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Despite massive Republican gerrymandering, voter suppression, infusion of dark money and many other dirty tricks.

 

 

Only 23 seats were needed.  As of now, we are projected to win between 35 to 45 seats.   No longer will Der Trumpkopfk be able to push his agenda unopposed.

 

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Okay, so what's next? Can Trump be impeached or will we have to rely on a Republican controlled Senate for that? Can the Senate get in the House's way on that or any other issues or is the House now able to destroy Trump's presidency? What are the options ?

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Would have loved seeing Cruz go down but the House is an even bigger prize obviously, I suspect Mueller has a whole slew of indictments/ subpeonas to deliver now that the election is over. Democrats need to keep things low to the ground at the onset and once Mueller brings his case forward we will see if they have an impeachable offense if so then bring the charges.if the senate refuses to convict lets see if they can withstand another 2008, this will be the same seats up for reelection

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11 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

Okay, so what's next? Can Trump be impeached or will we have to rely on a Republican controlled Senate for that? Can the Senate get in the House's way on that or any other issues or is the House now able to destroy Trump's presidency? What are the options ?

 

Everyone is disappointed that Gillum, O'Rourke and Abrams lost.  And that we didn't take the  Senate.  But most of the contested Senate seats were in Trump country, this time around.  In 2020, geography will give us a much better chance of flipping  the Senate.

 

The House is what we needed, at a minimum, to allow the Democrats to foil much of the Trump agenda.  And we flipped it convincingly.  The Senate cannot pass legislation on to the president without the House, or vice-versa.  But, the House can play a spoiler role, foiling the Senate and President, in many areas.

 

The House also has unlimited subpoena power ....   For instance, to order Trump's tax returns be made available.  With a Democratic majority House, it will become much harder for Trump to fire Mueller.  And the House has the sole power to initiate revenue bills and can deny funding.  Also, much depends on the strength or weakness of Mueller's investigation results when they are finally released.

 

But the president cannot be removed by the House alone. 

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Thanks for the explanation. A few other questions:

 

Do we have more Ds or Rs in governorships now? It seemed like most of them were going red last night.

Why were D seats being lost in the Senate? If a district was D why would it turn R when Trump is worse than ever before?

How long are House seats for and how long are Senate seats for and is it random when each particular congressional seat is up?

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18 hours ago, bludog said:

The House is what we needed, at a minimum, to allow the Democrats to foil much of the Trump agenda.  And we flipped it convincingly.  The Senate cannot pass legislation on to the president without the House, or vice-versa.  But, the House can play a spoiler role, foiling the Senate and President, in many areas.

 

The House also has unlimited subpoena power ....   For instance, to order Trump's tax returns be made available.  With a Democratic majority House, it will become much harder for Trump to fire Mueller.  And the House has the sole power to initiate revenue bills and can deny funding.  Also, much depends on the strength or weakness of Mueller's investigation results when they are finally released.

 

But the president cannot be removed by the House alone. 

 

And the Senate is all he needs to confirm sympathetic judges.

 

The conclusion for Republicans: Anyone who was a principled conservative is gone. What are left are people who will say anything that benefits them politically, and who will support Trump as long as it's good for them. The corollary is that once it looks like he will fall, they will desert him. First among these: Lindsay Graham.

 

Everything hinges on Mueller's investigation. If information comes out that makes an iron-clad showing corruption public and puts Trump family members in jail (esp. Kushner & Don jr) then it will be harder for people to ignore it. The calculation among Republicans must be: Pence is better for me than this corrupt pus-puddle.

 

The problem may be that Trump will retain that support even if (as he said) he shoots someone. How low can he go and still keep support? What if the Russian sex video exists and becomes public?

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We need to raise the number of senate seats according to population. That's how we can stop the punk states like ND to have the same voting power as a CA senator.

 

I propose a constitutional amendment to that effect.

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10 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

Thanks for the explanation. A few other questions:

 

Do we have more Ds or Rs in governorships now? It seemed like most of them were going red last night.

Why were D seats being lost in the Senate? If a district was D why would it turn R when Trump is worse than ever before?

How long are House seats for and how long are Senate seats for and is it random when each particular congressional seat is up?

 

 

States where Democrats control all the branches went from 8 to 14. D seats were being lost in the Senate because the seats up this year were ten Democrats from trump states and only one Republican from a Hillary state. A lot more turned blue than turned red. House seats are all re-elected ever two years, Senate seats are 6 years, 1/3 of seats every 2 years.

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1 hour ago, Craig234 said:

House seats are all re-elected ever two years, Senate seats are 6 years, 1/3 of seats every 2 years.

This would be the case if no one died in office, resigned or otherwise is removed from office. 

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4 hours ago, XavierOnassis said:

This would be the case if no one died in office, resigned or otherwise is removed from office. 


