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Today I got a ride home from a guy who appeared to be in his early 20's, of Middle-eastern ancestry. Because of a book I had, it started a conversation on politics.

He was friendly and enthusiastic on the topic.

 

My book was on the JFK assassination, and he said, ya, the illuminati killed him - but he thinks really JFK wasn't killed and lives under another name.

I thought he was ridiculing the topic and said, so, you're not interested in the issue. He said, no, he was being very sincere, he really thinks that.

 

From there, the conversation turned to other things - he went on a bit of a rant about how war is likely in a lot of countries, and I said well, most of those wars are unlikely, but there is a good chance trump will start some war because he needs the boost to his ratings, since his presidency is a disaster. He responded, "ya, according to fake news!"

 

He just rattled off right-wing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory - how presidents (including trump) are just puppets who are controlled and told what to say (imaging the idea that trump's tweets are handed to him by the banking elites). Bankers control and steal all the money, the illuminati, and so on.

 

The point I'm making here, is just how totally gullible and misled this very nice young man is.

How effective the garbled propaganda of the right is on some people.

I pointed him to commondreams.org to learn some better things and he said he'd read it.

 

But it's pretty scary seeing everyday people with such insanity they really accept, so ignorant and manipulated.

A reminder of the challenge we have against right-wing media.

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When I lived in Manhattan I got around mostly by subway, bus and on foot.  But on the scattered occasions when I took a taxi, I was regaled, many times by Limbaugh-like rants, as you just described.  They have you trapped and you're footing the bill, heh heh.  But at least I usually got where I was going.

 

Now that I'm in the Southwest, I occasionally experience the same thing in certain barber shops, which I no longer frequent.

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Ya, that's the funny thing - when I'd correct him and say that those things were propaganda and paranoid and such, he would not disagree - he'd respond in a friendly way and move on as if he agreed. Not the usual right-wing nastiness. He just really had fallen for this stuff and it was broadly crazy.

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thomass:  Your post has been deleted.  Please stay out of the Liberal's Only Room and confine yourself to No Holds Barred and the rest of the site.  This is your last warning.  Got it?

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1 minute ago, bludog said:

thomass:  Your post has been deleted.  Please stay out of the Liberal's Only Room and confine yourself to No Holds Barred and the rest of the site.  This is your last warning.  Got it?

I got it you fucking power hungry bitch.  Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

I'll post where I want you Nazi faggot

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7 hours ago, Craig234 said:

Today I got a ride home from a guy who appeared to be in his early 20's, of Middle-eastern ancestry. Because of a book I had, it started a conversation on politics.

He was friendly and enthusiastic on the topic.

 

My book was on the JFK assassination, and he said, ya, the illuminati killed him - but he thinks really JFK wasn't killed and lives under another name.

I thought he was ridiculing the topic and said, so, you're not interested in the issue. He said, no, he was being very sincere, he really thinks that.

 

From there, the conversation turned to other things - he went on a bit of a rant about how war is likely in a lot of countries, and I said well, most of those wars are unlikely, but there is a good chance trump will start some war because he needs the boost to his ratings, since his presidency is a disaster. He responded, "ya, according to fake news!"

 

He just rattled off right-wing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory - how presidents (including trump) are just puppets who are controlled and told what to say (imaging the idea that trump's tweets are handed to him by the banking elites). Bankers control and steal all the money, the illuminati, and so on.

 

The point I'm making here, is just how totally gullible and misled this very nice young man is.

How effective the garbled propaganda of the right is on some people.

I pointed him to commondreams.org to learn some better things and he said he'd read it.

 

But it's pretty scary seeing everyday people with such insanity they really accept, so ignorant and manipulated.

A reminder of the challenge we have against right-wing media.

I don't get your point here, are you saying middle eastern people are all stupid right wingers?  Because that sounds a little racist to me.

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2 minutes ago, esther said:

I don't get your point here, are you saying middle eastern people are all stupid right wingers?  Because that sounds a little racist to me.

 

Not in any way. I'm simply describing the situation and his ethnicity has zero to do with the issue - he could easily be any race.

