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I, like thousands of others, am done with the Democratic Party. My old party has gone completely corrupt. For those who choose to ignore the truth I feel sorry for you and can honestly say that I too ignored the truth for too long. Here's just a sampling of the truths that awakened me to leave the party: Hillary obstructing justice by deleting her emails, bleaching her hard drives, and smashing her and her staffs cell phones. Why? Because she obviously had something to hide. The collusion with Hillary and the Democratic Party during the primary's illegally ousting Bernie Sanders. Also, my eyes have been opened to the corruption between the media and the Democrats. It's actually sickening to see the false reporting, non reporting simply to steer the citizens to believe one thing. I'm not saying that I'm going to join the Republican Party because there's plenty of corruption there too. I will remain an independent until the Democratic Party changes it's ways.

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ScottMon   

I was never married to the Democratic party anyway.  There were a lot of liberals in the Democratic party but they are the minority these days.  

 

Its fashionable to be conservative.  

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bludog   

Welcome to the forum michigansteve.

 

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, along with Bernie Sanders.

https://www.thenation.com/article/america-has-a-long-and-storied-socialist-tradition-dsa-is-reviving-it/

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America Has a Long and Storied Socialist Tradition. DSA Is Reviving It.

The organization’s membership has tripled, and new polling suggests that 37 percent of American adults now prefer socialism to capitalism.

 

 

I no longer support most Democratic politicians since such large numbers of them are on corporate payrolls, collecting big campaign contributions and legalized bribes, through lobbying.  They pay back these corporations and the Plutocrats who own them, with custom legislation while ignoring the economic interests of ordinary people and accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very top, away from the rest of us.  But, at the same time, unlike Republicans, most of these Neo-Liberals tend to support progressive social legislation which they are not paid to oppose.

 

It will be extremely hard to reform the Democratic Party, repeal Citizen's United and get money out of politics because any politician supporting reform must reject corporate bribes and raise election funds by small donation.  In the meantime, it will be necessary to vote in the most progressive Democrats and Democratic Socialists like Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, et al.

 

 

 

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wait what? Nothing Michigansteve said is true. You say the Republican's got their problems too? Well first most Republicans refuse to accept the fact that man made climate changes is very real. And the truth is they ain't going to do a darn thing about it. 

 

I am not a Democrat nor Republican, never was. I was always an independent basically because I had always thought both sides had serious flaws. I have real policy issues that mean a lot to me, but not a political party. I've always been a progressive. I can however say that the Republicans are a threat to this country and to the world. They are wrong about most everything and they stop at nothing to retain power.

 

Peace!

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bludog   

Couldn't agree more OldBarn.   You took me by surprise with your new avatar.   I thought it would be an old barn:)

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Ha - I was searching for a decent real picture but then I'm not very photogenic so I scrapped that idea.  And I'm not good with avatar's. I wanted one that was partially bald like me but couldn't find a good one so I settled with the basic face with sunglasses.  

 

I saw Al Gores Inconvenient Sequel last night - very well done. It's eye opening, especially for those who may still be on the fence about climate change. Al Gore has carried the torch well for a long time and he deserves a lot of credit for all he's done! We need to act and act now! I can tell you that I know a lot of people who are doing just that but we all have to keep our eyes open and keep pushing for real change. I mentioned the book Draw Down before, it's a great compendium and it opens up your eyes on the possibilities which will create a lot of jobs and make life better for all people everywhere someday. California is pushing an initiative that will make every house built after 2020 net-zero regarding energy use. The next twenty years will be exiting times if we continue to pull together - and yeah, we have to fix our political system and do it now as we have no more time to waste!

 

Peace!

 

 

 

 

 

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LoreD   

I don't see myself as a Democrat, but as a Progressive.  Any candidate who meets those Progressive ideals, gets my vote. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, LoreD said:

I don't see myself as a Democrat, but as a Progressive.  Any candidate who meets those Progressive ideals, gets my vote. 

 

 

I used to be a Democrat.....up until around 2000 when they became more corporate-focused and far less working-class focused.  I truly hope to see a candidate in 2020 who will focus on working class issues in America.  

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bludog   

johndnorth -  I guess you probably posted in the LO Rm by mistake.  As you can see, your post is no longer visible.

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shintao   
On 8/12/2017 at 1:37 PM, michigansteve said:

I, like thousands of others, am done with the Democratic Party. My old party has gone completely corrupt. For those who choose to ignore the truth I feel sorry for you and can honestly say that I too ignored the truth for too long. Here's just a sampling of the truths that awakened me to leave the party: Hillary obstructing justice by deleting her emails, bleaching her hard drives, and smashing her and her staffs cell phones. Why? Because she obviously had something to hide. The collusion with Hillary and the Democratic Party during the primary's illegally ousting Bernie Sanders. Also, my eyes have been opened to the corruption between the media and the Democrats. It's actually sickening to see the false reporting, non reporting simply to steer the citizens to believe one thing. I'm not saying that I'm going to join the Republican Party because there's plenty of corruption there too. I will remain an independent until the Democratic Party changes it's ways.