That's a silly statement. He asked how long the terms are, not for some statement about things like that.

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10 hours ago, laripu said:

And the Senate is all he needs to confirm sympathetic judges.

 

This will hurt us badly in the future.   It was almost impossible for Democrats to take the Senate this time around because most of the contested Senate seats were in Trump country, this time around.  In 2020, geography will give us a much better chance of flipping  the Senate.

 

10 hours ago, laripu said:

Everything hinges on Mueller's investigation. If information comes out that makes an iron-clad showing corruption public and puts Trump family members in jail (esp. Kushner & Don jr) then it will be harder for people to ignore it. The calculation among Republicans must be: Pence is better for me than this corrupt pus-puddle.

 

A scathing indictment is needed.  If not, there will probably be no impeachment.

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10 hours ago, Craig234 said:

 

States where Democrats control all the branches went from 8 to 14. D seats were being lost in the Senate because the seats up this year were ten Democrats from trump states and only one Republican from a Hillary state. A lot more turned blue than turned red. House seats are all re-elected ever two years, Senate seats are 6 years, 1/3 of seats every 2 years.

But why were Senate seats in Trump country (ignorant rednecks) held by Ds in the first place? And what about governorships? Why was I seeing so many of them pissed away (going to Rs)?

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3 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

But why were Senate seats in Trump country (ignorant rednecks) held by Ds in the first place? And what about governorships? Why was I seeing so many of them pissed away (going to Rs)?

 

Because they were elected before trump, and ran as more conservative Democrats. Some of them won this week, including in West Virginia and Montana. When are you talking about governors? Democrats took seven states from Republicans, Republicans took none from Democrats.

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16 hours ago, Craig234 said:

 

Because they were elected before trump, and ran as more conservative Democrats. Some of them won this week, including in West Virginia and Montana. When are you talking about governors? Democrats took seven states from Republicans, Republicans took none from Democrats.

Thanks for the explanation. I don't know regarding the governors. I just kept seeing all this Republican red crap coming in over and over for that office.

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3 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

Thanks for the explanation. I don't know regarding the governors. I just kept seeing all this Republican red crap coming in over and over for that office.

 

For 2010, some Republican donors/operatives recognized that controlling state governments that determine the Congressional districts was a way for them to get a lot of Gerrymandering and power, so they spent a lot on the normally low-budget state elections and won a lot and it gave them that unfair advantage.


In 2012, Democrats had millions more votes for the House, but Republicans had a lot more seats. That districting normally lasts a decade.

So Democrats getting a lot of states this year is an important help for limiting Republican Gerrymandering for 2020.

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41 minutes ago, Craig234 said:

 

For 2010, some Republican donors/operatives recognized that controlling state governments that determine the Congressional districts was a way for them to get a lot of Gerrymandering and power, so they spent a lot on the normally low-budget state elections and won a lot and it gave them that unfair advantage.


In 2012, Democrats had millions more votes for the House, but Republicans had a lot more seats. That districting normally lasts a decade.

So Democrats getting a lot of states this year is an important help for limiting Republican Gerrymandering for 2020.

the governor pickups are big for the Democrats! Wish we could have gotten Florida - now there is a divided state. We really need to improve our election system!

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It was really great to see Tom Ever's win over Scott Walker! To me that was a really big win for the Democrats!

 

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1 hour ago, TheOldBarn said:

the governor pickups are big for the Democrats! Wish we could have gotten Florida - now there is a divided state. We really need to improve our election system!

Peace!

 

Florida is not yet out of the question with a recount now in progress.

 

1 hour ago, TheOldBarn said:

It was really great to see Tom Ever's win over Scott Walker! To me that was a really big win for the Democrats!

Peace!

 

Absolutely. 

 

Scott Walker was the enemy of the common person;  He was the bottom of the barrel.  What was Wisconsin thinking for eight years?  At least now Evers will start repairing the damage.  To say nothing of redistricting to reverse the gerrymandering of the Walker years.  That's one of the biggest reasons governors are so important on the national stage.

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17 minutes ago, bludog said:

To say nothing of redistricting to reverse the gerrymandering of the Walker years.

 

I don't think that will have a payoff until after the 2020 census, for the 2022 elections.

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9 minutes ago, Craig234 said:

I don't think that will have a payoff until after the 2020 census, for the 2022 elections.

 

That is correct.  But better late than never.  And 2022 is not that far off.

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1 hour ago, Craig234 said:

 

I don't think that will have a payoff until after the 2020 census, for the 2022 elections.

yes, that's right. 2020 will be when they do conduct the 2020 census. I hope they do a good job - hope folks like Explorer are involved. That's another interesting question however...

 

the questions that will be asked, and the participation that is required, and totally necessary. Indeed!

 

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