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6 minutes ago, stephenmerkley said:

When Steele did his dirty work, Trump was not the president yet.   He was trying to be president and Steele created a dossier that he thought would meddle in his chances to be the president.  But if that didn't work, he had a second plan to continue to meddle until he was impeached. 

 

 

So?  What's illegal in that?  Digging dirt on someone like Trump and passing it off the press, or even the FBI, isn't illegal, even if it might affect the outcome of an election.  I could have done the same thing and it would have been perfectly legal.  Had I paid a mil for some porn star to tell her story about Trump and his tighty whities on Meet the Press, perfectly legal even if that ended his chances to win.

 

There's no crime here.  The Russians hacking the DNC or voting machines, that's a crime.

 

 

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1 minute ago, stephenmerkley said:

She did many things wrong, your head is just in a hole.   

 

She did not win but Trump was appointed.  That is not how the US elects its leaders.  So get over it, your qualified looney lost fair and square.  In fact she lost even though she had everything going her way except Fox News.  She had all the other media, the fbi and the Obama popular wh, the doj, Steele and the Russians all helping her to win so they could hide their crimes, and she still lost.  Like I said, the only way I can figure it, is God stopped Hillarity with Trump.

 

Russia helped Trump win, not Clinton.  That is what should keep you up at night.

 

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5 minutes ago, Harryhands said:

 

So?  What's illegal in that?  Digging dirt on someone like Trump and passing it off the press, or even the FBI, isn't illegal, even if it might affect the outcome of an election.  I could have done the same thing and it would have been perfectly legal.  Had I paid a mil for some porn star to tell her story about Trump and his tighty whities on Meet the Press, perfectly legal even if that ended his chances to win.

 

There's no crime here.  The Russians hacking the DNC or voting machines, that's a crime.

 

 

If you paid millions and it was true is one thing.  If you paid millions to a foreign enemy government and it was not true, that is another thing.  You would want to hussle down to S. America to get away from the US authorities for doing that.

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5 minutes ago, Harryhands said:

 

Russia helped Trump win, not Clinton.  That is what should keep you up at night.

 

There are 2 things that helped Trump.  the dnc hacking and the social media stuff on facebook.

 

There is 1 thing that helped Hillarious.  the dossier produced by Putin and handed to steele.

 

Which one would you take if you could only take 1 of the 3?

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1 minute ago, stephenmerkley said:

If you paid millions and it was true is one thing.  If you paid millions to a foreign enemy government and it was not true, that is another thing.  You would want to hussle down to S. America to get away from the US authorities for doing that.

 

1. He's in the UK and a citizen of the UK.

2. What he found out he believed to be true.  The FBI it seems agreed.

3. He passed that on to both the FBI and the press.

4. He hates Trump and there is nothing illegal in that or in 1 - 3.

 

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1 minute ago, stephenmerkley said:

There are 2 things that helped Trump.  the dnc hacking and the social media stuff on facebook.

 

There is 1 thing that helped Hillarious.  the dossier produced by Putin and handed to steele.

 

Which one would you take if you could only take 1 of the 3?

 

I'd like an election in which the We the People actually have a vote.

 

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36 minutes ago, Harryhands said:

 

1. He's in the UK and a citizen of the UK.

2. What he found out he believed to be true.  The FBI it seems agreed.

3. He passed that on to both the FBI and the press.

4. He hates Trump and there is nothing illegal in that or in 1 - 3.

 

What he found out he knew was untrue or he would have gotten the hard copy of everything, but he didn't.  He didn't even get the pee tapes.   How stupid did you have to be to pay millions just for words, when the tape would have grounded everything in perfect harmony.  Why did this professional spy not get the tape,  because they don't exist.  So he knew that but his hate for Trump overloaded his sense of right and wrong and he submitted it with no verification.  Gee, what a hero.

 

The fbi doesn't seem to agree.  They want to agree in the worst way and then they could get rid of their nightmare.  But it is not true and it will come back to haunt them, and they know it.  

 

Again, if he were here and it was proven that the dossier is not true, he would go to jail.  Congress has now issued a criminal referral to the doj on Steele, who they say lied to the fbi, because his public testimony in a British case found some inconsistencies that congress wants to follow up on.   If they reveal that Steele has told the fbi false information, he will be in trouble and could be extradiited from Britain and sent to jail in an American jail.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Harryhands said:

 

I do, that's why I want to change them.  They are undemocratic and wrong.

