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On 4/2/2019 at 5:03 PM, bludog said:

Given humankind's innate adaptability, it would only take one or two generations for the world to switch to a plant-based diet.

 

True, if there is the political will.

But half the country is conservative, and much of Europe is too.

 

We can't even get most conservatives to agree that there is a climate problem.

 

We can't even get most conservatives to agree that evolution is real and that the world is billions of years old.

 

And there are plenty of liberals that like meat too.

 

So there isn't a majority that's in favor of an exclusively plant-based diet.

 

I don't have any confidence that this is an issue that can be won before there are emergencies. And even then...

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1 hour ago, laripu said:

I don't have any confidence that this is an issue that can be won before there are emergencies. And even then...

 

Yes, even after unprecedented, record smashing weather events;  Even after the submergence of islands and low lying coasts and the dislocation of armies of refugees;  And even after massive crop failures due to drought and the die-off of pollinators ...  Ignorant, brainwashed deniers will still insist that nothing has happened that is not part of eons old cycles.  The fossil fuel industry will still employ scientists to make up data showing there is no cause for concern; and no need to take action.  And even the more moderate right wing media will continue to quote the frauds on an equal footing with the 97% of scientists who leave no doubt that anthropogenic global warming is real.

 

What is needed is a game-changer.  That is why a massive effort like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez "Green New Deal" is the way to go.  Once an all all-out war is started, and the enemy is identified as global warming, the American political equation will change, just as it does when a war commences.  One of the best things about such a national effort is, it will create many jobs over a long period of time, and boost the economy.  Meanwhile, the US will once again become a respected world-leader as we reduce our greenhouse gas footprint to nearly zero.

 

Today's political situation is not the time yet;  But the idea has been floated.  As a large segment of younger people worry for their future.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818109001416

 

 

hell, I'll just copy and paste.

 

  1. Abstract
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  4. 2. Data and methods
  5. 3. Results and discussion
  6. 4. Conclusions
  7. Acknowledgements
  8. Appendix A. IGBP to potential vegetation conversion
  9. Appendix B. IGBP to soil and vegetation carbon conversion
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  1. Fig.1. Mean carbon densities over areas of realizable afforestation in kgm2
  2. Fig.2. Results for the average drawdown afforestation scenario
  3. Fig.3. Minimum, top and maximum, bottom, net afforestation carbon drawdown (kgm−2)
  4. Fig.4. Change in surface latent heat flux into the atmosphere due to afforestation
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Elsevier

Global and Planetary Change

Volume 69, Issue 4, December 2009, Pages 195-204
Global and Planetary Change

The net carbon drawdown of small scale afforestation from satellite observations

   

 

Abstract

Climate models indicate that warming due to increase in shortwave absorption from the lowering of albedo caused by afforestation reduces and can even overcome, particularly at high latitudes, the cooling caused by the carbon drawdown. We use high resolution (0.05 × 0.05° to 1 × 1°) global satellite observations to investigate the effects of afforestation. Results are markedly different from the coarser (~ 2.5 × ~ 2.5°) model-based studies. Between 40°S and 60°N afforestation always results in cooling. Many of the areas with the highest net carbon drawdown (drawdown after albedo effects) are at high latitudes. There is large zonal variability in drawdown and latitude is not a good indicator of afforestation efficiency. The overall efficiency of afforestation, defined as the net carbon drawdown divided by the total drawdown, is about 50%. By only considering the total drawdown and not considering albedo effects, the Kyoto Protocol carbon accounting rules grossly overestimate the cooling caused by afforestation drawdown.

 

 

People need to eat, stuff. They have taste buds. So does the pig and the chick, and the rabbit and the tortoise. What say, does the rabbit like to eat? What say does the pig or chick like to eat? What say the tortoise?

 

 

Well I guess, the tortoise likes hot dogs!

Peace!

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I've been doing the low waste to reduce my use of plastics.  I have been a little upset about not being able to get tofu and tempeh without plastic.  They do have the ability to use cornstarch plastic, so I don't understand why companies that are producing plant based food are creating mountains of plastic waste.  I can't even get vegetable broth without plastic lined containers.

 

 

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Would you accept 'solar geoengineering' as part of the answer?   Would you be willing to accept a 'solar shade' to lessen the impact of global warming and give humans more time to adopt a carbon-neutral economy?

