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The repulsive bigots on the NHB...

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What a disgusting haven that board has become for the repulsive racists. 

 

Today, to my deep disappointment,  I discovered even some of the so-called liberals there are also racists. Two posters in particular showed their true colors about how they truly feel about Blacks and Jews... They're anti-Trump but have exposed their stunning bigotry just like the Trumpuppets. What a shame!!

 

You never know anymore i guess.

 

If the NHB was tissue paper, i wouldn' t even wipe my ass with it!!!

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The funny thing is zo9 doesnt like to point out the racism on his side. He is about useless. 

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Many Liberals resent the Conservative Israeli government ...  The repression of Palestinians and tolerance of expansionist homesteading.   And some Liberals mindlessly associate recent Israeli policies with all Jews, everywhere.   Actually, a large percentage of Israelis favor a two state solution;  As do many Jewish people, of other nationalities, worldwide.

 

I am of the opinion that a two state solution is the only way to start healing the open wounds that have festered so long in the region.  But there are large, well organized interest that are against it.  Not just in Israel but in the entire Middle East.

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3 hours ago, ChickenChoker said:

am i allowed to post in here?

 

5 hours ago, ChickenChoker said:

if i go over there and take a shiit...will i be banned from no holds?

 

4 hours ago, teacher said:

No, but you will get the boot from the Liberals Only Room and shall no longer be able to post there and you might get a nice suspension for your troubles. 

 

ChickenChoker:---  Notice your posts are gone.  As you know very well, Conservatives are not allowed to post in LO.  One more post and you will get a cordial suspension for awhile.  Your choice.

 

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3 hours ago, ChickenChoker said:

Maybe these 2 liberals slipped and showed their innate ability, like everyone, to be against certian groups...those that disagree are being totally dishonest

The fact that Zaro and harryramar spouted off anti-Semitic statements reflects their sheer ignorance. They claim to be libs, but are merely small minded bigots.

 

Too bad for them they're so stupid to realize that we agree on much more than we disagree on.

 

I am totally in favor of the two-state solution, but they sound like the government of the Jewish state of Israel represents all world Jewry.

 

They are as dimwitted as Dumb Deranged Donald Trump! LOL!

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On 5/1/2018 at 11:45 PM, MeWiseMagic said:

The fact that Zaro and harryramar spouted off anti-Semitic statements reflects their sheer ignorance. They claim to be libs, but are merely small minded bigots.

 

Too bad for them they're so stupid to realize that we agree on much more than we disagree on.

 

I am totally in favor of the two-state solution, but they sound like the government of the Jewish state of Israel represents all world Jewry.

 

They are as dimwitted as Dumb Deranged Donald Trump! LOL!

 

Jews are squatting on Palestinian land. What's anti Semitic about that?

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11 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

Jews are squatting on Palestinian land. What's anti Semitic about that?

Jewish peoples have been in Judea/Samaria for over 3000 years...

 

How are they squatting?

 

Do you mean the Gaza/West Bank or the entire Jewish State of Israel?

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16 hours ago, MeWiseMagic said:

Jewish peoples have been in Judea/Samaria for over 3000 years...

 

How are they squatting?

 

Do you mean the Gaza/West Bank or the entire Jewish State of Israel?

 

I take it you have the same info as me with regards to illegal settlements. That's how they are squatting.

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17 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

I take it you have the same info as me with regards to illegal settlements. That's how they are squatting.

Thank you. Good enough.

 

So you think the Jewish State of Israel should exist then?

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On 5/1/2018 at 4:29 PM, bludog said:

Many Liberals resent the Conservative Israeli government ...  The repression of Palestinians and tolerance of expansionist homesteading.   And some Liberals mindlessly associate recent Israeli policies with all Jews, everywhere.   Actually, a large percentage of Israelis favor a two state solution;  As do many Jewish people, of other nationalities, worldwide.

 

I am of the opinion that a two state solution is the only way to start healing the open wounds that have festered so long in the region.  But there are large, well organized interest that are against it.  Not just in Israel but in the entire Middle East.

This has been going on for quite sometime. Criticize Israels apartheid treatment of the Palestine and some take offense so much that they call you an anti semite. Criticize your own government here in the US and some call you unpatriotic. Are all Arab people bad, are all Muslims and all Jews and Catholics bad? What about any religion, what about skin color, and so on and so forth. 

 

The truth is people should criticize what is wrong regardless. The truth is people who really do care about human rights should communicate this more. Back home, talk to the police and change laws to help them do their jobs in order to help them help the civilians they are sworn to protect. 

 

But you can't do that in NHB because that's not at all why people hang out there. 

 

And the truth is, we have a president who should be working alongside Sean Hannity on Fox News. 

 

Peace!

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9 hours ago, MeWiseMagic said:

Thank you. Good enough.

