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This thread is where we need to see how liberal we can be. It is also a place to catalogue events like liberal victories.

 

The most recent liberal victory was Doug Jones winning the Senate seat in ALABAMA!

 

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And Democrats just recently flipped about fifteen seats in the Virginia state House while winning the Governor's race there and in New Jersey!

 

2018 may be a wave for Democrats!

 

We can also post ideas for liberals. I have one idea. Liberals should start a nationwide business that makes cakes for gay and lesbian couples. Then they won't have a problem finding a cake anymore. And a liberal business person would get rich.

 

See that was really LIBERAL!

 

Your turn!

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Well I hate for my thread to get started with that, but let me keep things going with some more LIBERAL ideas.

 

We need Medicaid for everyone! Medicaid for ALL! No premiums. No copays. Funded by a luxury tax and increased income tax on the wealthy and corporations.

 

We also need to reduce the retirement age for Social Security since it is going to go up to 67, we need it to stay 62. And we need to increase the amount disabled people can earn without losing their benefits.

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41 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

Well I hate for my thread to get started with that, but let me keep things going with some more LIBERAL ideas.

 

I don't blame you.  One of the purposes of the Liberal's Only Room is to prevent intrusions like that one.  One way or the other, Jake561 will be prevented from spoiling your thread.  Once this is resolved, his posts will disappear.

 

41 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

We need Medicaid for everyone! Medicaid for ALL! No premiums. No copays. Funded by a luxury tax and increased income tax on the wealthy and corporations.

 

We also need to reduce the retirement age for Social Security since it is going to go up to 67, we need it to stay 62. And we need to increase the amount disabled people can earn without losing their benefits

 

Agreed.  And we need to raise the minimum wage to at least 20 dollars an hour to combat the increasing wealth gap and get people out of poverty. 

 

We don't need to build a wall between the US and Mexico.  But a massive national effort to repair our crumbling infrastructure would be a shot in the arm to the economy ....  Repair of highways and bridges.  Possibly, a high speed rail system to wean us off less efficient private vehicles.  And a shift from burning of fossil fuels to renewable energy sources like solar and wind, wherever possible with current technology.  Rooftop solar has proven incredibly efficient and larger tax credits are needed to encourage its use.

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3 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

I don't blame you.  One of the purposes of the Liberal's Only Room is to prevent intrusions like that one.  One way or the other, Jake561 will be prevented from spoiling your thread.  Once this is resolved, his post and my answer will disappear.

 

 

That is fine. Or if you don't erase them it is also fine.

 

3 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

Agreed.  And we need to raise the minimum wage to at least 20 dollars an hour to combat the increasing wealth gap and get people out of poverty. 

 

We don't need to build a wall between the US and Mexico.  But a massive national effort to repair our crumbling infrastructure would be a shot in the arm to the economy ....  Repair of highways and bridges.  Possibly, a high speed rail system to wean us off less efficient private vehicles.  And a shift from burning of fossil fuels to renewable energy sources like solar and wind, wherever possible with current technology.  Rooftop solar has proven incredibly efficient and larger tax credits are needed to encourage its use.

 

WOW! That is LIBERAL! Good job! And way to kick off the user responses to the most liberal thread EVER!

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Now, about regulation. We need to RESTORE our commitment to regulations, especially the Consumer Protection! And we need to regulate the banks more than ever.

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Just now, WillFranklin said:

Now, about regulation. We need to RESTORE our commitment to regulations, especially the Consumer Protection! And we need to regulate the banks more than ever.

 

Great stuff.  Which brings to mind the need to break up the big corporations.  Especially the big banks and brokerage houses.  Corporate mergers, consolidations and monopolies undercut competition and make it possible for the big companies to collude, fix prices and produce shoddy products without fear of a better mousetrap interfering with their corruption.  

 

We desperately need to end gerrymandering.  Repeal the deliberately misnamed 'Citizens United' and get money out of politics with lobby and election reform.

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2 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

Great stuff.  Which brings to mind the need to break up the big corporations.  Especially the big banks and brokerage houses.  Corporate mergers, consolidations and monopolies undercut competition and make it possible for the big companies to collude, fix prices and produce shoddy products without fear of a better mousetrap interfering with their corruption.  

 

We desperately need to end gerrymandering.  Repeal the deliberately misnamed 'Citizens United' and get money out of politics with lobby and election reform.

 

Yes and a strong Consumer Protection Bureau would also hold them accountable for shoddy products.

 

And if I knew a way to end gerrymandering I would relay it to all of the governors in the Union.

 

Citizens United is deliberately misnamed. It should be called Corporations United. And it should be repealed.

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5 minutes ago, Jake561 said:

Well, bludog, call me incredibly naive, and you'll have to suspend me. For the free exchange of ideas to be censored like you do, call me speechless, too. You are what the current term 'snowflake' really applies.

 

Just go to the No Holds Barred Forum. It has the most traffic by far and people of all persuasions are there. I am there too. You are in the wrong forum room here.

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Jake561 suspended for 5 days.

