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WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

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Jesus.....save money when its projected to cost an additional 31 trillion plus dollars over 10 years. To put that in perspective, the federal government spends a little over 4 trillion a year now. That's almost doubling the size of federal government spending but the retard in the OP is claiming it'll save money lol...

 

It'll save money for entitlement monkeys like the OP that contribute nothing to this country. In other words, the freeloaders. 

 

Quit being a mooch and pay for your healthcare like everyone else. 

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On 10/26/2018 at 3:49 AM, merrill said:

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

As I keep reiterating .....

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On 10/26/2018 at 3:49 AM, merrill said:

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

 

Why support price gouging and "under insurance policies" from the white collars?

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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/medicare-made

 

Good article.  Kennedy, as President a long time ago, noted that even back then, the United States was 30 years behind our fellow developed Liberal democracies, who had long since nationalized healthcare.  Doctors who have opposed it forever, for fear of having it cut into their profits, are now finding themselves increasingly in the cross hairs.  It is more and more difficult for them to maintain a private practice as the machine that pays the bills in Washington lobbies and schemes relentlessly to drive up costs and, most importantly, to increase the bureaucratic load on medical facilities.  Doctors are being driven out of private practice and into the welcoming arms of corporate hospital groups, insurance companies, and drug companies, where the racket really focuses profits and the hyper-profitability of the whole corrupt scheme enables them-- and only them --to bear the burden of the bureaucracy, the insurance costs.  

 

In the end American will trade their "private" healthcare for a nationalized system, because there will be no choices.  There will be only the major players, who are legally allowed to collude thanks to anti-trust exemptions that the Senate will not vote on even though the House last voted to end the exemption (in 2010) by a 406-19 vote!!!

 

When in the history of ever has the House been so nearly unanimous on anything?  Our Senators ignored the vote and let the issue die. When asked why, they told us that ending that exemption would not have any effect, since nobody was colluding anyway, so why end the exemption?

 

And what of the Republican supposed love of competition and free markets?  I know they're out there.  And some of them get it.  But the trolls spread their propaganda relentlessly, tell us that a "private" cartel that handles healthcare hand-in-glove with a corrupt government is so much better than an actual government-run healthcare system, which would be accountable on so many more levels.  Either way, we've got no competition, no choices.  At least with the government you can sue for your rights.  When your healthcare is controlled by Pfizer University Medical Group, you might notice on that sign-in form that you've signed away your right to file a lawsuit in the terms of service, and your only choice for filing a grievance is with their wholly owned arbitration system.

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I am for IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer Insurance for ALL absolutely!!! 

 

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would not only provide 24/7 care no matter what but would also create new jobs throughout the USA.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of vets care significantly in additionto improving a disabled vets and their families quality of life significantly. 

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of government across the board significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of public education significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of higher education significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of groceries significantly.

 

Universal V Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of local government significantly.

 

Universal Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of cars significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care SHOULD in effect reduce the cost of just about all consumer products significantly.

 

Consider that the federal government spends more than $1.4 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which in reality would likely cover most all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. 

 

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

--- For about 250 tax dollars a month for a family of four  Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and

preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care  

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively. We dictate to the government that our tax dollars be directed

to health care for all instead of raising taxes.

 

 

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What would it take to get citizens pissed off enough to demand a consumer vote on this issue of single payer?

 

Yes it can happen if enough consumer pressure is applied. 

 

The insurance industry does not provide health care yet they are making bundles of money = time to stop this BS!!!!

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Rather have private insurance than watch all my hard earned dollars get wasted through government fraud greed and corruption. 

 

Medicare is the cash cow the entire healthcare industry grew up around and also the main reason why healthcare is so expensive. 

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On 11/2/2018 at 11:39 PM, DeepBreath said:

Rather have private insurance than watch all my hard earned dollars get wasted through government fraud greed and corruption. 

 

Medicare is the cash cow the entire healthcare industry grew up around and also the main reason why healthcare is so expensive. 

 

Of course the medical insurance industry does not want to give up over charging medicare and other consumers and most of all they do not want to give up nearly 4 trillion in tax dollars they receive annually. 