 

So you think the Jewish State of Israel should exist then?

 

Let me be clear. I'm anti Zionist. The very creation of Israel was a colonial undertaking. But it is done. The only way a two state solution can work is to go back to the 67 borders, meaning all the squatter settlements would have to be abandoned. 

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55 minutes ago, Zaro said:

 

....meaning all the squatter settlements would have to be abandoned. 

 

Which of course is a non starter. I bet the Jews rather keep the land than get rid of the slur "squatter".

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8 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

Which of course is a non starter. I bet the Jews rather keep the land than get rid of the slur "squatter".

I agree the 'occupied territories' should be left alone by Israel and let them self-govern as the free state of Palestine...

 

Also the Jewish state of Israel has EVERY RIGHT TO EXIST!

 

We will see a two-state solution be resolved in our lifetimes.

 

I'm not a fan of Netanyahu, he needs to go...

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1 hour ago, MeWiseMagic said:

 

 

We will see a two-state solution be resolved in our lifetimes.

 

 

 

No. Take a look at a map of the West Bank or Gaza. Looks worse than Swiss cheese

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14 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

No. Take a look at a map of the West Bank or Gaza. Looks worse than Swiss cheese

It's a tough problem to be resolved.

 

There must be a way let us hope...

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7 hours ago, MeWiseMagic said:

 

It's a tough problem to be resolved.

 

There must be a way let us hope...

 

A one state solution where Jews and Arabs have equal rights

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4 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

A one state solution where Jews and Arabs have equal rights

That would be ideal.  People need to learn to live together in peace.  The violence in the West Bank needs to end.  My heart goes out to both the Israeli and Palestinian people.  

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I'm a Jew (in a tribal sense) but a liberal and an atheist. I'm against Netanyahu and his Likud coalition, and for Labour. The vote there is split similarly to the vote here, meaning that smarter people tend to vote Labour and angry prejudiced people tend to vote for right-wing parties, mostly Likud.

 

Here's my take on the rest.

 

Israel is and has been an independent and democratic state since 1948, when it was recognized by the UN; 70 years. Millions of people have been born and died there and want that to continue, and they will fight for it to continue. So it is a fact. Israel will no more be given back to Arab rule than the United States will be given back to Native American rule. That ship has sailed a long time ago.  Some people say all the Jews should go back to Europe. What about those whose parents and grandparents were born in Israel? (The people who want Jews to go back to Europe never say that all Arab refugees in Europe should go back to Syria or Iraq.)

 

Arabs within Israeli borders can vote and serve in the Knesset (parliament). If they wish to be exempt from military service, the can be exempt.

 

Israel should help the West Bank and Gaza to form a democratic Palestinian state. Stepped military withdrawal ought to be part of that; they should not leave a power vacuum.

 

Palestinian territories should become an independent state. Jerusalem is a sticking point since both sides are emotionally attached to it. It begs for a brilliant political solution. I don't have one.

 

Arabs can live, be citizens, vote and be elected securely in Israel. Jews should also be able to live, be citizens, vote and be elected in the Palestinian state. Nevertheless, the Palestinian state should have an Arab character and Israel should have a Jewish character. (i.e. Language and laws that are acceptable to the respective majority while respecting rights of minorities.  That is already the case within Israel.)

 

One other thing. Suppose the idealistic demands of some are immediately met: total Israeli military withdrawal from Palestinian territories, no security forces at all, and all settlers withdrawn to Israel. What will immediately happen will be that a non-democratic armed militant group will take control of government (as Hamas in Gaza). They will attack Israel. Israel will respond. Many lives will be lost and we will end up with Israel again occupying the Palestinian territories. But many lives will have been lost. So the most idealistic demands will end up causing the greatest suffering and death.

 

Edit to add: neither Jews nor Arabs in that part of the world want "A one state solution where Jews and Arabs have equal rights". They each want a one state solution where they are in control and able to dominate the other group.

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4 hours ago, Zaro said:

 

A one state solution where Jews and Arabs have equal rights

The Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens and have no rights that the Israelis choose to deny them. They are banned from some highways, and are not allowed to build on theior own land without permission.

The problem is that the Arab population has a faster growing population than the Jewish population, and eventually they would outnumber and therefore outvote the Jews and then, Goodbye Jewish State.

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2 hours ago, laripu said:

I'm a Jew (in a tribal sense) but a liberal and an atheist. I'm against Netanyahu and his Likud coalition, and for Labour. The vote there is split similarly to the vote here, meaning that smarter people tend to vote Labour and angry prejudiced people tend to vote for right-wing parties, mostly Likud.

 

Here's my take on the rest.

