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Putin's propaganda machine  has shattered reality. We are all in deep trouble folks. Putin, I fear, has won. We, as a nation. have lost. The Right feels Trump has their back. Soon he will turn his back on them for they where merely a political tool used by Putin and Trump to achieve power. Trump has no moral compass and the right will learn this although now it may be too late. Mostly they will be quite when the full scope of what has occurred comes out. The evangelical Christians and the NRA where tools. Their dreams of a white gun toting immigrant hating diplopia are going up in flames before their eyes. And it Trump is PROVEN (most already know and have seen enough) Trump not only colluded but then delivered the entire country to Putin? Trumps base will put away their MAGA hats in the garage at some point but even treason will not make them turn on Trump. Trump's hard core base will only see the manipulator for what he is when Trump turns on them. Then, much to all of our collective horror, is will too late.

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Fox Spews red meat.  Keeping the base riled up for all the wrong reasons.  They are gushing lies straight from the Trump and Russian playbook.  You can hear it parroted every day on NHB.  And Hannity & Levin play their parts so well.

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I disagree with the premise of the thread. There is a political solution and it is impeachment and election, in either order.

 

I sometimes anonymously look at a rabidly pro-Trump forum. Even there, there's some softening of support. What that crowd would be happy with is dictatorship, nothing less.

 

Know your enemy. Here's are two quotes from that mess:

 

At Trump's last Rally he made the comment that they were working on the Wall.  It would have to be with the money from the Omnibus Bill and that specifically put restrictions on what he can do.  It was only for repairs, no new Wall.  Trump has done great things but the Wall is not going to be built and that is a big, big thing.  == We can all Hope a big revelation is coming, but deep down inside we know it is NOT COMING.  Even if we win the Mid Terms BIG and have 60 Senators, nothing would change.  There are too many RINOs that are killing it for Trump.  It is looking more and more like the Democrats have Won the War.  I thought that Trump was our Mighty Casey who could get the home team a win, But Mighty Casey Has Struck Out.

 

He's one man against a whole corrupted system on both sides of the aisle. The RINOs are as much an obstacle and enemy as the Democrats are. When real conservatives disagree with Trump then the rest of the RINOs turn on them and say it's their fault. As you stated, it's highly unlikely we will ever see a wall regardless of what happens in Nov. Too many in the party don't have the will to vote for it. That was one of the biggest reasons, if not "the" biggest reason people voted for him and he spoke as if he had some sure-fire way to get it done since he knew at the time it would be difficult to get the House and Senate on board. Heard much about Mexico paying for it as well. I know I pointed out many times during the campaign that calling Congress what they really are wasn't going to play well when you need the Congress' support if elected.[/quotes]

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4 hours ago, laripu said:

I disagree with the premise of the thread

Me too how can I delete the post. It does seem a tad ALARMIST I need to take a deep breath and relax. Helsinki blew me away. I am snapping out of it but it has been a rough couple of years let alone weeks and the roller coaster continues.

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16 hours ago, bludog said:

Fox Spews red meat

I try to see how they are spinning things at FOX but I am no longer. I know they have split reality and that all it does is enrage me more as it is highly triggering. I am also curbing my continuous consumption of political commentary most of which is not really news. I am being triggered I know because I am hypervigilant and that is a sign of PTSD something I have experienced once in the past but which resolved spontaneously with time. I feel better today. Rough week.

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6 minutes ago, pentiumpilot said:

Me too how can I delete the post. It does seem a tad ALARMIST I need to take a deep breath and relax. Helsinki blew me away. I am snapping out of it but it has been a rough couple of years let alone weeks and the roller coaster continues.

 

This is all very understandable. I would seriously question anyone who is alarmed at this point.

Channeling that justified alarm, & anger into productive change is what is needed.

Most of the folks here at LO realize that what Laripu posted is accurate, important, and urgent....

 

5 hours ago, laripu said:

 There is a political solution and it is impeachment and election, in either order.

