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Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering have become the status quo, and an ongoing national disgrace. 

 

The Democrats recent gains in the house would have been significantly larger without gerrymandering.  And as both parties know, the more of the electorate that turns out to vote, the better the chances for Democrats to win.  That's why voter suppression is a key component in the Republican's war on democracy.

 

It is of the utmost importance that we combat voter suppression and gerrymandering.  And as we gain more political power, we will be in an increasingly better position to do it.   The only question is, how to proceed.

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1 minute ago, bludog said:

It is of the utmost importance that we combat voter suppression and gerrymandering.

agreed.. representation must be equal.. or will have a tea party

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1 hour ago, Five By Five said:

agreed.. representation must be equal

 

In addition to voter suppression and gerrymandering, Republicans have the advantage of the Electoral College, in presidential elections.  And, almost exclusively, they have been known to flip results on electronic voting machines plus a plethora of dirty tricks, like uncounted votes in Democratic districts, mailings misleading people about voting places and times, and many more.

 

Representation for Federal government positions is unequally in Republican favor.

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34 minutes ago, bludog said:

Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering have become the status quo, and an ongoing national disgrace. 

 

The Democrats recent gains in the house would have been significantly larger without gerrymandering.  And as both parties know, the more of the electorate that turns out to vote, the better the chances for Democrats to win.  That's why voter suppression is a key component in the Republican's war on democracy.

 

It is of the utmost importance that we combat voter suppression and gerrymandering.  And as we gain more political power, we will be in an increasingly better position to do it.   The only question is, how to proceed.

 

Prior to midterms, 7 States (CA, AZ, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, NJ, & Washington) had some form of non-partisan or bipartisan redistricting commission An 8th state, Iowa, uses a special redistricting process that uses neither the state legislature nor an independent redistricting commission to draw electoral district boundaries.

 

During midterms, voters in 4 more states (Colorado, Michigan, Missouri, and Utah) approved measures to have independent commissions — rather than politically charged state legislatures — draw the boundaries of districts where candidates will run for Congress and state legislatures.

 

Voters in Colorado passed two separate amendments  by  71 to 29 percent.

In Michigan, voters approved a redistricting commission, 61 to 39 percent.

Missouri, created a “state demographer” position to draw up plans for a commission, 62 to 38 percent. 

Utah’s prop 4 passed narrowly.

 

Ohio voters back in May approved a change requiring bipartisan votes in the legislature on any redistricting plan. If a bipartisan consensus can’t be reached, a commission would draw the lines.

 

There is substantial voter interest in not only who does redistricting, but how those lines are drawn.  There appears to be differences on what the standards might be, in terms of defining districts that are ‘contiguous and compact’.

 

So, about a dozen (mostly blue) states currently have commissions involved in redistricting. But their makeup varies widely.

 

Colorado’s ballot measure will create an independent commission to redraw congressional and state legislative district lines. Each commission will have 12 members, an equal number of Democrats and Republicans and some independents.

 

Under Michigan’s new constitutional amendment, both congressional and legislative districts will be created by a commission.

 

Utah’s Proposition 4 would create an independent, seven-member commission to draft election maps for both congressional and state legislative districts. 

 

In Missouri, the approved ballot initiative will have a nonpartisan state demographer file proposed maps with the existing election commissions. The maps would need support from 70 percent of commissioners. The demographer is tasked with considering “partisan fairness and competitiveness,” contiguousness, compactness and the boundaries of existing political subdivisions in drawing up the plan.

 

There should be some type of standard developed at the national level that would define more specifically what ‘contiguous and compact’ means.

To me, it should mean no more than 4 sides, with provisions for existing state boundaries (that may not be a straight line).

 

Getting anti gerrymandering measures on the ballot in the deeply red states in the deep south may be difficult (to say the least). On top of that, these states also have big voter suppression issues. Stacey Abrams has a good case in GA that may provide a legal opinion, and precedent to battle Republican suppression efforts in other states.

Throwing one or two corrupt election officials (like Kemp) in jail would help as well.

 

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Great info ExPDXer.  It shows that some progress is being made; and the nature of it.    Even possible in a deep red state like Utah.

 

8 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

There should be some type of standard developed at the national level that would define more specifically what ‘contiguous and compact’ means.