 

Israel is and has been an independent and democratic state since 1948, when it was recognized by the UN; 70 years. Millions of people have been born and died there and want that to continue, and they will fight for it to continue. So it is a fact. Israel will no more be given back to Arab rule than the United States will be given back to Native American rule. That ship has sailed a long time ago.  Some people say all the Jews should go back to Europe. What about those whose parents and grandparents were born in Israel? (The people who want Jews to go back to Europe never say that all Arab refugees in Europe should go back to Syria or Iraq.)

 

Arabs within Israeli borders can vote and serve in the Knesset (parliament). If they wish to be exempt from military service, the can be exempt.

 

Israel should help the West Bank and Gaza to form a democratic Palestinian state. Stepped military withdrawal ought to be part of that; they should not leave a power vacuum.

 

Palestinian territories should become an independent state. Jerusalem is a sticking point since both sides are emotionally attached to it. It begs for a brilliant political solution. I don't have one.

 

Arabs can live, be citizens, vote and be elected securely in Israel. Jews should also be able to live, be citizens, vote and be elected in the Palestinian state. Nevertheless, the Palestinian state should have an Arab character and Israel should have a Jewish character. (i.e. Language and laws that are acceptable to the respective majority while respecting rights of minorities.  That is already the case within Israel.)

 

One other thing. Suppose the idealistic demands of some are immediately met: total Israeli military withdrawal from Palestinian territories, no security forces at all, and all settlers withdrawn to Israel. What will immediately happen will be that a non-democratic armed militant group will take control of government (as Hamas in Gaza). They will attack Israel. Israel will respond. Many lives will be lost and we will end up with Israel again occupying the Palestinian territories. But many lives will have been lost. So the most idealistic demands will end up causing the greatest suffering and death.

 

Edit to add: neither Jews nor Arabs in that part of the world want "A one state solution where Jews and Arabs have equal rights". They each want a one state solution where they are in control and able to dominate the other group.

 

I think the Jews squandered the opportunity to live peacefully when they decided to occupy and settle land (in violation of international law) after the six day war. 

There is no telling what the situation would look like today if we, the US, had ever been honest in our support. 

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Restoring the Jewish state in the same place it was after a two thousand year absence was lunacy.  But many large-scale things done in the name of religion are.   Now that it's a fait acompli, the various affected groups in the area all seem to be in competition to make the worst of it.  But that had to be obvious to all parties concerned in 1967.

 

In 1967, Western Australia had a population of only several thousands.  What a fabulous state that would have made for the scattered Jewish people of the world.

 

Not very helpful, I know.  But just sayin'.

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9 minutes ago, bludog said:

Restoring the Jewish state in the same place it was after a two thousand year absence was lunacy.  But many large-scale things done in the name of religion are.   Now that it's a fait acompli, the various affected groups in the area all seem to be in competition to make the worst of it.  But that had to be obvious to all parties concerned in 1967.

 

In 1967, Western Australia had a population of only several thousands.  What a fabulous state that would have made for the scattered Jewish people of the world.

 

Not very helpful, I know.  But just sayin'.

 

The great white Hunters thought it best to ease their conscience after their dismal performance during the Holocaust by giving away somebody else's land

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19 minutes ago, Zaro said:

 

The great white Hunters thought it best to ease their conscience after their dismal performance during the Holocaust by giving away somebody else's land

 

Germany got the Marshall Plan and the Palestinians got fugged

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Germany got the Marshall Plan and the Palestinians got fugged

 

When you think about it, the Israelis didn't get such a great deal either.  They are surrounded by hostile, anti-Jewish states with the undying dream of driving them into the sea.

 

If, in the second half of 2018, Israel was to withdraw back to their 1967 borders, give the land back, stop killing Palestinian civilians and adopt a conciliatory policy, instead of a belligerant, arrogant one;    Israel's neighbors would not likely be appeased.  Fifty years of large-scale, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel propaganda has taken it's toll on Mideastern hearts and minds. 

 

In 2005, Israel ended its occupation of Gaza and opened up border crossing to aid commerce.  Palestinians were given 3000 greenhouses to grow fruits, tubers, veggies and such.  Hamas' reaction was to destroy all the greenhouses and build a vast network of tunnels housing thousands of rockets and advanced weapons. 

 

Why do most of the oil-rich Mideast states not help Palestine very much, if at all?  It's because most, cynically, want to keep the unrest alive, callous to the Palestine's plight.  With all it's many flaws and failings, present-day, Conservative-ruled Israel is not entirely to blame. 

 

For better or worse modern Israel is now permanently part of Mideast history.  Looking at the totality, it's hard to be optimistic.

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Jewish people have lived in Judea/Samaria for OVER 3000 years. It IS their homeland despite the very long diaspora. They do belong there. Always have, always will.

 

The Gaza and The West Bank SHOULD be made a free autonomous state for the Palestinian peoples.

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