 

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New research from the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS), in collaboration with MIT and Princeton University, finds that if solar geoengineering is used to cut global temperature increases in half, there could be worldwide benefits without exacerbating change in any large geographic area.  Science Daily

 

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Excellent video about the morality issues of meat eating:

 

 

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On 4/2/2019 at 4:03 PM, bludog said:

 

As omnivores, we evolved the ability to live on either plants alone as 40% of subcontinental Indians do;  Or a diet of meat alone e.g. Eskimos.  There are no nutrients from animals that cannot be derived from plants. 

 

We have no inborn preference for certain foods.  Instead, we have been designed by evolution to be food-adaptable.  Everything depends on conditioning and habit.  Many vegans find meat repugnant.  And lots of meat eaters are repelled by plant based foods.

 

Given humankind's innate adaptability, it would only take one or two generations for the world to switch to a plant-based diet.

 

 

A sensible approach.  And part of any solution to combat anthropogenic climate change.  But livestock are far more demanding of space than crops.  The raising of livestock spurs habitat loss far more than cultivation of produce.

 

 

The population of the planet is approaching 8 billion and we must all be fed.

 

Raising livestock for slaughter is many times more destructive to the environment than plant agriculture.   Each steer, pig and chicken must be fed with crops, raised separately, just for them.  Beef comes from ruminants which produce methane.  Methane comprises 10% of greenhouse gases but is roughly 30 times more powerful in trapping the sun's heat.

 

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases

Pie chart that shows different types of gases. 81% from carbon dioxide fossil fuel use, deforestation, decay of biomass, etc., 10% from methane, 6% from nitrous oxide and 3% from fluorinated gases.

This makes methane a more dangerous greenhouse gas than CO2.  Eliminating hamburgers from the national diet alone, and replacing them with grains, beans/legumes, nuts/seeds and vegetables, would go far in controlling the runaway greenhouse effect.

 

 

Wheat or corn are low-glycemic and do not cause diabetes.  Over-processing of wheat by removing the bran and germ layers, turns it into it empty carbs. And the concentrated sugar derived from corn harms health.  But without modification, beef, bacon and milk are loaded with saturated fats and cholesterol.

 

Plant based agriculture has its own problems but is many times less destructive to the biosphere than the raising of livestock for slaughter.

 

People eating less overall on average would help. And actually, as far as livestock go, higher prices on red meat would be an economical solution to reducing our consumption of it. But there would be a lot of opposition to any effort to do that, of course.

 

As far as vegan nutrition is concerned, I've heard that it's harder to get everything we need from plants, but I suppose it's not that hard with today's wide selection of vegan foods and ingredients. Of course, it's also a widespread problem today that people on all sorts of diets are lacking vital nutrients to the point that it kills some of them. Saw an story about that just the other day.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

Avoiding meat and dairy is ‘single biggest way’ to reduce your impact on Earth

Biggest analysis to date reveals huge footprint of livestock - it provides just 18% of calories but takes up 83% of farmland

 

Avoiding meat and dairy products is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet, according to the scientists behind the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming does to the planet.

The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.

 

The new analysis shows that while meat and dairy provide just 18% of calories and 37% of protein, it uses the vast majority – 83% – of farmland and produces 60% of agriculture’s greenhouse gas emissions. Other recent research shows 86% of all land mammals are now livestock or humans. The scientists also found that even the very lowest impact meat and dairy products still cause much more environmental harm than the least sustainable vegetable and cereal growing.

 

"A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions.

 

One surprise from the work was the large impact of freshwater fish farming, which provides two-thirds of such fish in Asia and 96% in Europe, and was thought to be relatively environmentally friendly. “You get all these fish depositing excreta and unconsumed feed down to the bottom of the pond, where there is barely any oxygen, making it the perfect environment for methane production,” a potent greenhouse gas, Poore said.

 

Prof Tim Benton, at the University of Leeds, UK, said: “This is an immensely useful study. It brings together a huge amount of data and that makes its conclusions much more robust. The way we produce food, consume and waste food is unsustainable from a planetary perspective. Given the global obesity crisis, changing diets – eating less livestock produce and more vegetables and fruit – has the potential to make both us and the planet healthier.”