 

 Tax dollars also pay for critical elements of the health care system apart from direct care—Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies. Medicare is subsidizing the insurance industry yet thinkers such as deep breath would rather have it billed to their insurance coverage ===== so stupid.

 

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On 10/26/2018 at 3:49 AM, merrill said:

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

FYI

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We offered to primary Senator Murray if she didn't stop taking money from ( and supporting the positions of ) PHRMA.

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On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 9:56 AM, ConservativeWAVE said:

Better COMPETITION is the ANSWER... NOT Socialize Medicine !!

Since the vast majority of health insurance is provided by EMPLOYERS,

how does that competition work?

 

Before you stick your foot in your mouth,

discuss

SELF INSURED COMPANIES.

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On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 3:49 AM, merrill said:

………………….snip

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

…………..snip

 

 

Are we SURE that they are FORCED?

or

COULD THEY BE MAKING MONEY ON THE DEAL?

 

Look at Self Insured Companies.

Meaning,

they DON'T hire an insurance company to provide the benefits.

They hire an insurance company to ADMINISTER the benefits.

The health care provider is PAID BY THE COMPANY.

 

The answer is in the thousands of corporate accounting systems,

which you or I are never going to have access to.

 

The companies TELL THE EMPLOYEE THAT HE IS RECEIVING A BENEFIT.

IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO KNOW

IF THE COMPANY IS PAYING OUT MORE THAN IT COLLECTS,

OR,

IS MAKING A PROFIT ON THE "BENEFIT".

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3 minutes ago, peter45 said:

Are we SURE that they are FORCED?

or

COULD THEY BE MAKING MONEY ON THE DEAL?

 

Look at Self Insured Companies.

Meaning,

they DON'T hire an insurance company to provide the benefits.

They hire an insurance company to ADMINISTER the benefits.

The health care provider is PAID BY THE COMPANY.

 

The answer is in the thousands of corporate accounting systems,

which you or I are never going to have access to.

 

The companies TELL THE EMPLOYEE THAT HE IS RECEIVING A BENEFIT.

IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO KNOW

IF THE COMPANY IS PAYING OUT MORE THAN IT COLLECTS,

OR,

IS MAKING A PROFIT ON THE "BENEFIT".

Data from three recent surveys indicate that about 40 percent of workers with employment-based health insurance are enrolled in plans that their employers self-insure.

Self-Insured Employer Health Plans: Prevalence, Profile, Provisions ...

 

 

 

Will these employers provide their employees with a raise equal to the cost of what they claim they are providing as a benefit?

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On 10/26/2018 at 4:49 AM, merrill said:

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

All Americans should be able to obtain the same plans politicians and public unions do. Period!

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5 hours ago, merrill said:

 

Of course the medical insurance industry does not want to give up over charging medicare and other consumers and most of all they do not want to give up nearly 4 trillion in tax dollars they receive annually. 

 

 Tax dollars also pay for critical elements of the health care system apart from direct care—Medicare funds much of the expensive equipment hospitals use, for instance, along with all medical residencies. Medicare is subsidizing the insurance industry yet thinkers such as deep breath would rather have it billed to their insurance coverage ===== so stupid.

 

You're an idiot. 

 

You have ZERO education on Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare in general. 

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On 11/2/2018 at 9:57 PM, merrill said:

 

I am for IMPROVED Medicare Single Payer Insurance for ALL absolutely!!! 

 

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would not only provide 24/7 care no matter what but would also create new jobs throughout the USA.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of vets care significantly in additionto improving a disabled vets and their families quality of life significantly. 

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of government across the board significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of public education significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of higher education significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of groceries significantly.

 

Universal V Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of local government significantly.

 

Universal Health Care would in effect reduce the cost of cars significantly.

 

Universal Single Payer Health Care SHOULD in effect reduce the cost of just about all consumer products significantly.

 

Consider that the federal government spends more than $1.4 trillion tax dollars annually on healthcare which in reality would likely cover most all in the USA under a Universal Single Payer Health Care program. 

