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High-paying white-collar jobs are harder to come by than they were in the '50s and '60s, and so are high-paying blue-collar jobs. So-called free trade deals like NAFTA have been every bit as devastating as Ross Perot predicted they would be back in the early 1990s. A 2012 study by economists David Autor, David Dorn and Gordon Hanson found that between 1991 and 2007, the U.S. had lost roughly one-quarter of all its manufacturing jobs because of low-wage competition from China.

 

Bearing all this economic misery in mind, it isn’t surprising that so many millennials—and many Gen-Xers and Boomers as well—have been receptive to Sanders’ call for an economy that contains a certain amount of socialism and a certain amount of capitalism/free enterprise.

 

Economically, Americans on the whole were much better off economically when the New Deal was still being protected, union membership was high, the ultra-rich paid their fair share of taxes and the country was a lot more socialistic than it is now. And if the Gallup data of 2016 is any indication, millennials who consider themselves pro-socialist and pro-entrepreneur at the same time are not rejecting capitalism altogether, but rather, are rejecting crony capitalism and longing for a New Deal 3.0 (President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society was arguably the New Deal 2.0). 

 

But while Sanders’ campaign has shed a considerable amount of light on the term “democratic socialism,” public opinion was starting to move in a more pro-socialist direction long before he decided to run for president. In 2010, a Pew Research Center poll found that 43% of Americans aged 18-29 had a positive view of socialism; in a Pew poll conducted a year later in 2011, that number had increased to 49%. Pew, in 2011, also found that support for socialism was viewed positively by 34% of Americans aged 30-49, 25% of Americans aged 50-64, and 13% of Americans aged 65 and older.

 

In poll after poll, from PPP to CNN to USA Today, Sanders performs well during a hypothetical Sanders/Trump matchup, defeating the Donald by double digits. The ability of the Sanders campaign to bring in $182 million while repeatedly calling himself a socialist doesn’t indicate a desire on the part of millions of American to embrace a Soviet Union-style government,

 

it is a widespread acknowledgement that 35 years of Reaganomics and trickle-down economics have failed the working class miserably and that a return to the policies of the New Deal would be a blessing.

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5 minutes ago, merrill said:

Millions Now Understand That Capitalism Needs Socialism to Work—Which Is Why Bernie Is So Popular

Sanders' vision of democratic socialism is just capitalism with a safety net.

 

https://www.alternet.org/economy/millions-now-understand-capitalism-needs-socialism-work-which-why-bernie-so-popular

No, no it doesn't. The idea that Bernie is linked with anything smart is laughable. Bernie is not a smart man. LOL!

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3 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

Bernie is an assh*le.

 

And you are a rat-Bad worder who helped elect Trump.

 

Bill

 

I did not vote for Obama, Hillary or Trump ....... but I did vote smart.

 

Obviously conservatives are not smart voters because they voted Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quale, Bush/Cheney and Trump/Pence =  what dummies.

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10 minutes ago, merrill said:

Millions Now Understand That Capitalism Needs Socialism to Work—Which Is Why Bernie Is So Popular

Sanders' vision of democratic socialism is just capitalism with a safety net.

 

https://www.alternet.org/economy/millions-now-understand-capitalism-needs-socialism-work-which-why-bernie-so-popular

 

When Sanders officially entered the Democratic presidential primary in April 2015, his campaign was considered a longshot. Sanders, who had been serving in the U.S. Senate as an independent, proudly and openly described himself as a “socialist”—and conventional wisdom in the Democratic National Committee was that running for president as a centrist was essential unless one wanted to suffer a landslide defeat like George McGovern in 1972 or Walter Mondale in 1984.

 

But Sanders has run a disciplined, aggressive campaign that, as of May 15, 2016, had won him 1,473 Democratic delegates and 40 superdelegates. Hillary Clinton, with 2,240 delegates and 524 superdelegates, remains the frontrunner and the likely nominee.

 

But the fact that Sanders has made this much progress in a 21st-century Democratic presidential primary by describing himself as a democratic socialist and campaigning so aggressively on single-payer health care and free higher education is downright historic.

 

Context is important.

 

When Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist, he is referring to democratic socialism as practiced in Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Norway and many other countries in Western Europe; in other words, capitalism with a safety net.

 

Sanders is essentially a capitalist who rejects the type of crony capitalism and ruthless corporatism that is killing America’s middle class.

 

By European standards, Sanders is a mainstream liberal, which is a far cry from orthodox Marxist-Leninism as practiced in the old Soviet Union.

 

And compared to some of the left-wing parties that have been gaining momentum in parts of Europe (such as Podemos in Spain or Syreeza in Greece), Sanders is not that far to the left. Rather, the political discourse in the U.S. moved so far to the right in the 1980s and '90s that openly embracing socialism on any level was considered toxic.

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13 minutes ago, merrill said:

Millions Now Understand That Capitalism Needs Socialism to Work—Which Is Why Bernie Is So Popular

Sanders' vision of democratic socialism is just capitalism with a safety net.

