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8 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Which is nonsense because they would have admit the obvious: Easy access to guns has risks to the public.  

 

No, had the CDC been capable of research without gun control advocacy, we might know exactly why homicide has fallen over 50% since the mid 90's.

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11 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

In Japan, guns are effectively banned.

In Japan, ZERO children are killed by guns in a typical year.

 

In Nigeria, guns are effectively banned.

 

Care to guess how many children in Nigeria die each year as a result of firearms?

 

You REALLY need to fire  your handlers, because the information they are feeding you is not doing your side any favors.

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1 minute ago, Jeerleader said:

 

No, had the CDC been capable of research without gun control advocacy, we might know exactly why homicide has fallen over 50% since the mid 90's.

But guns are very much a part of the equation.   This is the worst kind of cherry picking research.  

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3 minutes ago, Duck615 said:

LMFAO

Prove that statement...

Sorry you want to trample on someone's 2nd Amendment RIghts....

What's next?

Maybe it is time we start to trample on your 1st Amendment RIghts

 

 Hawaii has fewer guns per capita.

It is very hard to import a gun into Hawaii, as it is an island.

Hawaii is 49th in gun deaths in the USA.

 

If you want to own a gun, you should be an active member of a "well-organized militia".

 

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2 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

I provide links.  I would hope you could too.  I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.  In fact, I truly benefit from it.  

 

Links to unrelated BS are not discussion.  Plain English language here . . .  you say database and shift it to universal checks

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1 minute ago, Jeerleader said:

 

Links to unrelated BS are not discussion.  Plain English language here . . .  you say database and shift it to universal checks

Don't see a difference.  Database = Universal Checks.

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Just now, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

But guns are very much a part of the equation.   This is the worst kind of cherry picking research.  

 

LOL. It's clear you have nothing but anti-gun dogma to preach . . .   So much for your OP and it's appeal to higher thought.

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Just now, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Don't see a difference.  Database = Universal Checks.

 

Well, that explains a lot.

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Just now, Jeerleader said:

 

LOL. It's clear you have nothing but anti-gun dogma to preach . . .   So much for your OP and it's appeal to higher thought.

I see.  So we should pretend that guns are not a part of gun violence?    

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1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

It is up for interpretation.  The entire constitution is up for interpretation. 

 

When the  interpretation restricts rights, the interpretation is wrong

 

1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

The supreme court has ruled that even the 1st Amendment has restrictions.

 

Yes, you can't  yell FIRE in a  theater because it will cause panic.     

 

 

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1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

It is up for interpretation.  The entire constitution is up for interpretation. 

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution?

2. What is your argument and ultimate goal?

 

 

1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

The supreme court has ruled that even the 1st Amendment has restrictions.

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

2. Is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater Political Free Speech?

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5 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

2. What is your argument and ultimate goal?

 

My goal is simple.  reduce and/or stop the collection of mass shootings.  And one of those steps is acknowledging that guns are cheap and plentiful.

I am confident that gun bans would never work.  But neither will the culture of all guns for all people all the time.  

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23 minutes ago, Jeerleader said:

 

LOL. It's clear you have nothing but anti-gun dogma to preach . . .   So much for your OP and it's appeal to higher thought.

So I did some research on the NICS.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/nra-chiefs-bogus-background-check-claims/

 

“As the NRA began to understand that we were building substantial momentum and would likely succeed, they hedged their bet by cynically introducing the instant check system knowing it wouldn’t work because the technology wasn’t available,” Aborn told us. “Notwithstanding having introduced the idea, they still continued to oppose Brady with all the resources they could muster, but they ultimately failed to stop us.”

Even after the law was passed, the NRA continued its opposition to aspects of the new background check system.

On the day that NICS went operational on Nov. 30, 1998, the NRA filed a lawsuit claiming that the rules allowing the FBI to maintain an “audit log” of gun purchases for up to six months (later reduced by the Department of Justice to 90 days) amounted to a firearm registry. The NRA suit was dismissed, but federal law every year since fiscal year 2004requires the FBI to destroy firearm transfer records within 24 hours of approval.  

As we have written before, a weapons sale can be approved in less than an hour using NICS if a background search turns up no evidence that the applicant is prohibited from owning a gun. If the name of the applicant matches any of those in a variety of databases, including criminal and civil court records, then the gun purchase can be delayed for further review, but only up to 72 hours.

The NRA has successfully lobbied over the years to limit the background checks to licensed firearm dealers — excluding private sales, such as some purchases made at gun shows or over the internet, for example.

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4 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

My goal is simple.  reduce and/or stop the collection of mass shootings.  And one of those steps is acknowledging that guns are cheap and plentiful.

I am confident that gun bans would never work.  But neither will the culture of all guns for all people all the time.  

 

You passed up three of the four questions.

 

They are all important.

 

1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

It is up for interpretation.  The entire constitution is up for interpretation. 

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution?

2. What is your argument and ultimate goal?

 

 

1 hour ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

The supreme court has ruled that even the 1st Amendment has restrictions.

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

2. Is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater Political Free Speech?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

You passed up three of the four questions.

 

They are all important.

 

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution?

2. What is your argument and ultimate goal?

 

 

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

2. Is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater Political Free Speech?

 

 

I answered the one question I thought relevant.  

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3 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

I answered the one question I thought relevant.  

 

So TBGS, why did you ignore what I noted about "militia" and "regulated militia"? 

 

You said you wanted to have a "serious discussion".

 

Apparently not.  B)

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47 minutes ago, BIGTEX said:

In Nigeria, guns are effectively banned.

 

Care to guess how many children in Nigeria die each year as a result of firearms?

 

You REALLY need to fire  your handlers, because the information they are feeding you is not doing your side any favors.

Japan is an island with little or no corruption. The Japanese enforce their laws and obey them. There is so little crime in Japan, the police are bored stiff. Almost no one owns a gun, and those that do are registered and charged large annual fees.

 

Nigeria inherited its gun ban from the British colonial government and is among the most corrupt countries on the planet. You would have to guess about gun deaths in Nigeria, because the Nigerian government is incompetent to keep statistics.

 

Nigeria is not exemplary of anything.

 

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36 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

1. What is the express purpose of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution?s c

The maintenance of a well-organized militia for national defense. It says so right in the Amendment.

Of course, when the Bill of  Rights was implemented (not by a vote of the people, by the way), it is clear that the Federal government had no way of confiscating anyone's guns. The British tried to d this, failed to do it well enough to prevent the success of the Revolution (with help from the French Navy), and it pissed everyone off.

Those are the  philosophical and pragmatic reason for the second amendment.

The Supreme Court has chosen to misinterpret the words, quite obviously.

 2. What is your argument and ultimate goal?

My goal would be to diminish the number of my fellow Americans who die from guns.

1. What is the express purpose of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

To allow the free circulation of ideas among the citizens, of course.

2. Is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater Political Free Speech?

No, yelling FIRE! is not a political statement. In addition, it would cause panic and unnecessary injury to life and limb and should therefore not be permitted.

 

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30 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

I answered the one question I thought relevant.  

 

That is why you don't understand.

 

...you just "want".

 

So do my kids.

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3 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

That is why you don't understand.

 

...you just "want".

 

So do my kids.

What I want is for us to solve the problem about these mass shootings.   The NRA does merit criticism in this problem.  

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Well, I answered them all, and quite thoroughly.

Odds are your kids will get what they want from you, being as you are not immortal.

This is true for everyone.

You cannot take it with you.

And, you won't.

You COULD donate it to the Klan, the NRA or  Trump's defense fund.

Buy 10,000 MAGA hats and see how many people will actually wear the cursed things.

 

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