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One problem right-wingers have is the lack of ability to see the effects of policies


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It's like fishing - toss a lure, they bite. It's like dragging a string for a kitten - they chase it.

 

Republicans get away with murder misleading their voters, with simple misdirection. All they have to do to sell ANY policy is to say that it'll have some good effect (or the alternative is bad).

 

Trickle down is the most obvious case, but it's only one.

 

For example, all they have to is say the ACA or Medicare is 'socialism', and boom the right-wing voters scream they're against it. They can't actually process the effect of what they're advocating - the millions of people who would lose healthcare and suffer and be killed. Why, they're not for THAT, they're just against socialism! They want everyone to have healthcare, from the healthcare fairy!

 

Same with any issue. If it's Wall Street policy that will redistribute billions from the people to Wall Street - they don't understand or care about that, they only care about 'standing up to big government trying to regulate Wall Street'.

 

Destroy the Consumer protection bureau? "HAHA! trump beat the Democrats YAY HAHAHAHAHA!". Nevermind it has recovered $11 billion for Americans who were cheated and would continue to protect Americans. They don't understand the effect of their cheering the destruction of the agency.

 

On and on. It's why Republicans always get this big applause for calling for destroying agencies. The right-wing voters don't understand what the agencies do, the effects of destroying them - they just cheer destroying government. Nevermind when Rick "destroy the Department of Energy" is appointed its head and has to admit he was wrong. Destroy more!

 

They call for policies that take money from Americans, when they're not killing them - though they try to pretend otherwise by pretending it's taxes that are the thing taking money from Americans that's the only problem. They create a wasteland, and don't understand that's what happens - and then 'blame the victims'.

 

Those stupid people in Flint, it's their fault they have poisoned water.

 

Democracy requires an amount of rationality. Otherwise, it's like giving a loaded gun to a toddler. They shoot it and find it hilarious the noise it makes and don't understand the effect of the bullets.

That rationality is missing from today's right-wing voters. And to paraphrase Lincoln, it seems ALL of them lack rationality some of the time, some seem to lack it ALL of the time.


What can be done? Well, a couple ideas are either to improve public education to better help with with dealing with the bombardment of propaganda of the modern media machine, or to somehow counter the propaganda more directly. First amendment restrictions make the latter hard to do by limiting, leaving it up to the honest media to try to help these right-wingers screaming "FAKE NEWS".

 

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Higher level thinking is for pussies, they've been told and therefore believe.  There is always a simple solution to a complex problem and it never works but they hold dear to it because to do anything else would take them out of their safe spaces - partisan chats, churches, Fox News,  and drop them into the real world they fear and have not been prepared for.  In said world there are questions (many without answers)  and few solution and none of them are anything like simple.  Fear is the engine of their constant and outright denial even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

 

Abortion is murder they can deal with (unless they require one).  But abortion as a nuanced medical and social reality, that they cannot.  Baby killers is as far as they are mentally able to cope with.

 

Scratch a so-called conservative what you find is fear of the unknown and disgust of things they don't understand or don't approve of. Mental children, with VISA cards and votes. 

 

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16 minutes ago, PaintMyHouse said:

Higher level thinking is for pussies, they've been told and therefore believe.  There is always a simple solution to a complex problem and it never works but they hold dear to it because to do anything else would take them out of their safe spaces - partisan chats, churches, Fox News,  and drop them into the real world they fear and have not been prepared for.  In said world there are questions (many without answers)  and few solution and none of them are anything like simple.  Fear is the engine of their constant and outright denial even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

 

Abortion is murder they can deal with (unless they require one).  But abortion as a nuanced medical and social reality, that they cannot.  Baby killers is as far as they are mentally able to cope with.

 

Scratch a so-called conservative what you find is fear of the unknown and disgust of things they don't understand or don't approve of. Mental children, with VISA cards and votes. 

 

Ironic how a higher level of thinking gets one closer to the core of eternally separation if not lost defending hypothetical translations of anything else is possible socially as practiced  ancestrally so far historically inaccurately recorded for intellectual safety.

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2 minutes ago, sole result said:

Ironic how a higher level of thinking gets one closer to the core of eternally separation if not lost defending hypothetical translations of anything else is possible socially as practiced  ancestrally so far historically inaccurately recorded for intellectual safety.