You say Hillary deleted her emails which is a deception, spin if you will.

 

"In late 2014, the State Department asked Clinton and other former secretaries of state to hand over any work-related emails they may have. By then, Clinton had already "deleted some [emails] over time as an ordinary user would," FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers at a July congressional hearing.

 

[Powell & Rice had similarly deleted their emails when they left the SD. Bush deleted his after being told by Congressional investigators to preserve them.]

 

And she tasked her legal team to determine which of the roughly 60,000 emails still on her server were work-related. "Clinton told the FBI that she directed her legal team to provide any work-related or arguably work-related emails to State; however she did not participate in the development of the specific process to be used or in discussions of the locations of where her emails might exist," the FBI concluded in its investigative summary of the case.In December 2014, Clinton’s legal team provided about 30,000 emails -- totaling 55,000 pages -- to the State Department. "[Clinton] then was asked by her lawyers at the end, 'Do you want us to keep the personal emails?' And she said, 'I have no use for them anymore.' It's then that they issued the direction that the technical people delete them," Comey told lawmakers.

 

Comey testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice."

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-emails-secretary-state/story?id=42389308

 

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As to destroying phones, this is a routine practice to do when a phone is to be trashed. You surely would not want classified information left hanging around or going into a trash bin for pickers.

 

“Yes they did, Brooke.” Perez responded. “As he mentioned, there were 13 mobile devices and 5 iPads that the FBI said that in some way were used with her private email server, and they did in some cases just destroy them with hammers when they were done using them.” 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/294465-cnn-anchor-stunned-that-clinton-aides-destroyed-phones-with

 

Cooper said “it was not done in any way to destroy or hide information” but to avoid “putting it in the trash where someone could find it.” He stressed that whenever he switched Clinton to a new mobile device, he “felt it was good practice” to destroy the old one after all data had been transferred and backed up.

http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2016/09/former-clinton-it-aide-describes-destruction-old-devices-routine/131501/

 

Judging from your response of untruthful or deceptive or unknowingly making comments, I cannot take you seriously and you are wrong.

 

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Spartan   
17 hours ago, shintao said:

You say Hillary deleted her emails which is a deception, spin if you will.

 

[Powell & Rice had similarly deleted their emails when they left the SD. Bush deleted his after being told by Congressional investigators to preserve them.]

 

Comey testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice."

 

“Yes they did, Brooke.” Perez responded. “As he mentioned, there were 13 mobile devices and 5 iPads that the FBI said that in some way were used with her private email server, and they did in some cases just destroy them with hammers when they were done using them.” 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/294465-cnn-anchor-stunned-that-clinton-aides-destroyed-phones-with

 

Cooper said “it was not done in any way to destroy or hide information” but to avoid “putting it in the trash where someone could find it.” He stressed that whenever he switched Clinton to a new mobile device, he “felt it was good practice” to destroy the old one after all data had been transferred and backed up.

http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2016/09/former-clinton-it-aide-describes-destruction-old-devices-routine/131501/

 

Judging from your response of untruthful or deceptive or unknowingly making comments, I cannot take you seriously and you are wrong.

 

 

No offense, Shintao, but it's not as easy as all that.

 

Let me preface this by stating that I did indeed vote for Hillary.  How could I not, considering who she was up against??  However, I held my nose when I did it.  Hardcore partisans don't want to talk about it, but like it or not, HC demonstrated by her behavior she was not trustworthy.  Her actions brushed right up against the border of outright malfeasance, and in places skipped across it; but by twisting the facts in knots (as any good lawyer tends to do) she was able to create enough reasonable doubt to prevent her actions from being easily prosecuted.  The fact that we have a double standard where the monied elite and politically connected are clearly above the law did nothing to make me more comfortable with the situation.  There was just no way I was going to throw away my vote giving it to a third party; nor would I ever even in the darkest alternate universe ever see my vote going to someone like Herr Drumpf.

 

However, the way the Democratic Party comported itself during the primaries, the actions of Donna Brazile and others... all have me deeply concerned by the direction this party is going.  At this point, with the Republicans in disarray and fighting among themselves, and a megalomaniacal madman in the White House, you would think we would be in the perfect position to solidify our political position for the foreseeable future.  Instead, we have a Democratic Party that is fractured, and people actively leaving the party looking for other options.  We need to acknowledge these realities, and acknowledge that no matter how badly we wanted her to be HRC was not the best we had to offer.  Unless we can face our own faults unflinchingly, and address them honestly, we will be facing an ever darker future.

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