To me, it should mean no more than 4 sides, with provisions for existing state boundaries (that may not be a straight line).

 

Yes.  Districts must have no more than 4 sides ...  No extensions, elongations or outgrowths, in any direction.

 

12 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

Getting anti gerrymandering measures on the ballot in the deeply red states in the deep south may be difficult (to say the least). On top of that, these states also have big voter suppression issues. Stacey Abrams has a good case in GA that may provide a legal opinion, and precedent to battle Republican suppression efforts in other states.

Throwing one or two corrupt election officials (like Kemp) in jail would help as well.

 

It's going to take time but, if we are to be a real Democratic Republic, it needs to be done.

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I would add to this the problem of big money in politics. I think the Koch's do the most damage by picking and choosing congressional battles while at the same time understanding the inherent advantages of redistricting; they have made a congress that is ineffective at best regarding any progress - which is their sole intent, I can only suggest since I can't read their minds.

 

Peace!

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8 hours ago, bludog said:

Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering have become the status quo, and an ongoing national disgrace. 

 

The Democrats recent gains in the house would have been significantly larger without gerrymandering.  And as both parties know, the more of the electorate that turns out to vote, the better the chances for Democrats to win.  That's why voter suppression is a key component in the Republican's war on democracy.

 

It is of the utmost importance that we combat voter suppression and gerrymandering.  And as we gain more political power, we will be in an increasingly better position to do it.   The only question is, how to proceed.

 

In my state both parties got around 1,700,000 votes despite one Republican win being unopposed. However, the Republicans won 10 House seats and the Democrats only 3. That is bad gerrymandering.

 

But one race has been contested since it was discovered that the Republicans cheated. In NC 9 the Republicans gathered absentee ballots by going door to door and then discarded all of the Democratic ones.

 

And they cheated in other ways too.

 

So gerrymandering and voter suppression are real bad around here.

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There was a fund set up for Democrats to win state races to prevent Republican gerrymandering, but I can't quickly find info on it.

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So how do people vote, this is what the pundits ask. Really, this is what they ask. Statistical analysis. A lot of money goes into polling.

One day the polls will say this, and then the next they will say something else. It's almost like the irrationality of the stock market, it doesn't really portray any logic.

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On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 1:23 AM, TheOldBarn said:

So how do people vote, this is what the pundits ask. Really, this is what they ask. Statistical analysis. A lot of money goes into polling.

One day the polls will say this, and then the next they will say something else. It's almost like the irrationality of the stock market, it doesn't really portray any logic.

Like buying a lottery ticket.

"conservatism" offers a chance to win.

All the "conservatives" will get rich someday. At least that is what they believe.

They won't join a union, because that would be admitting that they aren't "special",

and that the lottery isn't just a billion to one odds against them.

 

People have believed in magic for thousands of years.

There will always be "conservatives" who will believe everything they see on Fox News.

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5 minutes ago, peter45 said:

Like buying a lottery ticket.

"conservatism" offers a chance to win.

All the "conservatives" will get rich someday. At least that is what they believe.

They won't join a union, because that would be admitting that they aren't "special",

and that the lottery isn't just a billion to one odds against them.

 

People have believed in magic for thousands of years.

There will always be "conservatives" who will believe everything they see on Fox News.

absolutely true, so much so, one cannot have an honest conversation about any facts. They'll say those aren't real facts. It's quite pitiful actually.

 

Peace!

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On 12/1/2018 at 7:57 PM, WillFranklin said:

 

In my state both parties got around 1,700,000 votes despite one Republican win being unopposed. However, the Republicans won 10 House seats and the Democrats only 3. That is bad gerrymandering.

 

But one race has been contested since it was discovered that the Republicans cheated. In NC 9 the Republicans gathered absentee ballots by going door to door and then discarded all of the Democratic ones.

 

And they cheated in other ways too.

 

So gerrymandering and voter suppression are real bad around here.

OMG Republican Harris hired a known fraud to steal absentee ballots, this will be the 41st seat won by democrats and strong evidence to have more initiatives in 2020.

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11 hours ago, fourputt said:

OMG Republican Harris hired a known fraud to steal absentee ballots, this will be the 41st seat won by democrats and strong evidence to have more initiatives in 2020.

 

YES!

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