Most states are like this:  The person that wins the majority of the votes in that state, wins all of the electoral votes for that state.  So per state, 1 man, 1 vote.  Winner takes all.   Trump won the majority of votes in 31 states and got their electoral votes.   Hillarious won the majority of votes in 19 states and got all of their electoral votes.  So your 1 man, 1 vote means something.  As you can see, if Hillariry had won the majority of votes in 3 more states, she would have been the president, not Trump.  

 

It is just not wrong, it is genius.  Remember the dems have a 104 - 0 advantage before the counting even starts.  So if there is something wrong it is that.

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1 minute ago, stephenmerkley said:

Most states are like this:  The person that wins the majority of the votes in that state, wins all of the electoral votes for that state.  So per state, 1 man, 1 vote.  Winner takes all.   Trump won the majority of votes in 31 states and got their electoral votes.   Hillarious won the majority of votes in 19 states and go all of their electoral votes.  So your 1 man, 1 vote means something.  As you can see, if Hillariry had won the majority of votes in 3 more states, she would have been the president, not Trump.  

 

It is just not wrong, it is genius.  Remember the dems have a 104 - 0 advantage before the counting even starts.  So if there is something wrong it is that.

We the People, not We the States.

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15 minutes ago, stephenmerkley said:

 

Again, if he were here and it was proven that the dossier is not true, he would go to jail. 

 

No.

 

If I say, as a private citizen, Trump has a raped two schoolgirls and I even put up a website and go on TV to say that, have I broken any laws?  No.

 

If I'm a reporter and based on the reports of two dozen schoolgirls I publish that believing it's true, have I broken any laws?  No.

 

If I'm a reporter and I intentionally lie about Trump, now I've broken the law.  If I lie to the FBI, I've broken the law.  But if I say, even to a court of law, that's the guy who did ____ and I truly believe that, even though that might be entirely untrue I still haven't broken the law.

 

I can even say, in court and I know it's a lie, that it was raining but it was actually a bright sunny day I still haven't broken the law, if that fact doesn't matter a damn to the case.

 

Trump is a Public Figure.  Steele can pretty much say anything to anyone about him and not break the law, truthful or not.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, stephenmerkley said:

I am going to spell this out for you s l o w l y:

 

Steele   is   a   foreign   spy   chief   who   was  paid   by   Hillarious   and   others   to   create   a   dossier   that   would   damage   Trump   so   bad   that   he   would  

not   be   able   to   win   the   2016   election.   That   is   called   meddling   wtih   the   2016   election.   Steele    has   a   lot   of   conections   in   Russia   and   got   our    Russia    enemies   to   put    this   dossier   together.    So   now    you   have   Steele   who   hates    Trump,   and   Russia    who   hates   America,   joining   together   to   produce   a   document    that   will   help    hillarious   win   the   2016   election.   Again    that    is    called    meddling   by   a   foriegn    enemy   into   the   elections   of   2016.   

 

If you need more info, let me know.

Yes if I need more facts I shall come running to you

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3 hours ago, stephenmerkley said:

If you paid millions and it was true is one thing.  If you paid millions to a foreign enemy government and it was not true, that is another thing.  You would want to hussle down to S. America to get away from the US authorities for doing that.

This has little do with Trump paying millions. Let me break it down for you.

 

1. Being an accomplice to directly or indirectly influence a federal election by a foreigner. A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election is a crime, and if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it is a crime.

 

2.Under that statute, it is a federal crime to conspire with anyone, including a foreign government, to ‘deprive another of the intangible right of honest services,’ that would include fixing a fraudulent election, within the plain meaning of the statute.  2 USCS § 441h

 

3.Collusion in a federal election with a foreign entity falls under other crimes, such as public corruption.

 

4.There is also a general anti-coercion federal election law. 18 U.S. Code § 610 - Coercion of political activity

 

Basically, Tramp asked Russia to find the missing emails twice. Russia, according to the FBI, violated laws to expose Hillary, thus making Tramp an accomplice to a crime.

 

 A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election is a crime, and a U.S. citizen who coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then that is a crime.

 

 

Then we move onto Obstruction of Justice,  intimidation, and corruption.

 

Obstruction of justice is a federal crime in which someone "corruptly" attempts to “influence, obstruct or impede” the “due and proper administration of the law” in a pending proceeding, as stated in 18 U.S.Code § 1505.

 

“Corruptly” is defined in an accompanying section, 18 U.S.Code § 1515 (b), as “acting with an improper purpose, personally or by influencing another, including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information."

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19 hours ago, shintao said:

silly. You are the one that originally set the perimeters of this point that led to my statement, " Of course...it is impossible to prove something DIDN'T happen. "  The point you are obviously missing is that the GOP's problem is that they are making assertions that something didn't happen. That requires proof in itself. Where is their  proof? You say the GOP cannot prove it did not happen. We agree.