 

As individuals, I would add peaceful protest, and petition (talk to your elected representative, R, or D).

As to the effectiveness, or danger of posting your opinions on forums, I do not find these political forums dangerous, or effective.

The LO forum can be a very educational. I have engaged in real debates here that add to my knowledge on specific political subjects.

I don't think I changed anyone's mind,  or political persuasion. I would not expect them to change their opinion based upon an anonymous post on the internet. That would be foolish.

 

In the NHB forum, I do not receive, nor expect real debate. If that is what you are looking for, stay away from that forum.

It is not debate. It is mockery, derision, contempt, anger, & hate. The NHB is like street level protest / counter-protest.

Free speech is like that sometimes. It is an ugly, and unproductive way to vent frustration, but if you feel so inclined, it is safer than confronting these same idiots / nazis / racists on the street and getting beat up, or run over by a car.

 

I find delivery of satire, and derision to be mildly therapeutic, but ultimately unsatisfying.

 

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1 hour ago, pentiumpilot said:

I try to see how they are spinning things at FOX but I am no longer. I know they have split reality and that all it does is enrage me more as it is highly triggering

 

In the OP video the actor, Levin spouts Trump's disinformation agenda in an act of calculated manipulation directed at the gullible right.  Intentional attempts to deceive can be maddening to those capable of recognizing the perfidy.  Although it is essential to know what your opponents are up to, I prefer to get that information from other Liberals with stronger stomachs than mine.   

 

6 hours ago, laripu said:

There is a political solution and it is impeachment and election, in either order.

 

46 minutes ago, ExPDXer said:

As individuals, I would add peaceful protest, and petition (talk to your elected representative, R, or D).

 

I would add giving selective donations, as you can afford them, to those officeholders who oppose Trump the most.  Until we achieve election reform and eliminate large and secret donations, uncorrupted lawmakers who eschew big interest dollars depend on small donations to continue their work.

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4 hours ago, ExPDXer said:

As individuals, I would add peaceful protest, and petition (talk to your elected representative, R, or D).

 

Thanks for adding that, I forgot about it.

I'm too old for that.

 

3 hours ago, bludog said:

I would add giving selective donations, as you can afford them, to those officeholders who oppose Trump the most.

 

I'm too old to be standing around with signs, but not too old to donate.

I donated to Obama twice and Hillary Clinton once.

I'll donate again soon, probably to help prevent Scott from displacing Nelson in the Senate, and when I decide who I'd prefer for governor of Florida.

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9 minutes ago, laripu said:

I'll donate again soon, probably to help prevent Scott from displacing Nelson in the Senate, and when I decide who I'd prefer for governor of Florida

 

Great cause.  I just donated to Bernie through Act Blue.  I'm glad they added Paypal as a way to donate.  I feel much more comfortable doing it that way.

 

Bernie's been stumping through the Northern Midwest along with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.  They've been holding rallies in Conservative areas and still attracted big crowds.  All the signs point to a groundswell of economic populism in the near future.

 

18 minutes ago, laripu said:

I'm too old to be standing around with signs, but not too old to donate

 

Me too.  I spent many weeks, in all kinds of weather on picket lines ....  rallying for our union and fighting the good fight.   Now I do what I can.

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20 hours ago, pentiumpilot said:

Me too how can I delete the post. It does seem a tad ALARMIST I need to take a deep breath and relax. Helsinki blew me away. I am snapping out of it but it has been a rough couple of years let alone weeks and the roller coaster continues.

You are right about Trump using these people and I have to admit it caused a little fear in me as well but we have to remind ourselves that even though we have a trainwreck in the oval office there are some individuals I have some faith in most recently Dan Coats. I know not everyone can control him lets just hope there is enough sanity around him to keep the guardrails up so he cant swerve the whole country off a cliff.

