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What motivates Republican voters that you know?

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What motivates the Republican voters that you personally know?

 

Being retired, I miss getting opinions from people through work.

Although it is always a bad idea to argue politics at work, it was possible to listen to people and get an idea where they were coming from.

And I had the type of job in which I interacted with people from factory workers to CEOs. (management and consulting)

I worked for 50+ years, so I met a lot of people.

 

My general impression of Republicans (and maybe most voters) is that they vote for stereotypes instead of issues.

Probably the most annoying stereotype that they seemed to cling to was the "fiscally responsible" image.

Even after the passage of Medicare Part D by the Bush admin, if they were asked about it, they would maintain that it was a good fiscally responsible law.

 

Unfortunately (for me), the job mutated before the beginning of the Bush Depression, and then eventually I semi-retired. (work for a few months every time the client called me back)

But I never did get to feel out various people's opinions on much following the market crash, Obama, and Trump.

 

I have plenty of anecdotes.

Like the industrial equipment salesman who was adamantly against the EPA, because "it was bad for business".

I couldn't resist pointing out that his product line included pollution control equipment.

 

So,

do most Republicans still maintain that they are fiscally responsible,

and that "trickle down" economics are better for America than China?

 

 

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Todays neo con doesn't even know what a progressive tax rate is let alone trickle down economics, they seem fine spending billions on defense hardware that's increasing debt but don't dare spend a couple hundred dollars allowing children to see a doctor today for vaccinations if their any other skin tone then lily white cause only white people pay for health insurance and these people don't belong here anyways. For the most part the idiots I run across don't even grasp the notion that belonging to a labor union is political so they have all these pro union stickers on lunch boxes ,tool boxes, vehicle windows and then start bad mouthing democrat leaders its just so stupid and your proving your ignorance by saying "PROUD UNION TRADE X MEMBER" and then have a trump sticker right next to it. The voting public specifically white men are very confused they somehow think Trump is the best thing that has ever happened politically, there is a real belief amongst this group that this country is being bled from within from illegal immigrants and minorities that either want a free ride or want their job and are willing to do it for less.

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Issues that I have noticed in my interactions with moderate conservatives (I tend not to interact with rabid Trumpists)


- They are afraid of whites becoming a minority and the culture of America changing. 

- Some believe that abortion is murder and that it should be illegal. 

- Gun rights. I'm not talking about rednecks and open-carry lunatics - I am talking about responsible gun owners. They love them and want to keep them. 

- They are afraid of what happened in places like Venezuela and worry about programs that they view as socialistic. 

- The rise of atheism worries them.

- The tend to support self reliance over societal solutions. 

 

Of course, people are complex and hold a variety of views on a  variety of issues.

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On 6/13/2018 at 7:04 AM, peter45 said:

What motivates the Republican voters that you personally know?

 

Being retired, I miss getting opinions from people through work.

Although it is always a bad idea to argue politics at work, it was possible to listen to people and get an idea where they were coming from.

And I had the type of job in which I interacted with people from factory workers to CEOs. (management and consulting)

I worked for 50+ years, so I met a lot of people.

 

My general impression of Republicans (and maybe most voters) is that they vote for stereotypes instead of issues.

Probably the most annoying stereotype that they seemed to cling to was the "fiscally responsible" image.

Even after the passage of Medicare Part D by the Bush admin, if they were asked about it, they would maintain that it was a good fiscally responsible law.

 

Unfortunately (for me), the job mutated before the beginning of the Bush Depression, and then eventually I semi-retired. (work for a few months every time the client called me back)

But I never did get to feel out various people's opinions on much following the market crash, Obama, and Trump.

 

I have plenty of anecdotes.

Like the industrial equipment salesman who was adamantly against the EPA, because "it was bad for business".

I couldn't resist pointing out that his product line included pollution control equipment.

 

So,

do most Republicans still maintain that they are fiscally responsible,

and that "trickle down" economics are better for America than China?

 

 

While being out of the workforce, you are solidly correct regarding your thoughts!

The national debt is always put out there as a major obstacle towards allowing younger generations to one day have a better life, with as they always say, not being terribly burdened by taxation placed upon them by the old - you know SS and medicare, etc...

 

Meanwhile, none of that's ever been true. What we have today is a class of the few getting incredibly rich. The most prized, those lucky skilled professionals who sauntered into some specialized knowledge or skill and at the right time, and low and behold, and without mentioning, there are many others just as bright, and it can be said, many times higher in debt due to the high cost of any secondary education. 

 

And as I'm sure you know by now, it's been this way for quite a while now. 

 

The neo-liberal says, we need to protect intellectual property. The very same intellectual property that in the end creates capital flight, or huge profit motives. Beware taxation, this hoary 

old Beowolf type notation, with no mention of subsidy or how we subsidize with tax payers money pharmaceutical patent rights, or patent rights in technology, or natural resource land grants. And always with the same old song of a promise - cut taxes and the big corporations will then create more jobs. Yet nobody, none of the neo-liberal types mention that productivity growth is continually stagnant, or that real wage growth, most especially for those who are not specialized professionals is actually in the minus column when you adjust for inflation.

 

You sir, are correct. People do not vote on the issues. They do not take the time to see that the promise of working hard and the true rising tide has been neglected by our Congress

that has fixed the economic stage in such a way to make the rich get richer, and in such a way to delegitimize our so called democracy!

 

What was once thought of as the American Exceptionalism - which it never truly was, oh well perhaps for some, depending on their skin color or heritage, died a stagnant death. 