 

 

Hey you idiot...that is my point. 

 

Unsubstantiated allegations were made.  The response was "It didn't happen" and snowflakes are saying "Where is the proof it didn't happen?"  It is impossible to prove something didn't happen.  The burden of proof is on the person MAKING the accusations.  They say it DID happen.  It they know it happened, show us the evidence/proof.

 

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23 hours ago, stephenmerkley said:

Do you mean tax cut law:  Are you against keeping more of your hard earned money rather than sending it to the black money hole called US  Government?  Glad you do, so refuse to take any cuts in taxes and send all you can to the IRS.  That will solve your problem.

 

The wall:  Great idea to protect America from invasion of other nations.  Other nations and people who do not share our values and our idea of representative Government.  They have all grown up in banana republics, and do not know the rule of law.

 

Expanding the military.  Do you know how dangerous the world is right now.  Apparently not.  If you don't have a stong commander and chief, America could continue to decline and a foreign country(s) could attack us and win.  Through 8 years of obama, the military was reduced to near depletion and bordered on a 2nd tier force.

He wanted and the dems want this whole country to be a banana republic and a 3rd world country and they almost did it.  

 

Trump saved us from that reality, which you would not have liked, but woke up too late to stop it.

I'm for the wealthy paying MORE taxes.  I'm against a 'melting pot' nation putting up walls.  The military is a bottomless pit of corruption. 

 

Trump = trash.

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Republicans keep trying to squeeze Steele into a role they think will neutralize him: the grubby Washington political operative, the kale-eating liberal hypocrite. Fox News, citing the Nunes memo, called Steele “more blabbermouth than Bond” and “the spy who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.” The criminal referral, from Republican Sens. Charles Grassley of Iowa and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, claimed that Clinton associates were “feeding him” information when he was compiling his memo.

But they struggle to make the characterization stick — probably because their version of reality is so at odds with everything we know about Steele’s life and career. We know that he spent two decades as an officer in Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, sometimes known as “MI6”), where he enjoyed the highest esteem from his bosses as well as his counterparts in the U.S. intelligence community.

We know that he spent long stints in Russia, where he built up his knowledge of the country and language and cultivated a wide-ranging network of contacts. At one point he ran the SIS Russia Desk.

And we know that one of his SIS jobs included working in Afghanistan with British and U.S. special forces who were hunting down terrorists. This is a man who put his own life on the line for the sake of his country’s close alliance with the United States — a man who, in July and October 2016, correspondingly saw it as a matter of duty to approach old colleagues in the FBI when he realized he had stumbled onto a breathtaking threat to U.S. national security.

That the Republicans are so determined to destroy Steele’s reputation certainly isn’t making life easier for him. Happily, he doesn’t have to do much to prevail against them. He merely has to endure. The truth will find a way. The members of Trump’s party who are smart enough to understand this must be terrified.

http://www.omaha.com/opinion/christian-caryl-steele-still-haunting-republicans/article_a8f708ac-417c-5efd-bfde-667027cdeb39.html

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19 hours ago, shintao said:

This has little do with Trump paying millions. Let me break it down for you.

 

1. Being an accomplice to directly or indirectly influence a federal election by a foreigner. A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election is a crime, and if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it is a crime.

 

2.Under that statute, it is a federal crime to conspire with anyone, including a foreign government, to ‘deprive another of the intangible right of honest services,’ that would include fixing a fraudulent election, within the plain meaning of the statute.  2 USCS § 441h

 

3.Collusion in a federal election with a foreign entity falls under other crimes, such as public corruption.

 

4.There is also a general anti-coercion federal election law. 18 U.S. Code § 610 - Coercion of political activity

 

Basically, Tramp asked Russia to find the missing emails twice. Russia, according to the FBI, violated laws to expose Hillary, thus making Tramp an accomplice to a crime.

 

 A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election is a crime, and a U.S. citizen who coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then that is a crime.

 

 

Then we move onto Obstruction of Justice,  intimidation, and corruption.

 

Obstruction of justice is a federal crime in which someone "corruptly" attempts to “influence, obstruct or impede” the “due and proper administration of the law” in a pending proceeding, as stated in 18 U.S.Code § 1505.

 

“Corruptly” is defined in an accompanying section, 18 U.S.Code § 1515 (b), as “acting with an improper purpose, personally or by influencing another, including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information."

And were does Hillarious spending millions of dollars for the Russian and English dossier to crush Trump line up in that list of crimes?

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