 

https://www.alternet.org/economy/millions-now-understand-capitalism-needs-socialism-work-which-why-bernie-so-popular

that is some blind twistd logic there merrill, but since you copied and pasted it for a talking point, do you understand where it will fail once implemented?

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Merrill...do you really want to get tax'd to death so everyone that can't afford kids can have 5-6 of them at little expense?

 

Free College?....where 25-50% of the students shouldn't even be there, will flunk out and are clogging up the classrooms and system?

 

Bernie's world would never work in a Country this size....besides, the gop gave us all this debt to prevent just that

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 merrill said:

 

"I did note for Obama, Hillary or Trump ....... but I did vote smart"

 

 

I didn't know this....so you're another Untitled...and allowed this POS to get in to the WH....you didn't vote smart....you might as well voted for trump

 

How old are you Merrill??

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15 minutes ago, Fallopian said:

You helped get Trump into office. LOL! Bernie helped to split Hillary's vote. BWAHAAHAHAH

Wrong.  If someone didn't cast a vote for Trump, then they didn't help him.

 

Bernie endorsed Hillary when she won the primary.  He didn't help to split anything.  He encouraged all his supporters to vote Hillary.  

 

Some of us simply refused to do so, like me.

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45 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

I did not vote for Obama, Hillary or Trump ....... but I did vote smart.

 

Obviously conservatives are not smart voters because they voted Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quale, Bush/Cheney and Trump/Pence =  what dummies.

 

You helped elect W and Trump, Merrill, with your stupid and divisive Green Party idiocy.

 

Green Party = Republican enablers = dummies.

 

Bill

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32 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

Wrong.  If someone didn't cast a vote for Trump, then they didn't help him.

 

Bernie endorsed Hillary when she won the primary.  He didn't help to split anything.  He encouraged all his supporters to vote Hillary.  

 

Some of us simply refused to do so, like me.

 

Like hell, RR. You two are toxic vote-slitting Trump enablers.

 

Bill

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1 hour ago, merrill said:

Millions Now Understand That Capitalism Needs Socialism to Work—Which Is Why Bernie Is So Popular

Sanders' vision of democratic socialism is just capitalism with a safety net.

 

https://www.alternet.org/economy/millions-now-understand-capitalism-needs-socialism-work-which-why-bernie-so-popular

Socialism would be on life support if not for capitalism.   

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13 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

You helped elect W and Trump, Merrill, with your stupid and divisive Green Party idiocy.

 

Green Party = Republican enablers = dummies.

 

Bill

Merrill did no such thing.  We each have a vote that we can use as we choose.

 

We don't all have to vote for your lying corporate whore.

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SpyCar

You helped elect W and Trump, Merrill, with your stupid and divisive Green Party idiocy.

 

 

I agree....they must be in their early 20s...idealistic and stupid

 

and in a few years when the gop finally gets their Mission Accomplished of bankrupting America to get rid of Social Programs....I'll laugh at Merrill, Untitled and RR....you deserve it..But hey, thanks for paying for my SS and Medicare....now have fun paying for Everything the rest of your lives you Dumbshiits!!!

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51 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

I did not vote for Obama, Hillary or Trump ....... but I did vote smart.

 

Obviously conservatives are not smart voters because they voted Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quale, Bush/Cheney and Trump/Pence =  what dummies.

 

Not voting for HRC is not smart voting. Smart would be hating her, but still voting for her.  Who do you hate more now? Sanders never had a chance at becoming president and never will. I don't think you and others like you realize this is a war. A war brought on by republican swine to control every aspect of this country including who sits on the scotus, and they are winning because people like you vote with their heart. We need to be just as vicious as they are right now or we will never take back this country. HRC was no choir girl, but that's who we needed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, benson13 said:

SpyCar

You helped elect W and Trump, Merrill, with your stupid and divisive Green Party idiocy.

 

 

I agree....they must be in their early 20s...idealistic and stupid

 

and in a few years when the gop finally gets their Mission Accomplished of bankrupting America to get rid of Social Programs....I'll laugh at Merrill, Untitled and RR....you deserve it..But hey, thanks for paying for my SS and Medicare....now have fun paying for Everything the rest of your lives you Dumbshiits!!!

 

I think Merrill is a senior citizen. Her biggest concern is finding the right walking shoes.

 

RR is in his sixties and recently married a Green Party member. They bond over their hatred for Democrats and their delight in having subverted the election for Trump.

 

Assh*les, but old assh*les.

 

Bill

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8 minutes ago, JeanMoulin said:

 

Not voting for HRC is not smart voting. Smart would be hating her, but still voting for her.  

 

Sorry, but that (voting for someone I despise) makes no sense at all.  Bernie aside, I would have been happy to vote for a different Democratic candidate.  However I don't vote for liars or corporate tools who take millions from lobbyists, big banks, and big insurance.  Those people are working for their wealthy donors, not the American people.

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