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8 hours ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

I'm a Fascist.

 

BD, I have you on ignore.  You had your chance but you blew it.  

 

You seem to have confused me with someone who gives a sh!t what you do, Fascist nitwit.

 

 

I'm just having a serious discussion about gun violence... without you... thanks to your infantile Socialist malcontent censorship.

 

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1 minute ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Did you read what I posted or did you just react to my title?  I'm guessing the latter since that's your style.  

 

Obfuscation - from the Fascist nitwit.

 

What a surprise.

 

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4 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Did you read what I posted or did you just react to my title?  I'm guessing the latter since that's your style.  

I read what you posted.

 

Did you ever read why we use the electoral college?

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13 minutes ago, personreal said:

I read what you posted.

 

Did you ever read why we use the electoral college?

 

The Electoral College is Illegitimate.

 

No, wait...

 

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1 minute ago, Blue Devil said:

 

The Electoral College is Illegitimate.

 

No, wait...

 

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Then review what's happening in those blue urban centers...then people will have a good idea why we use the electoral college.

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When a Fascist Democrat National Socialist malcontent meets an American:

 

 

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3 minutes ago, personreal said:

 

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Then review what's happening in those blue urban centers...then people will have a good idea why we use the electoral college.

 

 

What Cancer looks like:

 

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20 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Pretty much it.   

 

Much of our mental health issues in this country go back to values. If your values such as placing money first and not having the talent, education and skills to attain it? You're going to be depressed.....Next is poor coping skills. People get depressed and deal with it through drinking or drugging, eating too much, not enough. Now we have physical health deteriorating along with mental health. And on and on.....

 

What happened in out country is we no longer have parents passing along solid values and morals onto their children. Hell, 70+% of black mothers are single for example. 

 

Children need parents in their life to teach them. The government can't do it, schools can't do it....

 

So what have we literally destroyed over the last 30-40 years? The family unit. The way society used to transmit values from one generation to the next. 

 

I'm not surprised by mentally deranged mass shootings. I EXPECT them. It's what happens in a mentally ill society. 

 

In many ways, mental health is more important than physical health as you need good mental health to stay physically fit.... 

 

But where is the value in good, healthy coping skills? Healthy lifestyle like no smoking or illicit drugs, alcohol use in moderation? Nutritious food? Exercise? 

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Gun Violence...?

 

The AR-15: Americans' Best Defense Against Terror and Crime

 

...You bet your ass, Fascist nitwit.

 

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4 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

Gun Violence...?

 

The AR-15: Americans' Best Defense Against Terror and Crime

 

...You bet your ass, Fascist nitwit.

 

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1 hour ago, DeepBreath said:

 

Much of our mental health issues in this country go back to values. If your values such as placing money first and not having the talent, education and skills to attain it? You're going to be depressed.....Next is poor coping skills. People get depressed and deal with it through drinking or drugging, eating too much, not enough. Now we have physical health deteriorating along with mental health. And on and on.....

 

What happened in out country is we no longer have parents passing along solid values and morals onto their children. Hell, 70+% of black mothers are single for example. 

 

Children need parents in their life to teach them. The government can't do it, schools can't do it....

 

So what have we literally destroyed over the last 30-40 years? The family unit. The way society used to transmit values from one generation to the next. 

 

I'm not surprised by mentally deranged mass shootings. I EXPECT them. It's what happens in a mentally ill society. 

 

In many ways, mental health is more important than physical health as you need good mental health to stay physically fit.... 

 

But where is the value in good, healthy coping skills? Healthy lifestyle like no smoking or illicit drugs, alcohol use in moderation? Nutritious food? Exercise? 

I would agree, But Mental Health is considered a luxury these days.  

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2 hours ago, personreal said:

I read what you posted.

 

 

In this thread, I've tried to keep it civil.  If you want to discuss gun violence,, Fine.  Otherwise, Please don't bother me in this thread. :)

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10 minutes ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

I would agree, But Mental Health is considered a luxury these days.  

Well, the misconception about mental health and physical health is you need healthcare.....Healthcare is designed for people who are already sick, diseased...

 

Both are easily attainable without using any actual healthcare professionals. 

 

If we placed a much higher value on health, it would decrease demand which in turn would free up supply and lower prices. 