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Eighteen states raised the minimum wage today.  Any raise is a victory for ordinary people and Liberals.  And a step in the right direction.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/higher-minimum-wage-come-to-18-states/

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A few million people will start work this year with a bit of a raise. The minimum wage in 18 states is ticking up, giving workers increases of between 5 cents and $1 per hour. 

In half of those states, the minimums will be rising automatically, to keep up with inflation. The other half, including Hawaii, California, Arizona, Colorado, Michigan and Rhode Island, increased their minimum wages through ballot measures or legislation. Some 4.5 million workers will be directly affected, according to the Economic Policy Institute.

 

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It isn't necessary to have the most liberal things ever. Ordinary liberal things suffice.

 

What is necessary is to stop the right from making good government impossible by breaking everything that has been built over the years. That includes delegitimizing the FBI and the civil service and regulatory agencies.

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We need to put a carbon tax on all goods so that people with a $20 Minimum Wage will not add more carbon output to the planet.

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3 hours ago, Kacper said:

We need to put a carbon tax on all goods so that people with a $20 Minimum Wage will not add more carbon output to the planet.

 

A  tax on ALL goods would not be a carbon tax.  It would simply be a VAT tax  and do absolutely nothing to discourage the burning of fossil fuels (consumption of carbon).  Sounds like a backhanded slap at a $20 Minimum Wage.

 

What's needed are government policies that reward people and corporations for switching over to renewable energy sources.

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1 hour ago, bludog said:

 

A  tax on ALL goods would not be a carbon tax.  It would simply be a VAT tax  and do absolutely nothing to discourage the burning of fossil fuels (consumption of carbon).  Sounds like a backhanded slap at a $20 Minimum Wage.

 

What's needed are government policies that reward people and corporations for switching over to renewable energy sources.

 

What needs to be explained to people is that a carbon tax isn't simply 'social engineering', which would be a good enough reason, but a way to more accurately price the product to recover its costs to society the government pays because of its effects.

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2 hours ago, Craig234 said:

 

What needs to be explained to people is that a carbon tax isn't simply 'social engineering', which would be a good enough reason, but a way to more accurately price the product to recover its costs to society the government pays because of its effects.

 

Great point.

 

13 hours ago, laripu said:

It isn't necessary to have the most liberal things ever. Ordinary liberal things suffice.

 

I think this thread was a good idea because it encourages members to freely express ALL their Liberal ideas.  Maybe even ones they would ordinarily have kept to themselves.

 

13 hours ago, laripu said:

What is necessary is to stop the right from making good government impossible by breaking everything that has been built over the years. That includes delegitimizing the FBI and the civil service and regulatory agencies.

 

Absolutely.  This has been taken to new extremes by he Trump administration.

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56 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

I think this thread was a good idea because it encourages members to freely express ALL their Liberal ideas.  Maybe even ones they would ordinarily have kept to themselves.

 

 

Abortion on demand! Equal pay!

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18 hours ago, laripu said:

What is necessary is to stop the right from making good government impossible by breaking everything that has been built over the years. That includes delegitimizing the FBI and the civil service and regulatory agencies.

 

5 hours ago, bludog said:

 

Absolutely.  This has been taken to new extremes by he Trump administration.

 

Here is a very short excerpt from an article by CNN editor-at-large Chris Cillizza, on that subject.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/02/politics/donald-trump-doj-tweets/index.html

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The stunning abnormality of Donald Trump's war on Justice (and justice)

(CNN)Here is a tweet from the President of the United States Tuesday morning:

"Crooked Hillary Clinton's top aid, Huma Abedin, has been accused of disregarding basic security protocols. She put Classified Passwords into the hands of foreign agents. Remember sailors pictures on submarine? Jail! Deep State Justice Dept must finally act? Also on Comey & others."
- snip -
Trump has mainstreamed conspiracy theories that, in every past presidency, have only existed in the fever swamps of the right or left.
- snip -
 
 

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9 hours ago, bludog said:

 

A  tax on ALL goods would not be a carbon tax.  It would simply be a VAT tax  and do absolutely nothing to discourage the burning of fossil fuels (consumption of carbon).  Sounds like a backhanded slap at a $20 Minimum Wage.

 

What's needed are government policies that reward people and corporations for switching over to renewable energy sources.

 

Call it what you will but there is no point trying to close the wealth gap if you allow poor and poorly educated people to waste that money on iGadgetry and gold-plated hub caps.  You would simply dilute the purchasing power of the dollar, all the cash would still end up in the hands of Apple and hub cap makers and the poor would be just as left behind.  Unfortunately, even educated middle class people fall into the same trap maxing out their credit and blowing every penny trying to live beyond their means. 

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1 hour ago, Kacper said:

 

Call it what you will but there is no point trying to close the wealth gap if you allow poor and poorly educated people to waste that money on iGadgetry and gold-plated hub caps.  You would simply dilute the purchasing power of the dollar, all the cash would still end up in the hands of Apple and hub cap makers and the poor would be just as left behind.  Unfortunately, even educated middle class people fall into the same trap maxing out their credit and blowing every penny trying to live beyond their means. 

