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Let's hear it for redeemed, patriotic lawyers

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Criminals try not to get caught. For the mob, it's a bit easier, threats to kill anyone who 'rats'. For presidents, it's a little more difficult, hopefully, if they can't take up g. Gordon Liddy's offer to kill.

 

They learn lessons; the whole system, a lot of people with power, are all set up to protect them from accountability - with policies like 'plausible deniability' which is nothing but 'coverup of lies'. As they have those protections not protect them, they learn lessons like 'dont tape all your incriminating conversations' and 'don't confess your crimes in e-mail' and 'use burner phones'.

 

But one area they haven't seemed to solve has been their need for 'fixers' - lawyers who can carry out their wrongful actions, whose loyalty and silence they need.


In Watergate, John Dean went from pretty much a scumbag serving Nixon's corrupt agenda doing his dirty work, to someone who played a key role in exposing Nixon's crimes.

 

And now, we have scumbag Michael Cohen who was doing trump's dirty work, with blind loyalty to his criminal boss and none to his country or the law, becoming a patriotic person exposing trump's crimes.

 

These are stories of redemption. Dean has spoken out against corruption ever since. Cohen by all accounts is now motivated to 'do the right thing'.

Let's celebrate those few stories of redemption from the criminal circles and encourage these corrupt lawyers to continue to play a key role in preventing the coverups.

 

There seem so be limits on the corrupt figures' ability to prevent this threat. They don't have the ability to not use these lawyers, and they can only go so far to ensure their loyalty, if they aren't those mob bosses who can just kill them (which I would NOT put past trump). So much is set up to protect the criminals, it's good to have some things that might help them get caught.

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5 hours ago, Craig234 said:

Criminals try not to get caught. For the mob, it's a bit easier, threats to kill anyone who 'rats'. For presidents, it's a little more difficult, hopefully, if they can't take up g. Gordon Liddy's offer to kill.

 

They learn lessons; the whole system, a lot of people with power, are all set up to protect them from accountability - with policies like 'plausible deniability' which is nothing but 'coverup of lies'. As they have those protections not protect them, they learn lessons like 'dont tape all your incriminating conversations' and 'don't confess your crimes in e-mail' and 'use burner phones'.

 

But one area they haven't seemed to solve has been their need for 'fixers' - lawyers who can carry out their wrongful actions, whose loyalty and silence they need.


In Watergate, John Dean went from pretty much a scumbag serving Nixon's corrupt agenda doing his dirty work, to someone who played a key role in exposing Nixon's crimes.

 

And now, we have scumbag Michael Cohen who was doing trump's dirty work, with blind loyalty to his criminal boss and none to his country or the law, becoming a patriotic person exposing trump's crimes.

 

These are stories of redemption. Dean has spoken out against corruption ever since. Cohen by all accounts is now motivated to 'do the right thing'.

Let's celebrate those few stories of redemption from the criminal circles and encourage these corrupt lawyers to continue to play a key role in preventing the coverups.

 

There seem so be limits on the corrupt figures' ability to prevent this threat. They don't have the ability to not use these lawyers, and they can only go so far to ensure their loyalty, if they aren't those mob bosses who can just kill them (which I would NOT put past trump). So much is set up to protect the criminals, it's good to have some things that might help them get caught.

Trump's BFF Putin would gladly kill to keep his shill in power. All the things you said about hiding their crimes is true for normal politicians. Trump isn't normal in anyway He's already lashed out at Cohen. I just hope the NY state Attorney General can get tRump for money laundering then a Federal pardon won't work and NY has a Dem governor.DtR04iPV4AAAPvj.jpg

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7 hours ago, Gregory said:

These are stories of redemption. Dean has spoken out against corruption ever since. Cohen by all accounts is now motivated to 'do the right thing'.

 

Time will tell.   Cohen is no Howard Dean yet.  Singing like a caged canary, Cohen has eloquently shown that he is looking out for #1.  And not much more.    

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7 hours ago, bludog said:

 

Time will tell.   Cohen is no Howard Dean yet.  Singing like a caged canary, Cohen has eloquently shown that he is looking out for #1.  And not much more.    

 

Error in quote attribution - but my statements are based on personal friends of Cohen saying it's more than that, that he sees himself as a patriot now to tell the truth.

 

I'm not fast to expect people who show bad character to change - it's quite rare.

 

I don't know Cohen, and can't say for sure what the situation is.

 

But the statements of those who know him seem credible that he seems to be the rare case. There does seem to be an element in the self-serving in all these conversions, and I don't give them a lot of credit for some sort of great altruism totally.

 

Another example is David Brock. A vicious and dishonest right-wing propagandist, he admirably renounced the right and founded an organization that debunks right-wing lies.

 

But his change was triggered by his happening to be gay - and seeing the anti-gay hysteria on the right used for political gain. That's what opened his eyes. If he weren't gay, it seems unlikely. Cohen watched as his loyalty to trump led to the FBI raid, his being charged, with no return of loyalty or a pardon from trump. Nonetheless he seems to have changed a lot.

 

More than simply 'get even with trump', from the reports. More than 'save his own skin'. The reports suggest, and the little evidence I've seen, suggest he's changed more than that. His friends say he's decided to be a patriot. His pleading guilty to all charges without a deal suggests that above and beyond change.

 

When he spoke to the court, he asked to stand as he spoke - a symbolic  gesture that seemed to be his wanting to 'stand proud' about what he was doing. That's the sense I got listening to the brief statement. All the reporting suggests his going 'above and beyond' to cooperate.

 

But it's his friends' statements - and these aren't 'friends who just see the best in him' but people like an MSNBC contributor who happens to be good friends with him who commented.

 

So, let's give some benefit of the doubt, and appreciate the change, and encourage it. If we're wrong about that, we can retract it.

 

 

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