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1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

 

For me - an Optic would be the only appreciable difference.

Well, that is if you are satisfied with an 8-round clip over a 20 - 50 round magazine.   Optics are a real consideration, too.

1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Can quickly and easily reload, and keep up a sustained rate of fire, with either.

Bullcrap.   You can't sustain your rate of fire with 8-round clips like I can from my 308 with a 50-round drum; or even 20 or 28 round magazines.

1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

Both are heavy and shoot .308, be it the Springfield or Winchester variety.

Yep.

1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

Both are rugged, reliable, and field accurate - with the same outstanding aperture sights.

Garand is likely more rugged of the two because of its feed system, forged receivers and fire control systems.

1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

The M1 is half the cost.

Yep.  There is a reason for that.  If it were twice as good as the M1A, it wouldn't be half the cost.

1 hour ago, Blue Devil said:

And I would move to the SAINT Victor for an optic.

Don't throw AR10-BS at me when we are talking Garand v. M1A!  Let me toss my K&M .308 "gymbag ready" bullpup into the mix.

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46 minutes ago, Skans said:

Well, that is if you are satisfied with an 8-round clip over a 20 - 50 round magazine.

 

Seem to be. Still shoots one/ea. round at a time.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Skans said:

Bullcrap.   You can't sustain your rate of fire with 8-round clips like I can from my 308 with a 50-round drum; or even 20 or 28 round magazines.

 

More than 20's a BAR. Stay in the envelope.

 

And how do you move and fight from the ground with that big-ass mag?

 

As for accurate sustained fire? Eight rounds, w/ a < five second re-load in between, is good enough.

 

And no bulky mags to fumble with, break down, or additional weight to carry.

 

Clips - the elegant solution.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Skans said:

Yep.  There is a reason for that.  If it were twice as good as the M1A, it wouldn't be half the cost.

 

Not true.

 

They are half the cost - because the American Taxpayer already bought'em once.

 

They're recycles.

 

The same rifle, built new today, would run you in excess of $2,200.

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4 minutes ago, supraTruth said:

The only "gig [I ever got] for "spamming," was from u & that moron "teacherSCUM," & both of u are full of shit about what spamming is!

 

You're bleeding.

 

Time to change your tampon.

 

Ha!

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2 hours ago, Blue Devil said:

 

And how do you move and fight from the ground with that big-ass mag?

 

As for accurate sustained fire? Eight rounds, w/ a < five second re-load in between, is good enough.

 

And no bulky mags to fumble with, break down, or additional weight to carry.

 

Clips - the elegant solution.

 

Points taken.  However, somehow, I don't see myself doing a lot of "ground" fighting in a SHTF scenario. 

2 hours ago, Blue Devil said:

Not true.

They are half the cost - because the American Taxpayer already bought'em once.

They're recycles.

The same rifle, built new today, would run you in excess of $2,200.

You could say that about the Swiss Schmidt Rubin K31, except well, they just aren't as handy as a large-capacity semi-auto .308.  Supply and demand says Garands, even if made new today would not be priced above M1A's.

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5 hours ago, Skans said:

Points taken.  However, somehow, I don't see myself doing a lot of "ground" fighting in a SHTF scenario. 

 

 

When I think of Eight(8) rounds of M2 AP in a SHTF scenario... I get the willies.

 

 

5 hours ago, Skans said:

You could say that about the Swiss Schmidt Rubin K31, except well, they just aren't as handy as a large-capacity semi-auto .308.  Supply and demand says Garands, even if made new today would not be priced above M1A's.

 

Cost of manufacturing.

 

Forged receiver and all machined parts.

 

The LRB "Classic", w/ the forged M14SA receiver, is $28,000 and change.

 

Nothing against the SAI/M1A, I like'em.

 

They just don't solve any problems for me.

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11 hours ago, Blue Devil said:

The LRB "Classic", w/ the forged M14SA receiver, is $28,000 and change.

You can have a relatively new M1A (semi-auto) with an excellent quality forged receiver and machined parts (USGI Winchester parts) with a match-grade barrel for $2,000 (used price).  If you want to put it into an LRB chassis, that would add about another $900 to the price.   Smith Enterprise is currently making M1A top-quality forged receivers.  You will pay a premium over a cast Springfield, but it ain't anywhere near a $25,000 premium!

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58 minutes ago, Skans said:

You can have a relatively new M1A (semi-auto) with an excellent quality forged receiver and machined parts (USGI Winchester parts) with a match-grade barrel for $2,000 (used price).  If you want to put it into an LRB chassis, that would add about another $900 to the price.   Smith Enterprise is currently making M1A top-quality forged receivers.  You will pay a premium over a cast Springfield, but it ain't anywhere near a $25,000 premium!

 

Typo.

 

$2,800 and change.

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3 hours ago, Skans said:

Ok, that's about on par with Smith Enterprise - makes sense to me. 

 

Like I said, have picked up a walnut stocked Scout Squad a hundred times.

 

Don't know why I don't own one.

 

Also figured that, for a few $hundred, I could re-Bbl an M1 w/ a Criterion 7.62 NATO.

 

Probably part of it.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Like I said, have picked up a walnut stocked Scout Squad a hundred times.

 

Don't know why I don't own one.

Probably because, you (like me) don't like cheap, cast receivers.

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1 hour ago, Skans said:

Probably because, you (like me) don't like cheap, cast receivers.

 

On theory, not.

 

Especially on a high Power cartridge.

 

But I like my 580 Series Mini-14 quite a bit.

 

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Cast receiver and all.

 

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Just now, Blue Devil said:

 

On theory, not.

 

Especially on a high Power cartridge.

 

But I like my 580 Series Mini-14 quite a bit.

 

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Cast receiver and all.

 

Ruger makes exceptional quality investment cast receivers.   Still, I'd like it better if they used forged.

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23 minutes ago, Skans said:

Ruger makes exceptional quality investment cast receivers.   Still, I'd like it better if they used forged.

 

Sure, forged anything is generally better, short of turbine blades.

 

 

Speaking of Ruger - Have I shown you one of my more recent acquisitions?

 

Hawkeye African - chambered in 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.

 

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Pulled and plugged the rear leaf sight, and then installed a tip-off aperture.

 

Talk about a sweet shooting field marksmanship rifle...

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8 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Sure, forged anything is generally better, short of turbine blades.

 

 

Speaking of Ruger - Have I shown you one of my more recent acquisitions?

 

Hawkeye African - chambered in 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.

 

WP-20190501-10-01-58-Pro-50-crop-pallet.

 

Pulled and plugged the rear leaf sight, and then installed a tip-off aperture.

 

Talk about a sweet shooting field marksmanship rifle...

That's a nice looking rifle, BD!  I would have guessed sportorized Mauser, not Ruger. I like the rear sight much better than the leaf-spring sight. That would be a lot more accurate.  No Glass?

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