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Chuck Schumer is taking his big spending boost for Donald Trump’s border wall off the table.

 

The Senate minority leader, through an aide, informed the White House on Monday that he was retracting the offer he made last week to give Trump well north of the $1.6 billion in wall funding Trump had asked for this year, according to two Democrats. And now they say Trump will simply not get a better deal than that on his signature campaign promise.

 

Schumer “took it off,” said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat. “He called the White House yesterday and said it’s over.”

 

In the now-famous cheeseburger summit last Friday with Trump, Schumer offered a large increase in border wall spending as a condition for a broader deal to help Dreamers. But after that offer was rebuffed — prompting the three-day government shutdown — the president has now “missed an opportunity to get the wall,” one Democratic aide said.

 

Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, said Tuesday that the Schumer offer “never existed.”

 

“You can't rescind money you never really offered in the first place,” he said on Fox News.

 

Some key Republicans — including Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a key GOP immigration negotiator — had already considered using the promise of border wall funding totaling more than $1.6 billion to lure more conservative votes. A Dreamer plan written by a bipartisan group of six senators, including Flake, had included Trump’s $1.6 billion request as part of a broader, $2.7 billion border security package.

 

“Sen. Schumer’s already indicated that he would go for more. Republicans will go for more,” Flake said. “It’s just how much more we can get from the Democrats.”

 

Republicans aligned with Trump are unlikely to go for any bill that does not offer a major boost in border wall funding, given the president’s strong feelings about the issue.

 

Moreover, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) said he was skeptical of Schumer’s recollection of the meeting and the border wall offer anyway. :lol: ( Yeah, this guy is skeptical of anyone's recollection in a meeting )

 

“They claim that some crazy deal was made,” Cotton said of Democrats. “And then when we say no deal was made, they accuse Republicans and the president of reneging.”

 

But providing border wall money could also push away more liberal Democrats, who prefer to completely restart negotiations rather than start from any existing bill, even a bipartisan one like the proposal written by Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

 

“Discussions were had coming up to Friday night are interesting for context,” said Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii). But now, he said, “we start from a blank sheet of paper.”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/chuck-schumer-trump-wall-offer-359156

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Good.  Trump has repeatedly said he would not sign any legislation that contained anything related to DACA or the "dreamers" that did not also contain funding for a wall on the southern border.  Scumer just made it easier for McConnell to make a "bipartisan solution" on immigration impossible.  If there is no "bipartisan solution", he can refuse to let the measure come up for a vote without breaking his promise.

 

Scumer really is an idiot.  First he caves without getting anything, then he hands McConnell an easy out.

 

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5 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

Good.  Trump has repeatedly said he would not sign any legislation that contained anything related to DACA or the "dreamers" that did not also contain funding for a wall on the southern border.  Scumer just made it easier for McConnell to make a "bipartisan solution" on immigration impossible.  If there is no "bipartisan solution", he can refuse to let the measure come up for a vote without breaking his promise.

 

Scumer really is an idiot.  First he caves without getting anything, then he hands McConnell an easy out.

 

McConnell: If the government is open on February 8, we will have a vote on the DACA issue that allows amendments from both sides.

 

Schumer played him like a fiddle. The Republicans will add poison pill amendments, and the Democrats will offer wall funding for citizenship status, and the Republicans will have to take it, or the news will be Republicans refuse border wall funding in shut down deal. :lol: 

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Doesn't really matter,

Trump will be gone within the year.

We don't know what Schumer's long game is 

I suspect he is testing "Turtle' to see if he keeps his promise.

If Turtle breaks his promise,, again, election year if coming fast.

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1 minute ago, skews13 said:

McConnell: If the government is open on February 8, we will have a vote on the DACA issue that allows amendments from both sides.

 

Schumer played him like a fiddle. The Republicans will add poison pill amendments, and the Democrats will offer wall funding for citizenship status, and the Republicans will have to take it, or the news will be Republicans refuse border wall funding in shut down deal. :lol: 

 

Even if everything you just said happens (and I highly doubt it will), what makes you think it will be part of the funding legislation?  McConnell can keep them separate and easily justify doing so "We cannot risk letting citizens suffer a government shutdown because of a dispute over a policy matter."  Then it moves to the House...and Ryan sits on it.

