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The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

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I don't understand why the rich need all this money.

 

There's your first assumption.

 

"all this money" really means "all their money".

 

It's theirs ... not mine or yours.

 

The poor, which there will always be, will get their own if they go to school and work for it.

 

What the rich don't need is any of my money, in the form of tax breaks and subsidies.

 

Corporations, that hire thousands, get alot of these and it is a questionable practice.

 

If the gov't wasn't all popularly elected reelection whores, then there might be some restraint.

 

My solution ...


28th Amdt: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Governor thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

 

Then the Senate would be working for the states instead of being a national party battleground selling out to big business for campaign funding.

 

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44 minutes ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

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In my 20's

Social worker

 

 

It's their money

Not yours.

Do you get paid and just give your money away to whoever needs it?  I doubt it.

It's yours and you worked for it.

 

And you have the right to make as much as you want

 

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44 minutes ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

About me:

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In my 20's

Social worker

 

 

 

The problem with robbing Peter to pay Paul is that eventually Peter will take his money and move elsewhere.

 

It is their money...you have no right to ANY of it.  Besides, nobody said anything about NEEDING the money.

 

I have a feeling that your outlook will soon change.  My daughter (also in her 20's...late 20's) is an LMSW and until Tuesday morning was Director of Social Services for a nursing home.  That morning she was promoted to Assistant Facility Administrator...but will basically run the facility for a "remote Administrator" (COO of the parent company is using his license for now).  As soon as she passes the State and National test in a few months and gets her own Administrator license the "Assistant" will drop off.  It only took about a year of dealing with finances (personal and work) before she started becoming more conservative.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

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In my 20's

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Do you understand not everyone is born with equal physical talents?  Do you think intellect is a brain function or reaction to one's brain functioning?  Two completely separate things take place here.  Brain functioning is dc currents expanding and contracting muscles and work all the separate body functions to work as a sole reproduction of a species simultaneously alive now  whereas intellect is an induced reaction in the brain since it is the center of all nerve endings at transmitting and receiving signals as a whole body and 6 senses, sight, hear, smell, taste, touch, self awareness at being simultaneously positioned now as living a sole existence being eternally separated currently.

 

It is hell on earth when your instincts recapture your brain from the social mind you learned to obey since 3 years old as your ancestry did as well. So did mine, but I really got tired of the social damned if you do and damned if you don't psychological class warfare done historically and current events within family, among friends and those that won't accept self evident results because they choose to believe anything else is possible.  That is denial..

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1 hour ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

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In my 20's

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Why don't you give more money? I think you are rich enough. How much money do you think "Rich" people should give? What is rich? Why don't those "poor" people work harder and become rich?

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4 hours ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

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In my 20's

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I will answer in several ways,,

 

Say your in college,  you do your homework and you bust your ass for your  "A" . So then the college says we will start averaging grades so everyone can pass and get a good job. So your "A" becomes a "C"  and your pissed and theres nothing you can do about it....Mean while a black girl partys all nite, goes to democrat rallys and screams racism and never studies and now she gets a  "C" ,,, SHES NOT FLUNKING ANY LONGER !!  WOOHOO !   So you keep up your grades so you can impress companies to hire  you... You graduate and go to get a job and the Interviewer looks at you like your stupid when you try to explain the grade average thing to you...  The company figures your telling the truth but they hire the black girl because she will work for 8 bucks an hour.. 

Do you Still want to share ?

 

back to real life

 

I work hard for my money, I saved and planned to start my business !  Its making a profit,,  I have retirement to plan for i put my kids thru college. I do not care if some faggot black in africa has aids,,, I dont want to pay for it !!!   Shaniqua has 4 kids,, who gives a fuck , they aint mine,, I dont want to help her pay for them..

Its the fruits of my labor i  didnt earn it to give it away.  No one is handing me free money...

 

 Tax the corporations,, they dont need all that money !!!   says the libs !!!

 

listen good

 

 

CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES !!!  CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES !!!

when you tax a corporation like a oil company !!   they raise their prices to accommodate and pay for the tax increase,,, Customers pay this tax for the corporation !!!  So KIzzy's welfare now is not able to purchase the same amount as she used too !! 

 

SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT 

 

ITS NOT FUCKING FREE

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7 minutes ago, jrobin15283 said:

It is amazing how little liberals know about the economy, but the they are quick to do a whole bunch of complaining about their problems.  Just sad.

LMAO!! Tramp isn't a liberal, and he knows absolutely nothing about America.