 

Dr Peter Alexander, at the University of Edinburgh, UK, was also impressed but noted: “There may be environmental benefits, eg for biodiversity, from sustainably managed grazing and increasing animal product consumption may improve nutrition for some of the poorest globally. My personal opinion is we should interpret these results not as the need to become vegan overnight, but rather to moderate our [meat] consumption.”

 

Poore said: “The reason I started this project was to understand if there were sustainable animal producers out there. But I have stopped consuming animal products over the last four years of this project. These impacts are not necessary to sustain our current way of life. The question is how much can we reduce them and the answer is a lot.”

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Looks like veggie burgers are becoming increasingly popular as they get more indistinguishable from the real thing.

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-beyond-meat-ipo-20190423-story.html

Beyond Meat could be valued at up to $1.2 billion in IPO

 
Beyond Meat could be valued at up to $1.2 billion in IPO
The Beyond Sausage, left, the Beyond Burger 2.0 and the Beyond Breakfast Sausage are some of the products created by Beyond Meat. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)
 

Beyond Meat Inc., the maker of vegan chicken and beef substitutes backed by some of the biggest names in food and technology, is seeking to raise as much as $184 million in its initial public offering.

The El Segundo-based company plans to sell 8.75 million shares for $19 to $21 each, according to a filing Monday with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. A listing at the top of that range would give the company a market value of about $1.2 billion based on the shares to be outstanding after the offer, according to its filing.

The company is one of several makers of plant-based meat substitutes or lab-grown meats that have attracted high-profile backers. Its investors include Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates and actor Leonardo DiCaprio, as well as former McDonald’s Corp. chief executive officer Don Thompson.

Beyond Meat’s biggest stakeholders are venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers LLC, which owns 16% of the company, and Twitter Inc. co-founder Ev William’s Obvious Ventures with 9%, according to its filings.

Tyson Foods Inc., the largest U.S. meat producer, is accelerating development of its own alternative-protein products and is also a backer of Beyond Meat. Tyson has invested in Jerusalem-based Future Meat Technologies and, along with Gates, Richard Branson and Cargill Inc., is an investor in Memphis Meats, a cultured meat producer.

Four-fifths of respondents in a Cargill survey said they were interested in plant-based or alternative sources of protein. More than two-thirds said they intended to maintain or increase their consumption of animal protein in the next year, according to the survey conducted in the U.S., Brazil, the Netherlands and Vietnam and released Monday.

Beyond Meat, founded in 2009 and initially focused on a frozen-chicken substitute, has taken advantage of vegan diet preferences to go more mainstream. Now, it’s best known for the Beyond Burger, which is made to “look, cook and taste like traditional ground beef,” according to its filings.

Its products are sold by grocers such as Kroger and Whole Foods, as well as appearing on restaurant menus for TGI Friday’s and A&W Canada.

The company’s latest filing shows its 2018 loss shrank, while its revenue more than doubled for the second year in a row. Last year, it lost $29.9 million on revenue of $87.9 million compared with a 2017 loss of $30.4 million on revenue of $32.6 million.

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On 4/1/2019 at 11:55 AM, bludog said:

Finally, vegetarian burgers are starting to show up in fast food chains.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/technology/burger-king-impossible-whopper.html

These meatless burgers produce just a small fraction of the greenhouse gasses that are emitted by cattle.  The beef industry is challenging the use of the word "meat" for these burgers.  Needless to say, ranchers will oppose meatless burgers with every resource available.  But there are high hopes among people concerned with global warming and the environment, that this is the beginning of the end for burgers made of animal meat.

 

I'm a big fan of the Beyond Beef burger.  Yum!!!! 

 

My only problem is the amount of packaging. They put it in a plastic tray to mimic the meat trays at the supermarket, then package it in more plastic.  Companies have developed cornstarch plastic and biodegradable cellulose.   I can't buy it until they solve that wrapped in piles of plastic problem.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, LoreD said:

I can't buy it until they solve that wrapped in piles of plastic problem.

 

To comport with the spirit and environmental practicality of veggie burgers, they should come only in biodegradable plastic wrappers.  But, even if not perfectly packaged, the burgers themselves still represent an enormous ecological benefit, as compared to beef.  To say nothing of the prevention of heartless slaughter.