Higher level thinking allows one to speak simple and with clarity.  To be or not to be actually is, higher level thinking.  When you can post such as that you might have a chance of explaining what it is you think you know.

 

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3 hours ago, PaintMyHouse said:

Higher level thinking allows one to speak simple and with clarity.  To be or not to be actually is, higher level thinking.  When you can post such as that you might have a chance of explaining what it is you think you know.

 

ha ha ha ha ha.another context over content disciple that won't accept natural displacement over his educated time relativity standards of ignoring now eternally separates biologically additions to this atmosphere as specific as the combinations of ancestry added into each ancestor representing their individual specific combination so far and never did a single lifetime of the 7 billion occupying the moment here came from outside the moment here physically..

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4 hours ago, Craig234 said:

One problem right-wingers have is the lack of ability to see the effects of policies

 

Like we didn't see this train-wreck of a Communist cluster-phuck coming...?

 

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4 hours ago, Craig234 said:

It's like fishing - toss a lure, they bite. It's like dragging a string for a kitten - they chase it.

 

Republicans get away with murder misleading their voters, with simple misdirection. All they have to do to sell ANY policy is to say that it'll have some good effect (or the alternative is bad).

 

Trickle down is the most obvious case, but it's only one.

 

For example, all they have to is say the ACA or Medicare is 'socialism', and boom the right-wing voters scream they're against it. They can't actually process the effect of what they're advocating - the millions of people who would lose healthcare and suffer and be killed. Why, they're not for THAT, they're just against socialism! They want everyone to have healthcare, from the healthcare fairy!

 

Same with any issue. If it's Wall Street policy that will redistribute billions from the people to Wall Street - they don't understand or care about that, they only care about 'standing up to big government trying to regulate Wall Street'.

 

Destroy the Consumer protection bureau? "HAHA! trump beat the Democrats YAY HAHAHAHAHA!". Nevermind it has recovered $11 billion for Americans who were cheated and would continue to protect Americans. They don't understand the effect of their cheering the destruction of the agency.

 

On and on. It's why Republicans always get this big applause for calling for destroying agencies. The right-wing voters don't understand what the agencies do, the effects of destroying them - they just cheer destroying government. Nevermind when Rick "destroy the Department of Energy" is appointed its head and has to admit he was wrong. Destroy more!

 

They call for policies that take money from Americans, when they're not killing them - though they try to pretend otherwise by pretending it's taxes that are the thing taking money from Americans that's the only problem. They create a wasteland, and don't understand that's what happens - and then 'blame the victims'.

 

Those stupid people in Flint, it's their fault they have poisoned water.

 

Democracy requires an amount of rationality. Otherwise, it's like giving a loaded gun to a toddler. They shoot it and find it hilarious the noise it makes and don't understand the effect of the bullets.

That rationality is missing from today's right-wing voters. And to paraphrase Lincoln, it seems ALL of them lack rationality some of the time, some seem to lack it ALL of the time.


What can be done? Well, a couple ideas are either to improve public education to better help with with dealing with the bombardment of propaganda of the modern media machine, or to somehow counter the propaganda more directly. First amendment restrictions make the latter hard to do by limiting, leaving it up to the honest media to try to help these right-wingers screaming "FAKE NEWS".

 

It's amusing for liberals to claim Republican policies are bad, then spout examples of failed liberal polcies like Obamacare and the CPB.

But I do agree with improving public education, after all, look what it did to you.

We spend the most, or very close to the most money per kid in the world, and we "graduate" children from high school that can't read and write, much less do math or compete for a job. 

And liberals will tell you there is nothing wrong with their public school system...  we just need to spend more money.

 

This is their answer to every problem:  Throw money at it. 

 

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trickle down economics, cut taxes, apply conservative economics and it works every damn time. Nobody has the balls to do what Reagan did, which ,BTW,he created 21 million jobs. That is a fact, you socialists don't come back at me and say that is false, look it up. We need another Reagan or Article 5 of the constitution ,but you socialists don't know what that is as you never read the constitution 

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2 minutes ago, honcho said:

trickle down economics, cut taxes, apply conservative economics and it works every damn time. Nobody has the balls to do what Reagan did, which ,BTW,he created 21 million jobs. That is a fact, you socialists don't come back at me and say that is false, look it up. We need another Reagan or Article 5 of the constitution ,but you socialists don't know what that is as you never read the constitution 

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Very well said!!