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6 hours ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

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In my 20's

Social worker

 

 

Actually they do believe in socialism in the form of feeding the rich and Corporate and foreign aid. They are just unAmericans who would rather give to foreigners than Americans.

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7 hours ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

About me:

Female liberal

In my 20's

Social worker

 

 

Because we're smart.   

You have no right to other people's property.

Temporary "Assistence" is fine.   Perpetual payments to people who simply WON'T work is not.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Ilovebernieandhillary said:

The title basically says it all. Why don't republican/conservative believe in socialism and government assistance. Why not take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't understand why the rich need all this money. Comments from both sides would be great. 

 

-Thanks

 

About me:

Female liberal

In my 20's

Social worker

 

 

 

Socialism is similar to a feudal plantation slave situation. The feudal slave works, pays rent and sometimes gets extra for war situations. In socialism and feudalism there tends to be a very large population of poor and dependent with no way out. 

 

Chongo opinion: Marx socialist were begun by a group of wealthy white men for the purpose of peasant re-enslavement. 

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ILoveBernieAndHillary:  You have asked a good question, although I would re-phrase it, since "socialism" is a word used to refer to different and even contradictory things.  Republicans certainly do not believe in complete government ownership and control of all the major means of production, and a Planned Economy, because we have seen the results of such an arrangement in country after country, all over the world, among wildly different cultures:  socialism may be not too bad in pulling a backward agrarian nation up into industrialism, but once you get to the point of having an economy more complex than one which produces just rice  and cloth and nails -- it doesn't work. Or rather, works very poorly.

 

This is why there are only three socialist economies left in the world: North Korea, Cuba and Laos. A visit to any of them would be proof positive that a government-owned economic system is not the road to abundance. (Why they don't work is an interesting question -- look up the "Socialist Calculation Problem" (sometimes called the "Economic Calculation Problem") if you  want to pursue this further.)

 

So Republicans don't believe in that kind of socialism. But .. neither do Democrats. And so also for  95% of the parties and governments in the world that call themselves 'Socialist' or 'Labor'. And so also for the Communist Parties of China and Vietnam. Belief in a government-owned planned economy is today like a belief in astrology.

 

What I think you're asking is: why don't Republicans believe that the well-off should pay a higher proportion of their income in taxes?

 

And the answer is: most of us do believe that they should. That is, we are not in favor of the 'Flat Tax' (most of us): we have no quarrel with the concept of a progressive income tax in the abstract. The disagreements are over how high it should be. Under President Eisenhower (a Republican) the top rate of income tax was more than 90%. As others have pointed out, this really discourages anyone who pays that much from earning more ... and we want rich people to earn more, which they do by investing and creating jobs.  That's why John F Kennedy, a Democrat, when he became President, proposed a radical cut in the top rate of taxation, down to 67%, not because he loved wealthy people particularly,  but because he wanted to stimulate the economy.

 

It's not a moral question ... it's a question of what works.

 

Then we have a second question: what should the government spend tax money on?  Should it provide, say, free education? Free fire protection? (By 'free' I mean 'free at the point of consumption'. Nothing is 'free', but rather is paid for by taxes.) There are people on the Right who would say 'no'. But there are not many of them.  Almost all Republicans would agree then, that the better-off should pay a higher proportion of their income in taxes, and that the government should use this money to provide some services for 'free'. This amounts to a transfer of wealth from rich to poor. I may pay no taxes at all, but my children will go to a school paid for by your taxes.

 

So the disagreements between us -- conservatives like me and liberals like you -- are not really ones of principle . They are ones of practice: how high should taxes be, and what government services should be provided 'free' at the point of consumption.

 

Thus an argument that is more than an exchange of insults and truisms would be over your proposed changes to our current regime: should we increase welfare payments, for example, and should we put conditions on the receipt of welfare?  

 

A book you may like to read, as it's in your professional area, is Robert Cherry's Welfare Transformed.  It's an assessment of the Clinton Welfare Reforms, and a proposal for changes in the welfare system that strengthen, rather than undermine, personal responsibility. Cherry is a liberal, but I think that many of his proposals would be supported by most conservatives.

 

If you have access to a good library, you should see if you can find the back issues of the (now defunct) journal, The Public Interest, where there are many interesting articles on crime, welfare, etc from a conservative point of view. The current best journal for this is City Journal. You might want to have a look at it, because it has articles by conservatives who know much more about the problems of social welfare, crime etc than any of us conservatives posting here.

 

Thank you for raising these questions. 