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2 minutes ago, esther said:

I don't get your point here, are you saying middle eastern people are all stupid right wingers?  Because that sounds a little racist to me.

 

I think the post makes it very clear that this one individual is a "misled"  "very nice young man".  His origin was mentioned in passing.  Really as an illustration that ANYONE can fall prey to invasive propaganda. 

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Sorry, I am just not used to people specifically pointing out the race of the person they are talking about.  It shouldn't make any difference, and I always take that as subliminal racism.  It's probably not Craigs fault.  A lot of people were raised that way, and this kind of behavior is just ingrained in their phyche.

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Just now, esther said:

Sorry, I am just not used to people specifically pointing out the race of the person they are talking about.  It shouldn't make any difference, and I always take that as subliminal racism.  It's probably not Craigs fault.  A lot of people were raised that way, and this kind of behavior is just ingrained in their phyche.

 

I'm happy for people to be sensitive to that, because so often there IS malevolence - just also allow for the possibility there isn't, so I don't have to tell the story about the "person whose ethnicity, gender and age I will not state".:)

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1 hour ago, esther said:

 

2 hours ago, thomass said:

I got it you fucking power hungry bitch.  Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

I'll post where I want you Nazi faggot

 

What's up with you thomass?  that's a little uncalled for.

 

Maybe a tad:)

 

Do you know thomass?  I think you know him very well, along with a handful of others who just came here.

 

Check out this little gem.

2 hours ago, thomass said:

Wow, you are not only an asshole to people here, but you go around in real life and act like you are more intelligent than the people around you.  It is a wonder you don't get your ass kicked every day for being a pompous douche.

 

thomass is revealing his REAL political identity now.  Pity;  He was trying so hard to maintain his charade at being a Liberal, before these unfortunate slips.

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10 hours ago, Craig234 said:

Today I got a ride home from a guy who appeared to be in his early 20's, of Middle-eastern ancestry.

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rattled off right-wing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory - how presidents (including trump) are just puppets who are controlled and told what to say (imaging the idea that trump's tweets are handed to him by the banking elites). Bankers control and steal all the money, the illuminati, and so on

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I lived in a house I bought, with my Turkish wife for about a year, in Bodrum. I can't comment on other parts of the Mideast or even other places in Turkey, but I can say that factually  baseless but otherwise plausible conspiracy theories regularly shot through the uneducated, peasant, grapevine like power through a high-voltage cable.  My wife always bounced these theories off me to confirm her own skepticism.  Even though smart and highly educated, she still had a lingering impulse to believe.

 

Yes.  Turkey is still populated largely by uneducated, peasants ever since the nobility and the Ottoman Royal Family were exiled by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and the newly formed Turkish Republican Order in the the 1920s.

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10 hours ago, bludog said:

Do you know thomass?  I think you know him very well, along with a handful of others who just came here.

I do not know Thomass personally, no.  However we have recently PM'd to discuss the events unfolding today.

 

I read your post in NHB and I was a little shocked.  Do you really think I'm a russian troll?  Seriously?  

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I don't know you but I know the Russians are actively trolling in the US.

 

Edit to add:  I have dealt with real Russian provocateurs on this forum before.  One, in particular claimed he was an advocate for pedophilia and wrote posts advancing child molestation as a worthy goal to be pursued by anyone.  He tried like the Devil to get into the LO Rm and make it his home, to give us a bad reputation.  Needless to say, I kept him out.

 

In general, these Russian meddlers and provocateurs can be tricky and convincing.  No one should be shocked at their underhanded tactics.  They will try ANYTHING.

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1 hour ago, esther said:

why did someone delete my thread here earlier?

 

I deleted your thread.  A duplicate was deleted in NHB by another mod.

 

We have been over this several times but it, conveniently does not sink in.  One of the rules for Liberal's Only is "no solicitations".  Your thread breaks that rule. 

What that means, is you cannot use the Liberal's Only Room as a bulletin board to rally your group.

 

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22 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

I deleted your thread.  A duplicate was deleted in NHB by another mod.

 

We have been over this several times but it, conveniently does not sink in.  One of the rules for Liberal's Only is "no solicitations".  Your thread breaks that rule. 

