Craig234 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, ConservativeBob said: Thanks Craig. I should've read your post first. A voice of reason is a light in the darkness. And thanks for your nice comment. Any question you want to ask to kick off a discussion? You mentioned coming here for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rippy38 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, ConservativeBob said: Actually I don't think any of us "has anything" just yet... other than (mostly) pleasant greetings and salutations. 👍 Don't sweat leftwinger... he gets a lil' paranoid sometimes. Everybody here is a Russian bot/troll kinda thing. Just play along with him, that's what everyone else does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 39 minutes ago, harryramar said: Hello Bob, and welcome aboard. Real conservatives are wonderful people who we should all honor and respect. Thanks for the welcome. Honestly though, we are all flawed in some way or the other. Me as much (or more) than most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig234 Posted January 9 Alternatively, you might want to go read some of the liberals only room to get some of the info you said you wanted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 1 minute ago, rippy38 said: Don't sweat leftwinger... he gets a lil' paranoid sometimes. Everybody here is a Russian bot/troll kinda thing. Just play along with him, that's what everyone else does. LOL thanks, I will do that. It actually sounds fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rippy38 Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, ConservativeBob said: LOL thanks, I will do that. It actually sounds fun. There are some decent folks here, on both sides of the ball... and some nuts too, on both sides as well. It only takes a couple of days to figure out who's who. It's a pretty small group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Craig234 said: And thanks for your nice comment. Any question you want to ask to kick off a discussion? You mentioned coming here for that. Yes, thanks for asking. About the concept of a border wall. I've heard people articulate that they think it's a BAD idea. I'm trying to figure out why they think this. It's one thing to say it will be ineffective. I'm not asking why people think it won't work. I'm asking why it would be a bad idea. (And BTW, I happen to hold my own viewpoint in this regard, which I may divulge later...) Note: I'm not asking about Trump and how people feel about him good or bad. I'm trying to detach Trump from the discussion. Why would a wall, in and of itself, be a BAD idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, ConservativeBob said: LOL thanks, I will do that. It actually sounds fun. Welcome ... You won't believe some of the things you're about to hear... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig234 Posted January 9 "Why would a wall, in and of itself, be a BAD idea? " https://www.vox.com/2018/12/28/18158873/wall-shutdown-trump-dreamers-deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EltonJohnson Posted January 9 1 hour ago, ConservativeBob said: I do not wish to try to prove anyone wrong about anything... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, ConservativeBob said: Yes, thanks for asking. About the concept of a border wall. I've heard people articulate that they think it's a BAD idea. I'm trying to figure out why they think this. It's one thing to say it will be ineffective. I'm not asking why people think it won't work. I'm asking why it would be a bad idea. (And BTW, I happen to hold my own viewpoint in this regard, which I may divulge later...) Note: I'm not asking about Trump and how people feel about him good or bad. I'm trying to detach Trump from the discussion. Why would a wall, in and of itself, be a BAD idea? It's not a bad idea at all.. And at one time or another numerous Democratic leaders have talked about a wall, fence, barrier or something to stop the hundreds of thousands of illegals flooding our country... The $ 5 billion isn't a big deal if you compare it with the foreign aid we give these same countries... It's about Trump And the Democrats have never gotten over 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slideman Posted January 9 A physical barrier may make sense at some places on the border. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Craig234 said: "Why would a wall, in and of itself, be a BAD idea? " https://www.vox.com/2018/12/28/18158873/wall-shutdown-trump-dreamers-deal Thanks. This is what I'm looking for - information that articulates a viewpoint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryramar Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, ConservativeBob said: Yes, thanks for asking. About the concept of a border wall. I've heard people articulate that they think it's a BAD idea. I'm trying to figure out why they think this. It's one thing to say it will be ineffective. I'm not asking why people think it won't work. I'm asking why it would be a bad idea. (And BTW, I happen to hold my own viewpoint in this regard, which I may divulge later...) Note: I'm not asking about Trump and how people feel about him good or bad. I'm trying to detach Trump from the discussion. Why would a wall, in and of itself, be a BAD idea? The wall would take many many years to build, hardly a sound solution for a crisis. its like getting cancer in your big toe and having the doctor tell you he will have to amputate in 2029 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 Just now, harryramar said: The wall would take many many years to build, hardly a sound solution for a crisis. its like getting cancer in your big toe and the doctor tells you he will have to amputate in 2029 So is that the problem... It would take too long to build... But Democrats have proposed the same ideas before Trump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slideman Posted January 9 Just now, Z09 said: So is that the problem... It would take too long to build... But Democrats have proposed the same ideas before Trump Democrats did not promise Mexico would pay to wall off the entire border. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryramar Posted January 9 Just now, Z09 said: So is that the problem... It would take too long to build... But Democrats have proposed the same ideas before Trump That’s just one of many problems. trump had two years with a gop Congress and it was so ho-hum he only asked Mexico to pay for it once. now there is an urgency? not bloody likely, mate😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rippy38 Posted January 9 Just now, Z09 said: hardly a sound solution for a crisis So what is the solution? Drone strikes? Just open it up and come one come all? Build more detention/processing centers? If not a physical barrier, what then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, harryramar said: The wall would take many many years to build, hardly a sound solution for a crisis. its like getting cancer in your big toe and having the doctor tell you he will have to amputate in 2029 If we are truly in an immediate and urgent crisis (as has been suggested by the President), then this argument holds merit. But if the problem could possibly be ongoing for years in the future... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 Just now, harryramar said: That’s just one of many problems. trump had two years with a gop Congress and it was so ho-hum he only asked Mexico to pay for it once. now there is an urgency? not bloody likely, mate😀 It seems as though your against Trump and just about anything there's a reason... It would take too long... Where was the GOP... I thought Mexico was paying for it... Why is it urgent... All this is just anti-Trump talk and has nothing to do with the actual problem... We have hundreds of thousands of illegals crossing... We have drugs, guns and human trafficking... We have unaccompanied children and gang members.. And those are facts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, slideman said: Democrats did not promise Mexico would pay to wall off the entire border. Is that the problem? That Trump had an idea that Mexico would pay for it with maybe reduced foreign aid .. Or maybe with their cooperation.. We both know it's against Trump... It's not the $$$$$$$$$$ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConservativeBob Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, harryramar said: That’s just one of many problems. trump had two years with a gop Congress and it was so ho-hum he only asked Mexico to pay for it once. now there is an urgency? not bloody likely, mate😀 So correct me if I'm wrong here, but it sounds like you're basically saying that "The Wall" is the red meat that Trump throws to his base at the moment he needs their support... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Mack Posted January 9 1 hour ago, harryramar said: Hello Bob, and welcome aboard. Real conservatives are wonderful people who we should all honor and respect. STU...nobody asked you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z09 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, rippy38 said: So what is the solution? Drone strikes? Just open it up and come one come all? Build more detention/processing centers? If not a physical barrier, what then? Those are Harry's words... Not mine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benson13 Posted January 9 Trump accidentally admits there’s no actual emergency at the border https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