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10 hours ago, shintao said:

Actually they do believe in socialism in the form of feeding the rich and Corporate and foreign aid. They are just unAmericans who would rather give to foreigners than Americans.

 

Hell yeah

If 1% has as much or more than the 99% combined you can't blame that on 99% being lazy. Just doesn't add up

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republicans do believe in socialism but only when it benefits them or the rich. Reagan unleashed the crooks with his S&L scandal and allowed them to gamble away the life savings of americans. they kept the profits but socialized the losses by having the tax payer pick up the tab.

they also love socialist farm subsidies because fat cat hypocrites like joni Ernst, who votes against food for poor kids, can rake in hundreds of thousands or even millions in free money for doing little if no work. they also like when the federal gumamint takes money from liberals and forks it over to red states so the red states don't have to raise state and local taxes while still fooling themselves that they are rugged individualists dependent on no one.

so it is wrong to say repubs don't like socialism, they just hate it when the poor or middle class benefits

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8 hours ago, Golfboy said:

Because we're smart.   

You have no right to other people's property.

Temporary "Assistence" is fine.   Perpetual payments to people who simply WON'T work is not.

 

 

yet the red states never turn away the money from the liberals they hate so much. all they have to do is "just say no" and the liberals can keep more of their own money while dead beat red states can either raise local and state taxes, do without, or make those lazy bums get second jobs.

you hypocrisy is stunning.

either stop taking or admit you mooches live off liberals and thank a liberal. good lord do you call your old lady nasty names after she sucks you dick? so why do you call liberals names after you take so much from them and give nothing in return?

 

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5 minutes ago, harryramar said:

yet the red states never turn away the money from the liberals they hate so much. all they have to do is "just say no" and the liberals can keep more of their own money while dead beat red states can either raise local and state taxes, do without, or make those lazy bums get second jobs.

you hypocrisy is stunning.

either stop taking or admit you mooches live off liberals and thank a liberal. good lord do you call your old lady nasty names after she sucks you dick? so why do you call liberals names after you take so much from them and give nothing in return?

 

 

Poor thing.

 

Hasn't realized that 55% of Americans PAY NO TAXES.

 

95% of that 55% are LIBERALS.

 

So WHO is paying again????

 

And it's ALSO a proven FACT that 98% of the WELFARE RECIPIENTS ARE ALSO LIBERAL DEMORRHOIDS TOO. THEY don't pay anything in taxes either.

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6 minutes ago, harryramar said:

yet the red states never turn away the money from the liberals they hate so much. all they have to do is "just say no" and the liberals can keep more of their own money while dead beat red states can either raise local and state taxes, do without, or make those lazy bums get second jobs.

you hypocrisy is stunning.

either stop taking or admit you mooches live off liberals and thank a liberal. good lord do you call your old lady nasty names after she sucks you dick? so why do you call liberals names after you take so much from them and give nothing in return?

 

I thought you guys wanted to bring the country together...

But everyday it's ..

red states/blue states...

 

The fact is if you work hard your entire life and are successful why should you share what you have with someone who watched Jerry Springer reruns all day?

 

The wealthy people pays all the taxes and creates all the jobs and incentives...

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MidnightMax said:

 

Poor thing.

 

Hasn't realized that 55% of Americans PAY NO TAXES.

 

95% of that 55% are LIBERALS.

 

So WHO is paying again????

 

And it's ALSO a proven FACT that 98% of the WELFARE RECIPIENTS ARE ALSO LIBERAL DEMORRHOIDS TOO. THEY don't pay anything in taxes either.

prove that provable fact that welfare recipients are not only liberals but they actually vote in higher numbers than other groups. the ball is in your court.

ok so the majority of taxes collected is paid by the rich, how does that change the fact that the gumamint that you despise, takes money from rich liberals and forks it over to lazy ass red staters?

they are the job creators so they should make them work instead of ripping off liberals. or you could get on your knees and thank those you mooch from. or you could shut that vile mouth about how bad liberals are since they support your white trash state.

then again, ignorance is bliss so I assume you are covered in blisters. 

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1 minute ago, Z09 said:

I thought you guys wanted to bring the country together...

But everyday it's ..

red states/blue states...

 

The fact is if you work hard your entire life and are successful why should you share what you have with someone who watched Jerry Springer reruns all day?

 

The wealthy people pays all the taxes and creates all the jobs and incentives...

 

 

then when can those red staters get off the sofa out front and git to work?

why can't they say thanks for the helping hand instead of growling about how much they hate liberals. want to bring us together?

simple...have the red states admit they survive thanks to blue stat liberals and send them a thank you note.

 

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