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11 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

Well, the misconception about mental health and physical health is you need healthcare.....Healthcare is designed for people who are already sick, diseased...

 

Both are easily attainable without using any actual healthcare professionals. 

 

If we placed a much higher value on health, it would decrease demand which in turn would free up supply and lower prices. 

 

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Gun Violence...?

 

 

...You bet your ass, Fascist nitwit.

 

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The issue at the core of the debate about so-called "gun control" isn't guns.  It's self-responsibility.

 

Our Founders believed people had the right to take responsibility for themselves.  They believed they had an inalienable right of self-defense, and the right to bear arms was meant to testify to that.  The right to bear arms was not "granted" by the Constitution; it was pre-existing and in no way dependent upon the Constitution for its existence.

 

Gun control strips people of their ability to take responsibility for themselves.  If we have a right to life, then we have a right to defend that life, and we also have the right to possess the most effective tools with which to conduct that defense.

 

When one uses the term "well regulated" in the martial context it does NOT mean "government controlled."  If a rifle hits to point of aim when fired then its sights are considered "well regulated."  The term means "properly equipped and functioning as expected."  I am well trained, well disciplined, and well-armed.  Ergo, I am "well regulated" as an American citizen.

 

People need to learn how to take responsibility for themselves again, and relearn how to be strong, free citizens.

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19 minutes ago, Spartan said:

The issue at the core of the debate about so-called "gun control" isn't guns.  It's self-responsibility.

 

Our Founders believed people had the right to take responsibility for themselves.  They believed they had an inalienable right of self-defense, and the right to bear arms was meant to testify to that.  The right to bear arms was not "granted" by the Constitution; it was pre-existing and in no way dependent upon the Constitution for its existence.

 

Gun control strips people of their ability to take responsibility for themselves.  If we have a right to life, then we have a right to defend that life, and we also have the right to possess the most effective tools with which to conduct that defense.

 

When one uses the term "well regulated" in the martial context it does NOT mean "government controlled."  If a rifle hits to point of aim when fired then its sights are considered "well regulated."  The term means "properly equipped and functioning as expected."  I am well trained, well disciplined, and well-armed.  Ergo, I am "well regulated" as an American citizen.

 

People need to learn how to take responsibility for themselves again, and relearn how to be strong, free citizens.

 

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-Ass-douche Self-entitled Adolescent Socialist malcontents -

...can never Honestly Respond to this Simple Question:

 

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Whereas a true American...?

 

 

 

- AMERICA -

 

You have the Unalienable Right to Fail,

...and Start Anew.

 

You have the Unalienable Right to Starve to Death,

...if you don't Freeze to Death in Winter first,

...if that is Your Free Will,

...and the Product of Your Labor.

 

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On 9/27/2018 at 11:42 PM, Spartan said:

The issue at the core of the debate about so-called "gun control" isn't guns.  It's self-responsibility.

 

Our Founders believed people had the right to take responsibility for themselves.  They believed they had an inalienable right of self-defense, and the right to bear arms was meant to testify to that.  The right to bear arms was not "granted" by the Constitution; it was pre-existing and in no way dependent upon the Constitution for its existence.

 

Gun control strips people of their ability to take responsibility for themselves.  If we have a right to life, then we have a right to defend that life, and we also have the right to possess the most effective tools with which to conduct that defense.

 

When one uses the term "well regulated" in the martial context it does NOT mean "government controlled."  If a rifle hits to point of aim when fired then its sights are considered "well regulated."  The term means "properly equipped and functioning as expected."  I am well trained, well disciplined, and well-armed.  Ergo, I am "well regulated" as an American citizen.

 

People need to learn how to take responsibility for themselves again, and relearn how to be strong, free citizens.

That's all fine but guns have proven to have enormous potential for abuse.  The responsible adult gun owners aren't the problem.  It's the Stephen Paddocks of the world.  

 

Thank you for your polite response to my thread.

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4 hours ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

Thank you for your polite response to my thread.

 

You're welcome!  Thank you for your efforts to at least try and create opportunities for honest, civil give and take!

 

4 hours ago, TrumpBGoneSoon said:

That's all fine but guns have proven to have enormous potential for abuse.  The responsible adult gun owners aren't the problem.  It's the Stephen Paddocks of the world.  