 

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

--- For about 250 tax dollars a month for a family of four  Universal Single Payer Insurance for ALL would cover every person for all necessary medical care 24/7 to include:

     

Wellness /prescription drugs / hospital / surgical / outpatient services /  primary and

preventive care / emergency services / dental / mental health / home health / physical therapy / rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) / vision care /  hearing services including hearing aids / chiropractic / medical equipment / palliative care / long term care  

 

No deductibles / No Co-pays

 

The above is not free medical care just merely using our tax dollars more efficiently and effectively. We dictate to the government that our tax dollars be directed

to health care for all instead of raising taxes.

 

 

 

The only fiscally responsible answer for the USA ..... absolutely.

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On 10/29/2018 at 11:09 AM, splunch said:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/medicare-made

 

Good article.  Kennedy, as President a long time ago, noted that even back then, the United States was 30 years behind our fellow developed Liberal democracies, who had long since nationalized healthcare.  Doctors who have opposed it forever, for fear of having it cut into their profits, are now finding themselves increasingly in the cross hairs.  It is more and more difficult for them to maintain a private practice as the machine that pays the bills in Washington lobbies and schemes relentlessly to drive up costs and, most importantly, to increase the bureaucratic load on medical facilities.  Doctors are being driven out of private practice and into the welcoming arms of corporate hospital groups, insurance companies, and drug companies, where the racket really focuses profits and the hyper-profitability of the whole corrupt scheme enables them-- and only them --to bear the burden of the bureaucracy, the insurance costs.  

 

In the end American will trade their "private" healthcare for a nationalized system, because there will be no choices.  There will be only the major players, who are legally allowed to collude thanks to anti-trust exemptions that the Senate will not vote on even though the House last voted to end the exemption (in 2010) by a 406-19 vote!!!

 

When in the history of ever has the House been so nearly unanimous on anything?  Our Senators ignored the vote and let the issue die. When asked why, they told us that ending that exemption would not have any effect, since nobody was colluding anyway, so why end the exemption?

 

And what of the Republican supposed love of competition and free markets?  I know they're out there.  And some of them get it.  But the trolls spread their propaganda relentlessly, tell us that a "private" cartel that handles healthcare hand-in-glove with a corrupt government is so much better than an actual government-run healthcare system, which would be accountable on so many more levels.  Either way, we've got no competition, no choices.  At least with the government you can sue for your rights.  When your healthcare is controlled by Pfizer University Medical Group, you might notice on that sign-in form that you've signed away your right to file a lawsuit in the terms of service, and your only choice for filing a grievance is with their wholly owned arbitration system.

Why the hell do you think we need some moronic anti-trust laws for healthcare or any other industry, dunce?  Because that is what your liberal masters told you when you were receiving your brainwashing from them?  No, twit, there is absolutely no rational reason for any moronic anti-trust laws whatsoever.  Period. 

 

All that is needed is for your precious, beloved government to simply allow a free market where the only laws involved are for preventing the use of FORCE or fraud.  If this is the case, then no amount of collusion by evil companies will ever be successful in the long term.  Without being able to use FORCE, a free market will utterly CRUSH any type of cartel that tries to price their goods and services significantly above fair market value.

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On 11/4/2018 at 4:41 PM, peter45 said:
Data from three recent surveys indicate that about 40 percent of workers with employment-based health insurance are enrolled in plans that their employers self-insure.

Self-Insured Employer Health Plans: Prevalence, Profile, Provisions ...

 

 

 

Will these employers provide their employees with a raise equal to the cost of what they claim they are providing as a benefit?

Unless the employees were already being overpaid due to a union, MW laws, benevolence, or some other reason, then yes, the companies will be forced to give their employees a raise equal to the cost of the health insurance they were providing if they stopped doing so, moron.  They won't have a choice in the matter.  Just because you are too fucking stupid to know why this is the case, does not magically make it untrue, idiot.

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11 hours ago, Nighthawk said:

Unless the employees were already being overpaid due to a union, MW laws, benevolence, or some other reason, then yes, the companies will be forced to give their employees a raise equal to the cost of the health insurance they were providing if they stopped doing so, moron.  They won't have a choice in the matter.  Just because you are too fucking stupid to know why this is the case, does not magically make it untrue, idiot.

They won't have a choice in the matter, the turd bird claims.

 

Please explain how the employee is supposed to know how much the company has been paying for SELF-INSURING health care?