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4 hours ago, bludog said:

 

To comport with the spirit and environmental practicality of veggie burgers, they should come only in biodegradable plastic wrappers.  But, even if not perfectly packaged, the burgers themselves still represent an enormous ecological benefit, as compared to beef.  To say nothing of the prevention of heartless slaughter.

 

True.

 

But  I'm hoping for an improvement in the packaging.  I was watching a documentary about a grocery store chain in Britain that informed their suppliers that they would no longer be accepting plastic containers for food.  The suppliers made the changes in order to continue supplying the stores.  Bread arrived in biodegradable cellulose bags.  Frozen items were packaged in biodegradable trays.  

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17 hours ago, LoreD said:

Bread arrived in biodegradable cellulose bags.  Frozen items were packaged in biodegradable trays.  

 

That's a great precedent.  Hopefully, others will follow.

 

 

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https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/4/25/18514798/beyond-meat-ipo-vegan-sustainable-food

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Beyond Meat is going public. Investors are betting on a new future for food.

Plant-based meat products might fix our food system. 

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It’s been a good few years for Beyond Meat. National chains including Del Taco, Carl’s Jr., and T.G.I. Friday’s have started carrying their products. They’ve also found their way onto grocery store shelves at Whole Foods, Kroger, and Target. In total, Beyond Meat says its products are available in more than 35,000 outlets, from hotels and college campuses to grocery stores and sports stadiums. Sales have been growing fast — last year the company reported revenues of $87.9 million, up from $32.6 million in 2017.

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There’s a lot wrong with our food system. Producing meat by raising animals on factory farms produces tons of greenhouse gases, and many analysts think we can’t tackle climate change without tackling the enormous emissions that go into agriculture. Animals in close quarters are fed low-dose antibiotics constantly so they don’t make one another sick, which contributes to antibiotic resistance, a huge threat on the horizon for public health. And animals on factory farms are routinely subjected to intense cruelty and conditions that disgust the average American consumer.

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Products like veggie burgers, fake chicken, and soy and almond milk are growing in popularity and market share — and even better, they’re getting tastier and harder to distinguish from animal products.

New breakthroughs in food science have made it easier to imitate the flavor and texture of real meat. While early veggie burgers were almost exclusively purchased by vegetarians, Brown says that 93 percent of Beyond Meat customers buy regular meat too — suggesting the company has succeeded at making something that appeals to meat eaters.

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“There’s a sense that there’s a movement going on that’s much bigger than any one company,” Brown told Vox two weeks ago.

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I just watched a news story about 2.5 million Australians (14%) that have become vegetarians or vegans.  A recent poll in Ireland said that 37% of Irish adults are planning to go meatless.

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"We left the cow in the dust"

 

Impossible Foods veggie burgers are selling out.  The company is now hard-pressed to get enough ingredients.  It is running work shifts, around the clock and still can't keep up with demand.  During the recent market downturn, the stocks of another company, Beyond Meat soared.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/impossible-burger-national-launch-gmo-soy-burger-king-2019-5

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The inside story of how Silicon Valley burger startup Impossible Foods is going global after its sizzling Burger King debut

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To prepare for its nationwide launch next week, Impossible Foods had to change the recipe for its "bleeding" veggie burgers.
Courtesy Impossible Foods

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6 hours ago, bludog said:

"We left the cow in the dust"

 

Impossible Foods veggie burgers are selling out.  The company is now hard-pressed to get enough ingredients.  It is running work shifts, around the clock and still can't keep up with demand.  During the recent market downturn, the stocks of another company, Beyond Meat soared.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/impossible-burger-national-launch-gmo-soy-burger-king-2019-5

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I, personally, prefer the Beyond Beef burger. I don't need the fake.bleeding thing.

 

I approve the concept because it is mainly geared toward meat eaters who want to reduce their consumption of meat.

 

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I had my first Impossible Burger at Red Robin, last night.  The wife eschewed it for a chicken wrap.

 

I ordered an Impossible cheese burger. It came in a dark red, aluminum foil wrapper with a little sign, on a stick, that said, all in caps, "IMPOSSIBLE".   The generously large patty had all the fixings and was visually indistinguishable from most meat patties.  The bun was golden tan, slightly glazed and was sprinkled with sesame seeds;  Very attractive.