What that means, is you cannot use the Liberal's Only Room as a bulletin board to rally your group.

 

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No porn, or links to porn
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No, 'outing' of members or their families; names, addresses, phone numbers, SSNs, etc.
No linking to other political forums
No solicitations

 

Just a personal opinion - I'd like to interpret 'solicitations' in a limited way, as in, you can't post "click this link to buy my diet supplement!"

 

But that solicitations like "join the rally against trump" are part of good liberal activism it's good to allow.

 

I'd ban the recruiting to the antifa events with 'bring your guns' and promotion of violence for the reason of that promotion of violence not being liberal and being wrong, not because any promotion of organizing for a liberal cause is a 'solicitation' to ban.

 

If next weekend were a 'march against the Republican budget' day I'd rather that were allowed; technically recommending a book in the book forum is sort of a solicitation to buy it.

 

It's a tricky line to draw; if you try to draw it to address money, then saying 'I encourage you to donate to Democratic candidates' would be a solicitation. But it's not that tricky.

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17 minutes ago, Craig234 said:

Just a personal opinion - I'd like to interpret 'solicitations' in a limited way, as in, you can't post "click this link to buy my diet supplement!"

 

But that solicitations like "join the rally against trump" are part of good liberal activism it's good to allow.

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If next weekend were a 'march against the Republican budget' day I'd rather that were allowed; technically recommending a book in the book forum is sort of a solicitation to buy it.

 

It's a tricky line to draw; if you try to draw it to address money, then saying 'I encourage you to donate to Democratic candidates' would be a solicitation. But it's not that tricky.

 

Good point.

 

18 minutes ago, Craig234 said:

I'd ban the recruiting to the antifa events with 'bring your guns' and promotion of violence for the reason of that promotion of violence not being liberal and being wrong, not because any promotion of organizing for a liberal cause is a 'solicitation' to ban.

 

Actions speak louder than words.

 

The word Antifa stands for Anti-Fascist.  But their actions are Pro-Fascist.  By using violent Fascist methods and tactics Antifa sets a fascist example. 

 

By their actions, (bring guns) this particular Antifa group has shown itself to be Pro-Fascist.  So they do not belong in the Liberal's Only Room.

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On 11/3/2017 at 11:07 AM, Craig234 said:

Today I got a ride home from a guy who appeared to be in his early 20's, of Middle-eastern ancestry. Because of a book I had, it started a conversation on politics.

He was friendly and enthusiastic on the topic.

 

My book was on the JFK assassination, and he said, ya, the illuminati killed him - but he thinks really JFK wasn't killed and lives under another name.

I thought he was ridiculing the topic and said, so, you're not interested in the issue. He said, no, he was being very sincere, he really thinks that.

 

From there, the conversation turned to other things - he went on a bit of a rant about how war is likely in a lot of countries, and I said well, most of those wars are unlikely, but there is a good chance trump will start some war because he needs the boost to his ratings, since his presidency is a disaster. He responded, "ya, according to fake news!"

 

He just rattled off right-wing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory - how presidents (including trump) are just puppets who are controlled and told what to say (imaging the idea that trump's tweets are handed to him by the banking elites). Bankers control and steal all the money, the illuminati, and so on.

 

The point I'm making here, is just how totally gullible and misled this very nice young man is.

How effective the garbled propaganda of the right is on some people.

I pointed him to commondreams.org to learn some better things and he said he'd read it.

 

But it's pretty scary seeing everyday people with such insanity they really accept, so ignorant and manipulated.

A reminder of the challenge we have against right-wing media.

I think we all encounter similar things these days. I know people who are actually really smart, and not really that gullible, yet they hold onto crazy unfounded notions about how the world operates. When I managed a small lab that performed antibody development for larger biotech's there was this facilities guy from GB who absolutely swore that the Palestinians versus the Israeli conflict was a made up issue. He thought it was all based upon imperialism which was a prime imperative in GB when he was a young boy. He was, in his seventies at the time, 

 And used to fly in the RAF as a young man. Now isn't that funny?

 

Peace!

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