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22 hours ago, fourputt said:

caused a little fear in me as well 

 

Me too. Fear and loathing. (Thanks for the line, Hunter Thompson!  :))

 

Two issues:

- they talked about revoking the citizenship of some naturalized people (and I'm a naturalized ex-Canadian).

- they talked about revoking the security clearances of people who publicly criticize Trump (and I'm a cleared person who publicly criticizes Trump).

 

How soon before these two issues collapse into each other and they talk about denaturalizing people who publicly criticize Trump?

 

Even if that doesn't happen, how soon before the most rabid right wing nuts decide to commit acts of violence on naturalized people who publicly criticize Trump?

 

They're already going after visible minorities. It's not a stretch that they'd go after those they feel are foreign and anti-Trump.

 

I've already decided that if someone physically threatens me, and if I'm not paralyzed by fear, I will fight back in the most violent and insane manner I can manage, using whatever is available: teeth, pavement, whatever.  Make 'em pay. (More likely, I'll be fearful, not angry, and therefore incapable.)

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On 7/24/2018 at 7:18 AM, fourputt said:

Dan Coats. I know not everyone can control him lets just hope there is enough sanity around him to keep the guardrails up so he cant swerve the whole country off a cliff

Yes!

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On 7/23/2018 at 5:34 PM, laripu said:

 

I'll donate again soon, probably to help prevent Scott from displacing Nelson in the Senate, and when I decide who I'd prefer for governor of Florida.

Very important Senate battleground for Dem's. I will be doing the same.

Let's talk Midterms!

Incumbent Sen. Bill Nelson (D) vs term limited trumplican Gov. Rick Scott (R)

Cook Report & Larry Saboto's Crystal Ball  rate this Toss up

Latest polling Nelson 44.4%  Scott 45.2% very close!

 

In my humble opinion, Nelson (or Dem outreach) would be very smart to send AOC to Kissimee area. Very , very large population of Puerto Rican citizens from Irma. She would be a rockstar for that area. Even if it's just for registration drives, it would make a huge difference right in the middle of the I-4 corridor from Tampa to Daytona. Nelson, and the Dems need to get over their progressive phobia and use it to their advantage against Trumplican candidates. Political malfeasance if they do not take advantage.

 

Florida Dem Primary on Aug 28th will determine Democratic candidate for Governor.

Latest polling:

Gwen Graham             22%

Philip Levine                19%

Jeff Greene                  22%

Andrew Gillum             10%

 

Mayor Andrew Gillum  is the most progressive. Supports single-payer healthcare. George Soros and Tom Steyer support him. I like him on issues, but probably will not win.

Ex mayor Philip Levine is probably the most conservative. Cruise line millionaire. almost ran on the Republican ticket.

Rep. Gwen Graham is probably most electable against Republican. Centrist- moderate with broad appeal to women.

Jeff Greene is a wildcard. A billionaire real estate developer who will spend tens of millions of his own money to 'buy' the ticket.

 

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Forced myself to watch the doc on Trump and realized he is one sick sob, can't sleep with a woman who has had children, even if they were his from his wife Ivanna, lied about almost getting on helicopter that crashed and killed one of his casino managers  and then at the wake talked to his successor about his new responsibilities, at his own fathers funeral talked about his own success and challenges. He needs out ASAP we have a disgusting con man narcissist in the white house and it amazes me where we were just a few years ago and where we are now.

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The fallacy here wherein is the question of indictment of a sitting president. Structurally the strain with this president is his illegalities prior to his presidency. More to the point, even without

any proven conspiracy to interact with a foreign entity in order to become president, he just might be guilty to more than just a few illegalities that might have disqualified his presidency

prior to his stature of sitting president.

 

But that being what it may, sure, impeachment would need to be the first course of action. Yet, Nixon would have undergone criminal prosecution if he were not pardoned by Gerald Ford.

I'm just saying, I'm not a lawyer, nor have I ever admired Alan Dershowitz - but hey, he's what 81 years old and still kicking and filled with zeal. Which reminds me...

 

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