 

The Big Moment:---  My first bite was a pleasant revelation.  It tasted delicious.  And I could not tell the difference from a regular burger except for how perfect it was.  The texture was just right;  Not too hard or soft;  But tasty;  just the way it should be, IMO.  The Impossible Burger and fries, with nothing else, made a satisfying, stick-to-the-ribs meal.

 

Unfortunately, Red Robin does not show the Impossible Burger on their in-house menu yet.  I only found out about it by reading the news and then going to the Red Robin website.

 

The manager, who I know, came by to ask how I liked it.  The waitress was a different story.  She was a militant carnivore.  "I'll never be satisfied with fake meat", she fiercely said !   She tried, briefly to talk me out of ordering it.  When I did, she seemed to take it as a personal defeat.  She claimed the Impossible Burger tasted completely different from the real thing.   I suspect she is letting prejudice get in the way of perception.

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On 4/24/2019 at 10:01 AM, bludog said:

Looks like veggie burgers are becoming increasingly popular as they get more indistinguishable from the real thing.

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-beyond-meat-ipo-20190423-story.html

Beyond Meat could be valued at up to $1.2 billion in IPO

By Michael Hytha and Lydia Mulvany
| Bloomberg |
Apr 23, 2019 | 4:00 AM
 
 
Beyond Meat could be valued at up to $1.2 billion in IPO
The Beyond Sausage, left, the Beyond Burger 2.0 and the Beyond Breakfast Sausage are some of the products created by Beyond Meat. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)
 

Beyond Meat Inc., the maker of vegan chicken and beef substitutes backed by some of the biggest names in food and technology, is seeking to raise as much as $184 million in its initial public offering.

The El Segundo-based company plans to sell 8.75 million shares for $19 to $21 each, according to a filing Monday with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. A listing at the top of that range would give the company a market value of about $1.2 billion based on the shares to be outstanding after the offer, according to its filing.

The company is one of several makers of plant-based meat substitutes or lab-grown meats that have attracted high-profile backers. Its investors include Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates and actor Leonardo DiCaprio, as well as former McDonald’s Corp. chief executive officer Don Thompson.

Beyond Meat’s biggest stakeholders are venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers LLC, which owns 16% of the company, and Twitter Inc. co-founder Ev William’s Obvious Ventures with 9%, according to its filings.

Tyson Foods Inc., the largest U.S. meat producer, is accelerating development of its own alternative-protein products and is also a backer of Beyond Meat. Tyson has invested in Jerusalem-based Future Meat Technologies and, along with Gates, Richard Branson and Cargill Inc., is an investor in Memphis Meats, a cultured meat producer.

Four-fifths of respondents in a Cargill survey said they were interested in plant-based or alternative sources of protein. More than two-thirds said they intended to maintain or increase their consumption of animal protein in the next year, according to the survey conducted in the U.S., Brazil, the Netherlands and Vietnam and released Monday.

Beyond Meat, founded in 2009 and initially focused on a frozen-chicken substitute, has taken advantage of vegan diet preferences to go more mainstream. Now, it’s best known for the Beyond Burger, which is made to “look, cook and taste like traditional ground beef,” according to its filings.

Its products are sold by grocers such as Kroger and Whole Foods, as well as appearing on restaurant menus for TGI Friday’s and A&W Canada.

The company’s latest filing shows its 2018 loss shrank, while its revenue more than doubled for the second year in a row. Last year, it lost $29.9 million on revenue of $87.9 million compared with a 2017 loss of $30.4 million on revenue of $32.6 million.

 

Went to a sports bar a few weeks ago where they served me a beyond burger - I am already a vegetarian however I really truly thought I had been served an actual meat burger. I really thought the waiter made a mistake. Honestly it would fool anyone. What are there something like 34000 McDonald's fast food restaurants alone? 

 

 

Peace!

 

 

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8 hours ago, TheOldBarn said:

Went to a sports bar a few weeks ago where they served me a beyond burger - I am already a vegetarian however I really truly thought I had been served an actual meat burger. I really thought the waiter made a mistake. Honestly it would fool anyone. What are there something like 34000 McDonald's fast food restaurants alone? 