 

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13 minutes ago, skews13 said:

McConnell: If the government is open on February 8, we will have a vote on the DACA issue that allows amendments from both sides.

 

Schumer played him like a fiddle. The Republicans will add poison pill amendments, and the Democrats will offer wall funding for citizenship status, and the Republicans will have to take it, or the news will be Republicans refuse border wall funding in shut down deal. :lol: 

Poor ignorant little screws... running around telling this same tale on multiple threads. 

 

Schumer got steamrolled because liberals don't understand how negotiating works in the real world. 

 

 

The Mother Jones analysis hints at a bigger problem for Democrats:

“Democrats caved on September 5th, they caved again on December 8th, they caved on December 22nd, and now they just caved again,” he said, pointing out that Democrats have now repeatedly agreed to short-term funding measures that don’t protect Dreamers. “Their promise is they’re really going to fight hard next time. It’s totally unbelievable. The idea that they are gonna take a pinky-swear promise from Sen. McConnell after he’s broken so many promises before is political malpractice—it’s absurd to believe that. The only answer is that [they] aren’t actually interested in fighting for the Dreamers.”

The end of the shutdown, weeks away from the beginning of primary season and a special congressional election in Pennsylvania, could have ripple effects at the grassroots level. Levin relayed a conversation he’d had over the weekend with the leader of an Indivisible chapter in a hotly contested House district. “I was wondering, ‘What am I actually knocking on doors for if they just kept on caving?’” she told him. “‘But then when they actually stood and fought on the [funding bill], it made me want to fight a lot harder.’”

“What they’ve done is taken away some of that energy,” Levin said.

 

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Schumer is going down again! Dems are back in fight mode, with each other. Schumer is leading the dems down the hole and they are letting him do it. Withdraw the funds. He has already set the number at 26 Billion. Trump is going to get the money. Dems are rudderless. Trump 2020.

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9 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

 

Even if everything you just said happens (and I highly doubt it will), what makes you think it will be part of the funding legislation?  McConnell can keep them separate and easily justify doing so "We cannot risk letting citizens suffer a government shutdown because of a dispute over a policy matter."  Then it moves to the House...and Ryan sits on it.

 

Wrong. McConnell has committed to the vote in public. He will have to hold it, or own the shutdown if he doesn't. The Democrats aren't going to accept a deal that just has Trumps word he'll keep the protections in place, so citizenship for the wall will have to be part of the deal. If House Republicans vote against it, it only reinforces it's a Republican shutdown. 

 

And the clock is steadily running out on the midterm elections. Once the Dems get control of the House, none of this matters, and Trump is a lame duck President the rest of his term if he lasts that long.

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The citizens want a wall. Even the commies at Harvard admit it in the poll 2 days ago. If Trump gets the money from Meheeco good. If he doesn't build the wall and let's get it going. Schumer is looking like the fool he is. Feinstein fell asleep while he was talking yesterday. I watched her head jerk up as it was on the way to her lap. Murray looked like she was ready to pass out. Moderate dem Senators, if there are any, have let the radical lefties take over and they are going to pay in the coming elections. Lots of libbers in the Peoples Comm. of Mass. are disappointed that Markey and Warren voted against the bill. 

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Just now, skews13 said:

Wrong. McConnell has committed to the vote in public. He will have to hold it, or own the shutdown if he doesn't. The Democrats aren't going to accept a deal that just has Trumps word he'll keep the protections in place, so citizenship for the wall will have to be part of the deal. If House Republicans vote against it, it only reinforces it's a Republican shutdown. 

 

And the clock is steadily running out on the midterm elections. Once the Dems get control of the House, none of this matters, and Trump is a lame duck President the rest of his term if he lasts that long.

 

He didn't commit to that item being part of any funding legislation...he agreed to discussions in hopes of reaching a bipartisan solution.  If such a solution isn't in place, he only committed to letting it come up on the floor for debate. In the Senate, debate does not necessarily mean vote. 

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It was great watching the con monkeys screeching and leaping around "Oooh! Oooh!  Ha ha ha!!  My master crushed the democrats!  He got EVERYTHING he wanted and gave them NOTHING! They were forced to obey him, just as I grovel and squirm at his feet!  Ha ha ha!  ......Wait......what?"

 

ROTFL.