It was merely a promise, a convergence of ideas whereby we as a people would one day see the importance of human welfare, welfare of the working class, some type of understanding regarding ecology, caring for the land, or having a true civic pride and focusing  on a solid stable economy that could only be created with expert mentorship so that others could and most certainly would endeavor to follow. 

 

Peace!

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to answer your question - which i forgot to do, well sometimes people answer their own questions by asking the right ones. What motivates divide, what motivates national policy, or lack thereof? You take a few nation states, and they build together some type of stand, say Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Russia, and sure, the U.S too?

Why do they bomb Yemen especially at a time when the place was broken beyond repair and people who care were only trying to set up some type of humanitarian pipeline there?

And I guess that's too political, if you speak out regarding any truth, they will say that it's too political. And I suppose what they say is controlled, they have a plan, some design, what it

is I cannot say what their plan is, I can only say it is dismal. 

Like protecting our borders in the U.S. by separating children from their parents when they flee hostile lands where drug lords are killing their kids and they ask for refugee status.

Syrians flee, and wind up in Jordan which is a poor country. I guess in Jordan they aren't worried about the future somehow as much as they do worry about those who have no place

else to go. 

 

And nobody wants a nuclear bomb to go off in their neighborhood, and nobody wants a terrorist to bomb a bus full of children, and nobody wants to live in a land ruled by a dictatorship

who doesn't give a damn in any way about any of its people. 

 

And who are the people, and what does any ordinary life truly mean? We should all dig a lot deeper when we decide upon how to deal with any true dilemma. And some of us should act

when and if we can understand our world. Mentor someone, teach, leave something behind for all children and not just your own. Ahh, the old golden rule, or some fabric of a society

that tends to its poorest sincerely knowing it could be them that has been left out of the mix, and for no good reasons neither towards that dismal end.

 

Peace!

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I think most Republican voters get conned with the latest wedge issue,of the moment.

"lock her up","drain the swamp","build the wall",

"Locker room talk".

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55 minutes ago, Mizzy22 said:

I think most Republican voters get conned with the latest wedge issue,of the moment.

"lock her up","drain the swamp","build the wall",

"Locker room talk".

 

Welcome to the forum Mizzy22. 

 

No doubt about it.  Wedge issues like gun rights, abortion, ethnic hate and racism are the life-blood of the Republican Party.  Slogans that can fit on bumper sticker like "drain the swamp" and "build the wall"  are more ephemeral but serve the same purpose:---  They act as a smoke screen for the only real goal of today's Republicans:---  Widening the wealth gap as much as possible and establishing Plutocracy here in the USA.

 

Republicans and far too many Democrats take large contributions from wealthy donors in return for custom-crafted legislation, often written by the lobbyists or campaign contributors themselves.  Republicans run on the wedge issues and then vote per the instructions of their big donors.  Corporate Democrats usually  support liberal social issues like LGBT rights and racial equality, which the donors normally don't care about but vote with Republicans on economic issues which further increase the wealth of the already extremely wealthy ...  And help reduce living standards for the rest;  Shrinking the Middle Class and swelling the ranks of the poor.

 

Since, on average, the best funded candidate wins about 90% of the time, and most people usually are not aware of how their representatives vote, corrupt politicians have been very successful.   All this probably dates back to about the time when Reagan fired the striking Air Traffic Controllers, and eradicated their union, signalling the start of a war on working Americans.

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Greed, racism, perverted lust, incest/inbreeding illegal drugs, legal drugs, drugs and inbreeding.

Paranoia and penis envy. Ignorance.

I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. 

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25 minutes ago, GorgeousGeorge said:

Greed, racism, perverted lust, incest/inbreeding illegal drugs, legal drugs, drugs and inbreeding.

Paranoia and penis envy. Ignorance.

I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. 

I'm sure there are those whom you describe - however, no one I know is motivated in this way. I think it is mostly abortion or misinformation that is cast out by very ruthless ultra conservatives bent by ideology. As long as they get what they want they don't really care about real people or the environment. 

Peace!

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2 hours ago, TheOldBarn said:

I'm sure there are those whom you describe - however, no one I know is motivated in this way. I think it is mostly abortion or misinformation that is cast out by very ruthless ultra conservatives bent by ideology. As long as they get what they want they don't really care about real people or the environment. 

Peace!

 

Well, I am talking about the creeps on the internet who are mostly putin/trump paid trolls. Oh, and those gop creeps who have been attacking Rosenstein in the latest capital hill circus.

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5 hours ago, GorgeousGeorge said:

 

Well, I am talking about the creeps on the internet who are mostly putin/trump paid trolls. Oh, and those gop creeps who have been attacking Rosenstein in the latest capital hill circus.

oh, those cads... there is no other way of explaining any of that. Calling them creeps fits, seems to fit the bill, oh wait, how does a bill become law, and yeah, that's a scary thing to think about 

these days!

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oh and I like Putin, he should be allowed back into the G8, but excuse me, now I have to rush off and kiss Kim Jung Un's precious arse. And later on, I'll meet with Putin, just after that weak no help from the other countries NATO summit that is... Sad

And, just why can't people get along, I mean, well meaning people protest, I don't know why they do, just because they appear to be racist, whatever happened to civility, and that Maxine Waters, she is so dishonest, and rightfully said, violently tempered, oh how irresponsible, she should be careful what she wishes.

 

--- you can't make this stuff up folks!

Peace!

 

 

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