 

The Stephen Paddocks of the world are horrifying anomalies; they do not define the majority.  Their actions appall us and disgust us, but such people have existed since the dawn of humanity.  Let's not forget that while the Las Vegas shooting killed around 50 people; the Happy Land massacre of 1990 killed 87 people, all killed not with guns but with gasoline and a match. 

 

It's easy to blame the implement.  Yes, guns do have enormous potential for abuse; but there are ways to address that that do not attack the rights of the responsible gun owners.  Like it or not we DO have a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to be armed, which means that the risk of abuse is increased; but I find living in a free society worth the risk.  I know, especially as a former law enforcement officer, that our protections of civil rights means that many violent criminals escape consequences for their crimes and are free to commit more; but as Benjamin Franklin once wrote: "That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer."  Many violent individuals are free today because of our system, but again I find that risk worthwhile.

 

When it comes to firearms, most regulations proposed by gun control advocates do not bring benefits sufficient to counter the damage done to our individual rights and liberty they would certainly create.

 

So, the question is: what do we do about it?  

 

It has long been my belief that we need to return Civics as a class to our public schooling curriculum.  Too many Americans are ignorant about the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.  How do we protect our rights when our citizenry doesn't understand what they are??  Personally, I feel that basic firearms safety and martial riflery should be part of the high school curriculum; that way everyone understands firearms safety, handling, and the reasons for why such is important.  Disband the National Guard and restore a true militia system that everyone spends time serving in; conscientious objectors could serve in roles like medicine or support staff.  Let all citizens be personally invested in serving their communities; once they complete their service - after, say, two years? - they would be vetted, trained, and equipped to own whatever small arms they wish.  Make sure they have access to supplemental training and facilities to practice and maintain proficiency.

 

We would end up with a stronger, more disciplined citizenry, and one that is far safer and more self-reliant than what we have become.

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2 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

You're welcome!  Thank you for your efforts to at least try and create opportunities for honest, civil give and take!

 

 

The Stephen Paddocks of the world are horrifying anomalies; they do not define the majority.  Their actions appall us and disgust us, but such people have existed since the dawn of humanity.  Let's not forget that while the Las Vegas shooting killed around 50 people; the Happy Land massacre of 1990 killed 87 people, all killed not with guns but with gasoline and a match. 

 

It's easy to blame the implement.  Yes, guns do have enormous potential for abuse; but there are ways to address that that do not attack the rights of the responsible gun owners.  Like it or not we DO have a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to be armed, which means that the risk of abuse is increased; but I find living in a free society worth the risk.  I know, especially as a former law enforcement officer, that our protections of civil rights means that many violent criminals escape consequences for their crimes and are free to commit more; but as Benjamin Franklin once wrote: "That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer."  Many violent individuals are free today because of our system, but again I find that risk worthwhile.

 

When it comes to firearms, most regulations proposed by gun control advocates do not bring benefits sufficient to counter the damage done to our individual rights and liberty they would certainly create.

 

So, the question is: what do we do about it?  

 

It has long been my belief that we need to return Civics as a class to our public schooling curriculum.  Too many Americans are ignorant about the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.  How do we protect our rights when our citizenry doesn't understand what they are??  Personally, I feel that basic firearms safety and martial riflery should be part of the high school curriculum; that way everyone understands firearms safety, handling, and the reasons for why such is important.  Disband the National Guard and restore a true militia system that everyone spends time serving in; conscientious objectors could serve in roles like medicine or support staff.  Let all citizens be personally invested in serving their communities; once they complete their service - after, say, two years? - they would be vetted, trained, and equipped to own whatever small arms they wish.  Make sure they have access to supplemental training and facilities to practice and maintain proficiency.

 

We would end up with a stronger, more disciplined citizenry, and one that is far safer and more self-reliant than what we have become.

Did you ever have sex with an animal?

 

I tried to f*** the cat once when I was a kid Home Alone sick

 

Then again I grew up in Montgomery County

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Five By Five said:

Did you ever have sex with an animal?

 

I tried to f*** the cat once when I was a kid Home Alone sick

 

Sorry, but if you have nothing of substance to offer I've got nothing to say to you.  Take your childishness somewhere else.

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