Is that because the employee is somehow going to get access to the company's internal cost accounting?

And even if the employee did get that access, will the employee dispute how much of the indirect costs will have been assigned to that account?

How much of the HR costs?

How much of the service expense from the administration of the health policy, if there are other insurance services in the contract?

 

Of course, if you can't provide reasonable answers to those questions,

especially since there will just as many variations to the answers, as there are self-insured companies,

then you may graciously accept all of the insults that you seem to so freely spread around.

 

Nighthawk

That is a bird that flies in,

makes a lot of noise,

craps all over the place,

then blames it on some other bird.

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On 10/26/2018 at 3:49 AM, merrill said:

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 The U.S. health insurance system is typically characterized as a largely private-sector system, so it may come as a surprise that more than 60% of the $4 trillion or more annual U.S. health care bill is paid through taxes. Therefore 60% of $4 trillion tax dollars or more is the source which could cover the cost of a single payer system. At least a sizeable portion. WHY NOT COVER ALL IN AMERICA FOR ABOUT THE SAME COST AS 60%?

 

Voters should know by now after 70 years politicians have never provided health insurance for the people. Too many on both sides of the aisle take money from the insurance industry, from health care providers and are investors. 

 

Yoder and the nations republicans have no answer. Of course donations/kicbacks to political campaigns cost money aka health care dollars so who gets billed for that? People buying insurance. 

 

WE voters need the last word aka WE voters need a ballot even a special election if necessary. The money that consumers and the cost of government will save would easily justify a special election.

 

Support Single Payer in the USA!

https://credoaction.com/storystream/support-medicare-for-all/

 

WE NEED MEDICARE FOR ALL

https://act.credoaction.com/sign/sanders_medicare

 

Health care refers to services provided by medical professionals aimed at promoting physical and mental welfare, through the prevention, treatment, and management of illness. This includes care by the medical and allied health professionals, curative care for acute conditions, management of chronic disease, rehabilitation, and palliative care.

 

Although the aim of health care is to promote individual and public health, health care is a distinct concept from “health.” Factors outside of the provision of health care (e.g., diet, genetics) play an important role in determining individual health, and the provision of health care is only one aspect of the governance of health.

 

Equally though, governing health care extends beyond promoting health. Health care is a major industrial sector, a growing component of many developed countries’ national economies, and an important component of their labor force. 

https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/health_care

 

 

 Put choices on the table! And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2018 BALLOT NATION WIDE = allowing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later much of this group will enroll in single payer.

 

=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 

 

 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

Again WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

 

 

 

Bring it on .......

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On 11/2/2018 at 11:13 PM, merrill said:

What would it take to get citizens pissed off enough to demand a consumer vote on this issue of single payer?

 

Yes it can happen if enough consumer pressure is applied. 

 

The insurance industry does not provide health care yet they are making bundles of money = time to stop this BS!!!!

 

Why not put choices on the table? And show veterans and business a little more respect in the process.

 

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ON A 2020 BALLOT NATION WIDE = voting on the entire package thus providing consumers 3 options for the rest of their lives. Which one works best for YOU


=== ObamaCare which retains the health insurance industry. Sooner or later this group will enroll in single payer.


=== Single Payer Medicare for ALL = excellent coverage for those who wish to enroll. The absolute best choice on planet earth. https://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 

WE know that using the existing medicare template to service Medicare for All Single payer saves lots and lots of dollars over reinventing the wheel. http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

 


=== Self financed health care for those able to do so aka opt out. 


 

=== ALL Disabled vets should receive Medicare with a 100% benefit so they and their families can receive medical care immediately upon discharge. Make it retroactive.

 

=== Business should not be forced to provide health insurance.

 

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On 11/10/2018 at 9:43 PM, peter45 said:

They won't have a choice in the matter, the turd bird claims.

 

Please explain how the employee is supposed to know how much the company has been paying for SELF-INSURING health care?

Is that because the employee is somehow going to get access to the company's internal cost accounting?

And even if the employee did get that access, will the employee dispute how much of the indirect costs will have been assigned to that account?

How much of the HR costs?

How much of the service expense from the administration of the health policy, if there are other insurance services in the contract?

