you are just a sniveling little pansy.

 

Don't feel too bad, as you are not the first idiot lib I have easily destroyed and made run away in terror, and you surely won't be the last...

 

Run away? Serious? I unlike you work for a living you government sucking leech and dont have the time to waste that your pathetic Bad word stained ass has to waste, How stupid it is to trash on the very social safety nets that provide your very existence little man, I would really love to see your feeble self try on my boots for a day the total humor of it would be worth a couple hours of wages lol.

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4 minutes ago, fourputt said:

Run away? Serious?

Yes, very serious, dunce.  When someone makes an argument against someone else's position in a debate and that person does not respond, or just makes lame excuses, then that means this person is cowardly running away.

 

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I unlike you work for a living you government sucking leech

You really think someone with my superior intellect would be a "government sucking leech"?  Lol... No, chump, I am a professional with very good job, not to mention my own personal side business.

 

And again, even if you were correct- what the hell would it say about you if you let a "government sucking leech" hand you your ass in a debate???

 

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and dont have the time to waste

You idiot libs really need to work on your lame excuses.  If you could truly be the first idiot lib on this forum to ever prove me wrong, you and I both know you would find the time.  And it isn't like you can't simply post that you will respond later if you are too busy at the present time.  It took you longer to make the posts you just made than it would to do that, dumbass. 

 

Next time, why don't you try claiming that you had a rebuttal that would prove me wrong, but your dog ate it?  Lol...

 

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that your pathetic Bad word stained ass has to waste,

Let's see here- I have been on this forum for nearly a decade with a little over 3000 posts, with probably at least a third of them being quick posts that just consist of the single word "bump."  Your profile says you have been on the forum for about 1 year and you have nearly 1000 posts, which means you have made over 3 times as many posts/year as me.  So who the hell apparently has more "time to waste" on this forum, dimwit?

 

What, do you just like showing everyone how unbelievably stupid you are?

 

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How stupid it is to trash on the very social safety nets that provide your very existence little man, I would really love to see your feeble self try on my boots for a day the total humor of it would be worth a couple hours of wages lol.

First of all, see above about my not needing any of your precious social safety nets.  Secondly, just because I am against the current form of safety nets from the government does not mean I don't want poor & needy people to get help in the right way, moron.  Finally, the topic of this thread is moronic MW laws, not social safety nets, dullard.  So quit trying to change the subject to deflect from your getting demolished.

 

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45 minutes ago, Nighthawk said:

Well, this "loser" just handed you your ass, dunce.  So what does that make you?

 

Yeah right.  Like I am going to give out my personal information on the internet so some nutjob like yourself can come burn down my house or something.  Doing that would not be bravery, it would be idiocy. 
 

And yet YOU are the one that is too scared to respond to any of my arguments.  That makes YOU the coward, chickenshit.  If you were truly a man, you would admit you were wrong, apologize for all the harm you have caused by supporting these moronic policies & voting for politicians that support them, and thank me for educating you.  But no, you are just a sniveling little pansy.

 

Don't feel too bad, as you are not the first idiot lib I have easily destroyed and made run away in terror, and you surely won't be the last...

 

So explain how you have dominated in this debate all I have read is just Trump style self declarations of victory you have not won or proven anything,your claims are empty like your skull, the minimum wage is what it is a minimum that an employer can employ someone at an hourly rate. If there was not a minimum wage there would be vast exploitation with employers needing low skilled workers. Illegal immigrants would obviously set a very low wage that Americans would not accept so why is a minimum wage bad? What would companies like Walmart or Amazon pay their employees? They are not represented by any cba therefore minimum wage is the only thing protecting them from $2.00 an hour.

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7 hours ago, fourputt said:

So explain how you have dominated in this debate all I have read is just Trump style self declarations of victory you have not won or proven anything,your claims are empty like your skull,

The fact that I utterly obliterated your moronic arguments, coupled with the fact that you have been completely unable to refute any of my arguments or answer any of my questions.  All you have been able to do is make lame excuses for why you supposedly don't want to do these things, dolt.
 

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the minimum wage is what it is a minimum that an employer can employ someone at an hourly rate.

 

No fucking duh.

 

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If there was not a minimum wage there would be vast exploitation with employers needing low skilled workers.

 

I already addressed this insanely idiotic claim in my posts above.

 

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Illegal immigrants would obviously set a very low wage that Americans would not accept

They would not "set" a damn thing, twit.  Wages in a free market will always gravitate towards the productivity of the work being performed in the long term.  Period.

 

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so why is a minimum wage bad?

For starters, it causes very high unemployment among the lowest-skilled workers, especially the black ones, moron.  In fact, the liberal politicians that pushed the first federal MW laws in the 30's openly admitted they were doing it with the express intent of hurting black workers.  Of course, your liberal masters won't openly admit this today, as racism is not as acceptable as it was back then.

 

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What would companies like Walmart or Amazon pay their employees?   They are not represented by any cba therefore minimum wage is the only thing protecting them from $2.00 an hour.

They would have to pay at least what the market forces them to pay, dullard.  If you think otherwise, then let's see you answer the simple question I asked above, which you have cowardly dodged so far-

 

Do you think employers have some magical powers that allow them to successfully pay their workers whatever the fuck they feel like paying them, and thus we need your precious government or beloved unions to put a stop to their dastardly deeds?

 

If this is what you believe, then why do these evil employers pay ANY non-union workers more than the MW?  If you think employers really have this magical power, then why the hell do they pay any non-union accountants, engineers, computer programmers, managers, etc.. one single penny more than they are required to pay them by law?

 

This is yet another example of a simple question I have asked you idiot libs over and over and over and over and over with no rational response.  I wonder why that is?

 

You should really stop listening to the brainwashing you are getting from your liberal masters and open a book on basic economics sometime.  You might find that wallowing in gross ignorance and abject stupidity is not nearly as much fun as you currently think it is.

 

Good luck.

 

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