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1 hour ago, BatteryPowered said:

Good.  Trump has repeatedly said he would not sign any legislation that contained anything related to DACA or the "dreamers" that did not also contain funding for a wall on the southern border.  Scumer just made it easier for McConnell to make a "bipartisan solution" on immigration impossible.  If there is no "bipartisan solution", he can refuse to let the measure come up for a vote without breaking his promise.

 

Scumer really is an idiot.  First he caves without getting anything, then he hands McConnell an easy out.

 

Schumer's got Turtle McConnell RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS HIM!!!!!

 

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15 minutes ago, DemoMan said:

It was great watching the con monkeys screeching and leaping around "Oooh! Oooh!  Ha ha ha!!  My master crushed the democrats!  He got EVERYTHING he wanted and gave them NOTHING! They were forced to obey him, just as I grovel and squirm at his feet!  Ha ha ha!  ......Wait......what?"

 

ROTFL.

I know right. And how about the fact the Dreamers are still under the protection of the executive order issued by Obama?

 

Why didn't he make keeping it part of the deal?

 

You don't think he got some advice about how that would look in front of the TV cameras, when some poor teenager that only speaks english was being dragged crying by ICE agents to the border do you?

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49 minutes ago, skews13 said:

I'm a lying cunt and Golfboy's bitch.  I can't refute anything he says, so I lie and then delete his posts and threads.

Exactly.   And then you ran like a little liberal whore when I demanded you prove your claim that I violated forum rules.

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2 hours ago, skews13 said:

Wrong. McConnell has committed to the vote in public. He will have to hold it, or own the shutdown if he doesn't. The Democrats aren't going to accept a deal that just has Trumps word he'll keep the protections in place, so citizenship for the wall will have to be part of the deal. If House Republicans vote against it, it only reinforces it's a Republican shutdown. 

 

And the clock is steadily running out on the midterm elections. Once the Dems get control of the House, none of this matters, and Trump is a lame duck President the rest of his term if he lasts that long.

Schumer folded.    NO amount of your spin is going to change that fact. 

Democrats shut down the government, and got NOTHING. 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, dontlooknow said:

We are broke. Till we get the money from mexico we cant go forward. The deficit is going to hit one trillion dollars this year. We just cant afford it. 

Being broke never stopped you from spending money before.  Why do you care now?

 

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26 minutes ago, theLion said:

Why the hell not?

 

The Great Dealmaker rejected the deal, remember?

That's because the "deal" was changed by Schumer and Graham, to include amnesty the "unaccompanied Minors" that Obama brought in, and the parents, siblings and everyone related to the "dreamers".     They also included Citizenship for all these criminals. 

The "deal" sent from 700,000 people, to about 10 million.

 

The Senate idiots thought they could slip that by Trump, and they ended up getting their asses handed to them.

Population covered by DACA protections:

  • Trump request: 694,000 current DACA enrollees
  • Goodlatte bill: 694,000 current DACA enrollees, who would have no path to citizenship
  • Gang of Six: 3.338 million, based on estimates by the Migration Policy Institute of people who would be eligible for the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act. NumbersUSA estimates that parents of so-called dreamers, who would be eligible for DACA-like protections, would bring the total to 10.014 million.

Chain migration:

  • Trump request: Ends family-sponsored immigration.
  • Goodlatte bill: Limits family-based migration to spouses and minor children and establishes renewable non-immigrant visa for parents of U.S. citizens.
  • Gang of Six: Maintains migration and reallocates 26,000 visas reserved for adult children of legal permanent residents to a category of spouses and minor children of permanent residents.

Diversity visa lottery:

  • Trump request: Ends program that awards about 50,000 green cards each year to people chosen randomly from applicants around the world.
  • Goodlatte bill: Ends program but distributes the green cards to skilled employment-based visa categories.
  • Gang of Six: Keeps half of green cards from present system to people from underrepresented countries and half to people currently living in the United States under the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program based on natural or manmade disasters in their home countries.

Border security:

  • Trump request: A long list of measures such as border wall funding, ending visa overstays, hiring 10,000 more Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, and punishing "sanctuary" jurisdictions.
  • Goodlatte bill: Similar provisions, although with different details.
  • Gang of Six: Funding of $1.591 billion for wall planning and construction, limited to existing fencing; $1.123 billion for other non-wall border security measures.

 

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