 

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"There is always a simple solution to a complex problem and it never works but they hold dear to it because to do anything else would take them out of their safe spaces - partisan chats, churches, Fox News,  and drop them into the real world they fear and have not been prepared for.  In said world there are questions (many without answers)  and few solution and none of them are anything like simple.  Fear is the engine of their constant and outright denial even in the face of overwhelming evidence"

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Damn good thing protests aren't direct results of policies being enforced as new legislated morality regardless the franchise legalizing of ignoring now is eternally separating ancestry currently in plain sight while everyone human is willing to die playing character roles of citizens to reality as they wished were true and real was a dream state of mind.

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Here's what the far-right Libertarian Mises Institute said about Reagan's presidency:

 

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In 1980, Jimmy Carter's last year as president, the federal government spent a whopping 27.9% of "national income" (an obnoxious term for the private wealth produced by the American people). Reagan assaulted the free-spending Carter administration throughout his campaign in 1980. So how did the Reagan administration do? At the end of the first quarter of 1988, federal spending accounted for 28.7% of "national income."

 

Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government. Their combined presidential terms account for an increase of 1.4%—compared with Reagan's 3%—in the government's take of "national income." And in nominal terms, there has been a 60% increase in government spending, thanks mainly to Reagan's requested budgets, which were only marginally smaller than the spending Congress voted.

 

The budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled to $22.7 billion, Social Security spending has risen from $179 billion in 1981 to $269 billion in 1986. The price of farm programs went from $21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase. And this doesn't count the recently signed $4 billion "drought-relief" measure. Medicare spending in 1981 was $43.5 billion; in 1987 it hit $80 billion. Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477 billion in 1987.

 

Foreign aid has also risen, from $10 billion to $22 billion. Every year, Reagan asked for more foreign-aid money than the Congress was willing to spend. He also pushed through Congress an $8.4 billion increase in the U.S. "contribution" to the International Monetary Fund.

 

His budget cuts were actually cuts in projected spending, not absolute cuts in current spending levels. As Reagan put it, "We're not attempting to cut either spending or taxing levels below that which we presently have."

 

The result has been unprecedented government debt. Reagan has tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight.

 

 

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The Ronald Reagan Obsession: Making Of a Myth

 

 

"During his first term as Governor of California, Reagan passed a $1 billion tax increase to resolve a massive state deficit. During his first term as president, Reagan also passed the single largest tax increase since 1968 when adjusted for inflation (yes, far larger than Obamacare). In fact, he raised taxes 11 times through his career."

 

https://mic.com/articles/25187/the-ronald-reagan-obsession-making-of-a-myth#.3ehJrfeae

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Paintmyhouse, the Republicans sure proved how wrong and biased your post was!

 

You quoted the DEMOCRATIC LEADER, can you believe that nonsense?


The Democratic Leader said that Reagan increased the debt 189%, and W increased it 86% - obviously way inflated to make them look bad.

 

You got shown how wrong that was when you quoted factcheck.org instead - the real numbers were Reagan 190% and W 86%.


Take that! Republicans sure were right sneering at your chart from the Democratic leader!

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I'm so sick of hearing about their Invented Myth and 'God'

Ronald Reagan Myth Doesn't Square with Reality

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ronald-reagan-myth-doesnt-square-with-reality/

 

 

Meanwhile, following that initial tax cut, Reagan actually ended up raising taxes - eleven times. That's according to former Republican Sen. Alan Simpson, a longtime Reagan friend who co-chaired President Obama's fiscal commission that last year offered a deficit reduction proposal.

 

"Ronald Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes," historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan's diaries, told NPR. "He knew that it was necessary at times. And so there's a false mythology out there about Reagan as this conservative president who came in and just cut taxes and trimmed federal spending in a dramatic way. It didn't happen that way. It's false."

 

It's important to note that Reagan's tax increases did not wipe out the effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social Security and Medicare. ("Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health care," Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be "utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today."

 

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