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The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment

 

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Spartan said:

The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment

 

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

(You are upsetting the Children)

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25 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

You're welcome!

 

(I just hate it when that happens!)

 

It's ok.

 

As both Firearms and the Constitution are apparently far too complicated and confusing for then?

 

...We just give them something simple, that they understand and relate to, to play with.

 

 

Indignation-about-transgender-childs-dol

 

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17 minutes ago, AnotherJim said:

I've slowed down, slower reaction time, so the 03 Springfield. Don't want a Garand Thumb. 

 

"Garand Thumb - is from closing the bolt on an empty magazine, like during inspection or cleaning.

 

Never happens on a loaded rifle.

 

... too much friction from the top round.

 

Lots of times you even need to bump the op-rod to get it to go.

 

All part of bein' a well regulated militia.

 

9>)

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1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

 

"Garand Thumb - is from closing the bolt on an empty magazine, like during inspection or cleaning.

 

Never happens on a loaded rifle.

 

... too much friction from the top round.

 

Lots of times you even need to bump the op-rod to get it to go.

 

All part of bein' a well regulated militia.

 

9>)

 

Actually, I have to laugh at this one.

 

My ex-wife had an uncle who served in both World War II and Korea, and he heard a lot about "Garand Thumb."  He wondered what kind of idiot would do that to themselves, or even HOW they could do it to themselves, believing exactly as you note above.  He'd ALWAYS had to slap his M1's charging handle to chamber the first round after inserting the clip into the magazine.

 

Fast forward to a number of years later, and he's married and settling down, and he goes into the local hardware store and LO!  There is a M-1 Garand just like he'd served with in the military.

 

"Hey!" he thought to himself, "I should buy that!  I know that gun inside and out!"  So, he buys it, takes it home and gives it a thorough cleaning, then goes to load it.  He shoves the loaded clip into the magazine - CLACK! - the bolt closes on his thumb!

 

I actually had a M1 where you had to use the heel of your hand to hold the charging handle back when inserting the clip  The instant you pulled your hand out of the way, the weapon would chamber.  MOST M1s I've handled do exactly as you describe... but there ARE those that will release the bolt the instant the clip locks in the mag.

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15 hours ago, Spartan said:

 

Actually, I have to laugh at this one.

 

My ex-wife had an uncle who served in both World War II and Korea, and he heard a lot about "Garand Thumb."  He wondered what kind of idiot would do that to themselves, or even HOW they could do it to themselves, believing exactly as you note above.  He'd ALWAYS had to slap his M1's charging handle to chamber the first round after inserting the clip into the magazine.

 

Fast forward to a number of years later, and he's married and settling down, and he goes into the local hardware store and LO!  There is a M-1 Garand just like he'd served with in the military.

 

"Hey!" he thought to himself, "I should buy that!  I know that gun inside and out!"  So, he buys it, takes it home and gives it a thorough cleaning, then goes to load it.  He shoves the loaded clip into the magazine - CLACK! - the bolt closes on his thumb!

 

I actually had a M1 where you had to use the heel of your hand to hold the charging handle back when inserting the clip  The instant you pulled your hand out of the way, the weapon would chamber.  MOST M1s I've handled do exactly as you describe... but there ARE those that will release the bolt the instant the clip locks in the mag.

 

As long as your thumb is pushing down on the top round - it ain't goin'ta bite ya.

 

Then, just lift your thumb up and out of the way.

 

 

When you have to press the follower all the way down to the bottom on an empty mag, or hold the follower down part way and bump the charging handle back with the heel of your palm, to release to catch and bolt...?

 

(or, have the bolt caught on the follower instead of the catch)

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... THAT is the bear trap.

 

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16 hours ago, Spartan said:

 

Actually, I have to laugh at this one.

 

My ex-wife had an uncle who served in both World War II and Korea, and he heard a lot about "Garand Thumb."  He wondered what kind of idiot would do that to themselves, or even HOW they could do it to themselves, believing exactly as you note above.  He'd ALWAYS had to slap his M1's charging handle to chamber the first round after inserting the clip into the magazine.

 

Fast forward to a number of years later, and he's married and settling down, and he goes into the local hardware store and LO!  There is a M-1 Garand just like he'd served with in the military.

 

"Hey!" he thought to himself, "I should buy that!  I know that gun inside and out!"  So, he buys it, takes it home and gives it a thorough cleaning, then goes to load it.  He shoves the loaded clip into the magazine - CLACK! - the bolt closes on his thumb!

 

I actually had a M1 where you had to use the heel of your hand to hold the charging handle back when inserting the clip  The instant you pulled your hand out of the way, the weapon would chamber.  MOST M1s I've handled do exactly as you describe... but there ARE those that will release the bolt the instant the clip locks in the mag.

Slow & steady. 03 Springfield with a Kahles competition telescopic sight. The luxury of distance. I am in the process of having the eyepiece fitted with a prescription lens. Yes, ya get older.

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8 minutes ago, AnotherJim said:

At Swiss gun ranges, you can get all the ammo you like; no questions asked. Government supply is different.

 

Learn TRUTH about Swiss guns laws - not rightwinger lies.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912#:~:text=Swiss citizens - for example hunters,on psychiatric or security grounds.

 

So you can't take home ammo from the range? 

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9 minutes ago, Scout said:

 

Learn TRUTH about Swiss guns laws - not rightwinger lies.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912#:~:text=Swiss citizens - for example hunters,on psychiatric or security grounds.

 

So you can't take home ammo from the range? 

You don't have to, you can buy it at sporting goods stores. In order to purchase ammunition, the buyer must fulfill the same legal rules that apply when buying guns[note 4] (art. 15 WG/LArm). Foreigners with citizenship to the following countries are explicitly excluded from the right to buy and own ammunition: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 1]

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Swiss stats:

 

"Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns," he says.

 

"But over the last 20 years, now that the majority of soldiers don't have ammunition at home, we have seen a decrease in gun violence and a dramatic decrease in gun-related suicides. Today we see maybe 200 gun suicides per year and it used to be 400, 20 years ago. "

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1 minute ago, AnotherJim said:

You don't have to, you can buy it at sporting goods stores. In order to purchase ammunition, the buyer must fulfill the same legal rules that apply when buying guns[note 4] (art. 15 WG/LArm). Foreigners with citizenship to the following countries are explicitly excluded from the right to buy and own ammunition: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 1]

Few Swiss keep ammo in their homes.

 

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1 minute ago, Scout said:

Swiss stats:

 

"Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns," he says.

 

"But over the last 20 years, now that the majority of soldiers don't have ammunition at home, we have seen a decrease in gun violence and a dramatic decrease in gun-related suicides. Today we see maybe 200 gun suicides per year and it used to be 400, 20 years ago. "

buyer must be over the age of 18, not under a curator nor identified as being a danger for themselves or others, and don't have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions as long as they haven't been written out.

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"We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street. To shoot someone who just looks at you in a funny way - this is not Swiss culture!"

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