There is no reason for the employees to have to know any of that irrelevant nonsense, dumbass.  The only things the employees need to know are what they are being paid by their current employer versus what OTHER EMPLOYERS (what are known as "competitors" in basic economics terminology) are willing to pay them.  And if some cheapskate company foolishly attempts to pay their employees unfairly, i.e. significantly below the value they provide, then their greedy competitors will undoubtedly steal their workers away from them with higher wages.  This will make it very difficult for the cheapskate company to recruit and retain any qualified employees and thus eventually put them out of business if they don't change their ways.  This is why the total compensation of workers in general in free markets will always gravitate in the long term towards the productivity of the work being performed.  Period.

 

Just use your head for something other than a hat rack and think about it for a minute, dunce.  If greedy, evil companies could just randomly reduce the total compensation they are giving their employees and not suffer any consequences in recruiting and retaining any decent workers, why the hell wouldn't they have already done it a long time ago, twit?  This should be simple enough logic that even a complete dullard should be able to grasp it.  Lol...

 

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then you may graciously accept all of the insults that you seem to so freely spread around.

 

If you don't like getting insulted for making dumb comments then the solution is quite simple- quit making such dumb posts where you show how unbelievably stupid you are.  Problem solved. 

 

Of course to do this, you are probably going to have to open a book or two and actually educate yourself for once in your miserable life.  I would suggest starting with a book on basic economics.  You may actually find that wallowing in gross ignorance and utter stupidity is not nearly as much fun as you currently think it is.

 

Good luck.

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7 hours ago, Nighthawk said:

There is no reason for the employees to have to know any of that irrelevant nonsense, dumbass.  The only things the employees need to know are what they are being paid by their current employer versus what OTHER EMPLOYERS (what are known as "competitors" in basic economics terminology) are willing to pay them.  And if some cheapskate company foolishly attempts to pay their employees unfairly, i.e. significantly below the value they provide, then their greedy competitors will undoubtedly steal their workers away from them with higher wages.  This will make it very difficult for the cheapskate company to recruit and retain any qualified employees and thus eventually put them out of business if they don't change their ways.  This is why the total compensation of workers in general in free markets will always gravitate in the long term towards the productivity of the work being performed.  Period.

 

Just use your head for something other than a hat rack and think about it for a minute, dunce.  If greedy, evil companies could just randomly reduce the total compensation they are giving their employees and not suffer any consequences in recruiting and retaining any decent workers, why the hell wouldn't they have already done it a long time ago, twit?  This should be simple enough logic that even a complete dullard should be able to grasp it.  Lol...

 

If you don't like getting insulted for making dumb comments then the solution is quite simple- quit making such dumb posts where you show how unbelievably stupid you are.  Problem solved. 

 

Of course to do this, you are probably going to have to open a book or two and actually educate yourself for once in your miserable life.  I would suggest starting with a book on basic economics.  You may actually find that wallowing in gross ignorance and utter stupidity is not nearly as much fun as you currently think it is.

 

Good luck.

Your most gracious reply shows that you have absolutely no idea what the issue that I am discussing is.

The issue is THE COST OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT A COMPANY IS CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE FURNISHING AS A BENEFIT, FREE OF CHARGE, TO AN EMPLOYEE.

And specifically,

FROM A SELF INSURED COMPANY.

 

Of course, that would assume that you know what a self insured company actually is,

and since the article quoted claims that they are 40% of the providers,

they are not that uncommon.

 

And since the company is claiming that it is providing the health insurance as a benefit to the employee,

and since that insurance benefit would no longer be required if single payer health insurance was provided by the government,

it would be a reasonable expectation for the employee to receive an increase in financial compensation equal to the cost that the company is already incurring for the employee.

 

Of course, the employee would have no way of knowing what the actual cost of the benefit is,

unless the employee had access to the company's internal cost accounting system.

 

Now, did you notice how politely I explained that to you?

 

And,

I will expect that you understood little or none of it,

and thus,

your reply,

if you so choose to reply,

will have as little to do with the actual issue,

as the reply that I am responding to here.

 

You will,

of course,

include plenty of crude remarks,

and claim your expertise in something,

which,

unfortunately,

is limited to having an inflated ego.

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