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Pray tell but why is this forum restricted to Liberals only? Would we Liberals agree with having a forum retsricted to WASPs only (W hite A nglo S axon P rotestants)? Barring conservatives, socialis, marxists, and communists takes the fun out of debating. 

Liberals only = NO debate ! Keep this old chinese proverb in mind: "Not every conservative (Republican) is a racist but you can bet your last dollar that every racist is a conervative (Republican)"

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2 hours ago, Yukon said:

Pray tell but why is this forum restricted to Liberals only? Would we Liberals agree with having a forum retsricted to WASPs only (W hite A nglo S axon P rotestants)? Barring conservatives, socialis, marxists, and communists takes the fun out of debating. 

Liberals only = NO debate ! Keep this old chinese proverb in mind: "Not every conservative (Republican) is a racist but you can bet your last dollar that every racist is a conervative (Republican)"

 

From what I understand Liberal Forum used to be open to everyone and what happened was a lot of conservatives came and discussions got ugly. The Right Wing became dominant and the quality of discourse declined. So the forum was split into No Holds Barred and Liberals Only Room. I used to post in NHB and I've been on other discussion boards since 2008. The problem is that differences or disagreements with Conservatives and many so called Libertarians end up with name calling and personal attacks. And contrary to popular belief it's not always the fault of so called " close minded  intolerant liberal/leftists from the coast who live in bubbles " I've endured insult and invective from those on the right. Since I don't want to respond in kind I tend to avoid NHB and a lot of open forums. Moreover as a black man when someone dismisses blacks as savages, animals, and [African-American slur]s who just play the victim and get welfare. Well then there's nothing to discuss or debate. AND NO ITS NOT FUN EITHER.

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I want to be able to stick to the subject at hand with having to respond to a deluge of irrelevancies. I want to spend as little time as possible responding to diversionary attacks and spastic eruptions of confused, emotionally agitated psychotics and paid Republican shills. I need to hear myself think without the raucous din of the Right Wing Noise Machine. I don't like participating in all the hostile banter, although some of it can be very amusing to read. I would rather try to say what I really think instead of feeling the need to responding to meaningless, provocative drivel. I don't care how many people read what I write as much as that I feel free to try to write what I mean. (Even so, not an easy task).

 

That's why there's a need for a Libs Only room.  If you consider a squawking, cacophony of bickering ideologies and gratuitous insults fun,  NHB is for you.  But IMO it usually ends up in meaningless discord much more often than in constructive, thoughtful commentary.

 

Lastly:  There is considerable debate in the LO Rm but it's mostly not the type of adversarial head-butting found in NHB.  Liberals tend to be more independent thinkers than Conservatives and are less subject the parroting of standardized ideology, originating from right wing think tanks and disseminated by the Right Wing Noise Machine.  That's why the Democratic Party, particularly, has the reputation of being a "Big Tent".  It was during FDR's first term that Will Rogers joked: "I am a member of no organized political party  -  I am a Democrat."

 

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In the early days of LIBERALFORUM, most of the members were Liberals.  But as is inevitable with political sites that do not restrict membership to any single ideology, Conservatives began to join in increasingly larger numbers;  A lot of them, with the main goal of taunting Liberals.  Many Liberals here protested and the solution was to open up a Liberal's Only Room. 

 

Since then, Conservatives have been offered their own private room but most vehemently turn it down, each and every time.  And they have a good reason, IMO:  They know that they would have very little to say to each other without being able to heckle Liberals.

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First, there IS debate among liberals. There all kinds of different views. What should be done on gun control Should the minimum wage be $10 (Hillary) or $15 (Bernie) or staggered or another amount and why? How should the propaganda machine of the right like 90% of talk radio be countered? On and on.

 

Second, it'snot just about arguing, it's about discussing. Did you know that the system of the party picking nominees changed after JFK fought it by flying to all 50 states before he ran, and running in primaries to get delegates, which isn't how it had been done but is now the standard? That's not arguing, it's discussing.

 

I couldn't find one single right-wing person who would have a civil discussion on the site. I made a thread just to check that. It hurts discussion for them to be spamming ignorance and lies.

 

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