 

I have a question: does it taste and look like a McDunghill's fast food burger, or does it taste like an upscale burger from a better restaurant?

 

I'm going to eventually try one if these either way, but if it's like a fast food burger I'll be disappointed. Because I never eat those and I only have an upscale burger very occasionally, like 6 tires a year. (But I do eat meat.)

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Dairy’s Steady Decline

According to a Dairy Farmers of America report, milk sales fell $1 billion in 2018 — down to $14 billion from 2017’s $15 billion. The milk industry is still big, but has been on a steady decline since the mid-1970s.

 

U.S. sales of vegan milk, meanwhile, continue to climb, led by almond milk. Vegan milk sales climbed 9 percent in 2017 — representing 15 percent of total fluid milk sales — according to the Plant Based Foods Association.

 

Despite pushback from dairy lobbyists on what can be labeled “milk,” consumers are embracing dairy-free alternatives. New data shows that 75 percent of consumers are in favor of calling vegan milk “milk.” And it’s a popular grocery staple, vegan or not — nearly half of American consumers buy both plant-based and dairy.

 

There are several reasons why more are choosing vegan milk — some choose it for the health benefits while others opt out of cow’s milk over environmental or animal welfare concerns.

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Ok. I'm in an upscale burger place in Montreal called Notre Boeuf de Grace (= Our Beef of Grace, a pub in the Montreal neighborhood where I was a teenager, Notre Dame de Grace, = Our Lady of Grace).

 

I've just ordered a Beyond Meat burger. When I'm done, I'll post my impressions. It's the first veggie burger I've ever had.

 

I'm having a nice UK-size point of beer, which doesn't hurt. ☺️

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I've just ordered a Beyond Meat burger. When I'm done, I'll post my impressions. It's the first veggie burger I've ever had.

 

It cost $30 Canadian = $22.38 US. That includes 15.5% federal and provincial sales tax, and a 20% tip.

 

The side was asparagus fries sliced with sea salt, coriander, and dune other subtle spices I couldn't place. Black pepper, probably. Really good side.

 

The burger was ok. Texture was close, not spot on. Taste wasn't close. If it wasn't for the onion, tomato and lettuce it would not have reminded me of a burger. But it was ok. I might have it again one in five times. Maybe.

 

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14 minutes ago, laripu said:

It cost $30 Canadian = $22.38 US. That includes 15.5% federal and provincial sales tax, and a 20% tip.

 

 Had my second impossible burger today at Red Robin.  Comes with a bottomless side of your choosing.  My wife, Margo, had a chicken wrap.  As usual we paid for the combined food, beverages, tax and tip on one card.  Cost of the veggie burger and endless fries alone, was $10.99. (I could have chosen a more virtuous, side of steamed broccoli but I was really hungry).

 

FROM THE RED ROBIN MENU:

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Comes with Our custom-blended, ancient-grain-and-quinoa veggie patty is piled high with Swiss cheese, lightly fried, Parmesan-sprinkled mushrooms, tomato bruschetta salsa, fresh avocado slices, sun-dried tomato spread and shredded romaine on a whole grain bun. 

I think this is an accurate description but, of course when it comes to food, subjectivity is an ever-present factor.

 

32 minutes ago, laripu said:

Texture was close, not spot on.

 

Good description of the Impossible burger, as well.

 

36 minutes ago, laripu said:

Taste wasn't close. If it wasn't for the onion, tomato and lettuce it would not have reminded me of a burger.

 

It is my perception that the the taste of the Impossible Burger is very close to that of the real thing.  I find it delicious and satisfying.  The Impossible contains a key ingredient which I understand is not present in the Beyond Meat product.
https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/secret-ingredient-impossible-burger

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Red meat gets its color and unique texture from the same heme compound — though Impossible Foods gets its heme from entirely plant-based sources. Heme contains iron, giving meat that distinctive, iron-like taste. It's found in animal blood and muscle — which make up a good portion of the cuts used in ground beef. The heme in muscle is a part of myoglobin (which makes up the "blood" you think is coming from your juicy burger or steak) while the heme in blood exists in hemoglobin. Impossible Foods discovered that a certain plant compound contains heme, as well — leghemoglobin.

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I have yet to try the Beyond Meat version but intend to to do so in the near future.

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