 

Lots of people that are poor and middle class are very frugal with their money. They spend it on a mortgage, or rent, a car, food, and clothes. A stronger Consumer Protection Agency would be a good thing to accompany closing the wealth gap though.

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44 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

Lots of people that are poor and middle class are very frugal with their money. They spend it on a mortgage, or rent, a car, food, and clothes. A stronger Consumer Protection Agency would be a good thing to accompany closing the wealth gap though.

 

Well, it is just facts that poor people spend basically every penny and then some, and that private credit card debt has skyrocketed for the reason he said.

 

The consumer protection agency just fights crime and fraud, it doesn't otherwise help on inequality.

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3 hours ago, Kacper said:

Call it what you will but there is no point trying to close the wealth gap if you allow poor and poorly educated people to waste that money on iGadgetry and gold-plated hub caps.  You would simply dilute the purchasing power of the dollar, all the cash would still end up in the hands of Apple and hub cap makers and the poor would be just as left behind.  Unfortunately, even educated middle class people fall into the same trap maxing out their credit and blowing every penny trying to live beyond their means. 

 

Blaming the victims is the start of a race to the bottom.  Contempt like that;   Accusing poorly educated people of  wasting their money on gadgetry and imaginary gold-plated hub caps, only leads down a road which denies them everything except the basics that make life possible.   Maybe not even that.

 

Closing the wealth gap to levels found in the US in the 1960s and 70s not only puts more money in people's pockets for saving or discretionary spending, but allows the demand side (labor) to keep the supply side (goods and services) healthy and running.  Allowing the wealth gap to continue widening kills the goose that laid the golden egg and except for luxury items, has the overall effect of shutting down industry.  The less money people have, the less they can buy.

 

If there is a measure of truth in what you say, then why not, like Germany,  provide free education, for all capable students up to and through university level ...  An example of a race to the top.

 

1 hour ago, WillFranklin said:

Lots of people that are poor and middle class are very frugal with their money.

 

This is undeniably true.  Only a percentage max out on their credit trying to live beyond their means.

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36 minutes ago, bludog said:

This is undeniably true.  Only a percentage max out on their credit trying to live beyond their means.

 

I think it's more important that many do than that some don't. There's a huge increase in credit card debt.

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2 hours ago, bludog said:

This is undeniably true.  Only a percentage max out on their credit trying to live beyond their means.

 

1 hour ago, Craig234 said:

I think it's more important that many do than that some don't. There's a huge increase in credit card debt.

 

No doubt the national increase in credit card debt will come to a peak, with negative, large scale effects on the economy when enough people can't pay off.  The issuing banks of these credit cards which encouraged people to borrow, in the first place, must be keenly aware of this.  But there is no reason for the top executives at these banks to think they will be not be bailed out again by taxpayer dollars, as they were in 2008.  And the insolvent borrowers will probably be blamed and punished, in some way, instead of the giant, monopoly banks which are, in the end, responsible .

 

IMO, there is a widespread national denial of the very real drop in living standards in this early part of this 21st century.  Encouraged by aggressive card issuer advertising, many max out on their credit cards in an effort to keep the illusion of affluence alive.  As you imply, sooner or later, the bubble is bound to burst, causing another national, financial crisis.

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18 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

 

No doubt the national increase in credit card debt will come to a peak, with negative, large scale effects on the economy when enough people can't pay off.  The issuing banks of these credit cards which encouraged people to borrow, in the first place, must be keenly aware of this.  But there is no reason for the top executives at these banks to think they will be not be bailed out again by taxpayer dollars, as they were in 2008.  And the insolvent borrowers will probably be blamed and punished, in some way, instead of the giant, monopoly banks which are, in the end, responsible .

 

IMO, there is a widespread national denial of the very real drop in living standards in this early part of this 21st century.  Encouraged by aggressive card issuer advertising, many max out on their credit cards in an effort to keep the illusion of affluence alive.  As you imply, sooner or later, the bubble is bound to burst, causing another national, financial crisis.

 

As much as I blame the banks for, I don't really blame them for the debt issue nearly as much as I blame the Republicans for redistributing the country's wealth to the top.

 

And yes, we're getting set up for a hell of a crash - maybe soon after Democrats win, and get blamed for it. Imagine the 2008 crash just after Obama was elected...

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16 minutes ago, Craig234 said:

And yes, we're getting set up for a hell of a crash - maybe soon after Democrats win, and get blamed for it. Imagine the 2008 crash just after Obama was elected...

 

And that crash will be yet another gigantic handover of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.   Most likely, as in 2008, the crash will happen, by Republican design, while the Democratic Party is in control;  even though caused by previous Republican policies.  And the fictitious Republican narrative of of the last 35 years will continue to deceive the American people about the root cause of their economic decline ...  The Republican plutocratic agenda.

 

If the Democratic Party fails to clean up corruption within it's own ranks, it will lack the credibility necessary to prevail over the Party of Plutocracy.

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