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Nina Turner never fails to remain focused on what's important. It seems to me that we're SO preoccupied with Russia that nothing else is getting done. Perhaps that's a good thing, considering everything this administration tries to do is damaging to the poor, disadvantaged, minorities, etc? I tend to feel that we've now got an independent investigator in Bob Mueller who, by all accounts, is above reproach in experience and competence.

 

Do we need to discuss Russia 24/7 in the media? Do we need to know the long-winded opinion of every ex-Justice Department, ex-FBI official, ex-intelligence officials they can drag onto their shows?

 

Why isn't someone, somewhere in the media talking about the OTHER important issues also? Do we need to put so much into publicizing this, especially now that we have a competent invesitigation getting underway?

 

What do you think of Nina's statements here?

 

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I agree. The biggest issues that are (or will be) affecting the average American right now are:

 

Health Care destruction.

Rapidly accelerating wealth transfer.

 

Given the limited political power of Democrats, talking about things aren't enough. We need action, and should aggressively develop, & push a single payer health care plan. I agree with her statement that both parties are failing on this issue, but one party is actually destroying, and the other is playing out a futile defense of the ACA.

 

This is also true of wealth transfer. It is clear what Republicans want to do with budget / taxes, It remains to be seen how many Democrats will support aspects of this cruel punishment of lower / middle income Americans.

 

 

WRT Russia,

The televised media seems unable to separate journalism from entertainment. They simply read the WaPo, & NYT headlines, then form ridiculous panels of 'contributors' that contribute no additional information. If I listen to Gloria Borger, David Chalian, or Alan Dershowitz spew meaningless babble for more than a few minutes, I get a little nauseous.

 

Having said that, the print journalism has been fantastic. It is the only Investigative group that seems to be making any progress. If it weren't for these journalists, Flynn would still be NSA advisor. The FBI investigation is maybe in good hands, but it needs oversight by the press. Expecting Repugs to perform oversight seems to be wishful thinking.

 

Being a political junkie, I will probably follow every detail of Russia / Trump investigations, I will not get those details from televised media.

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In many ways, the Russia scandal serves the Trump administration well, as an enduring diversion from his disastrous domestic failures. Trump's recent whirlwind tour of the Mideast and Europe was also mostly a diversion but will be quickly forgotten in the news.

 

I am in total agreement with Turner that the Russian matter must be resolved one way or the other. But she is correct that, as an issue, it is far down on the list of importance, for most Americans than Healthcare, Education and decent-paying jobs. And yet the electronic media continue to obsess about Russia rather than more important matters of interest to Americans.

 

There is a credible rumor that MSNBC is set to let Lawrence O'Donnell go at the end of his contract, even though his show is wildly successful, with more viewers than Fox, in the same time-slot. O'Donnell has been too critical of the President and dwells too much domestic matters of actual importance to Americans. Evidently ratings are less important to Comcast than their alarm at the publicizing of economic truths. The same thing happened to Ed Schultz who was also doing well in the rating but dwelt too much on the working stiff and the importance of Labor Unions.

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The Russian thing serves to undermine the legitimacy of Trump*

And obviously it's getting under his skin. That not much gets done because of it is a blessing, considering what that oaf wants to do.

And even if nothing comes of an investigation, Trump will never really shake the asterisk

 

 

* illegitimate

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In many ways, the Russia scandal serves the Trump administration well, as an enduring diversion from his disastrous domestic failures. Trump's recent whirlwind tour of the Mideast and Europe was also mostly a diversion but will be quickly forgotten in the news.

 

I am in total agreement with Turner that the Russian matter must be resolved one way or the other. But she is correct that, as an issue, it is far down on the list of importance, for most Americans than Healthcare, Education and decent-paying jobs. And yet the electronic media continue to obsess about Russia rather than more important matters of interest to Americans.

Agreed. It's very important that we keep track of what's going on with Russia.

 

However with 24/7 news, there's plenty of room to dig into other important issues, too. For example, now is a perfect time to dig into what is in this Republian "healthcare bill." If everyday Americans knew the content and the likely outcome, most would be appalled. Let's make time to make the public aware of what this administration is actually doing.....instead of just televising what ex-officials think about Russia.

 

There is a credible rumor that MSNBC is set to let Lawrence O'Donnell go at the end of his contract, even though his show is wildly successful, with more viewers than Fox, in the same time-slot. O'Donnell has been too critical of the President and dwells too much domestic matters of actual importance to Americans. Evidently ratings are less important to Comcast than their alarm at the publicizing of economic truths. The same thing happened to Ed Schultz who was also doing well in the rating but dwelt too much on the working stiff and the importance of Labor Unions.

Wouldn't you know it! :( I've been enjoying Lawrence O'Donnell's show and watch it most days. I started watching him because his show was right after Rachel Maddow, but now I always tune into him, too.

 

I always enjoyed listening to Ed Schultz, too. He got shafted, imo. :D I'm also a BIG fan of The Young Turks.

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Why would Russia bother partisans of a guy who honeymooned in the Soviet Union and trained at a Stalinist indoctrination camp or a woman who sat next to Flynn and Putin at a celebration of the Russian's propaganda networks success in penetrating the American market?

 

Bill

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I hate Bernie, I hate Bernie, I hate Bernie, I hate Bernie, I hate Bernie.

 

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie......

 

Bill

This thread was started to consider/discuss/debate the perception that the media is spending all their time talking about Russia when they should also be focusing on domestic issues (many of which are being threatened by various pieces of GOP legislation). :rolleyes: I think we're neglecting to talk about healthcare, poverty, jobs, education, the environment, DAPL, etc.

 

Care to join in? :huh:

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The Russian scandal has the potential to cripple the Trump presidency—a presidency seems hell-bent on undermining and reversing progress on all the salient issues listed. So, no, I disagree about diverting attention from the Russia probe.

 

Trump wouldn't be president today if leftists hadn't helped him win. That's the bottom line.

 

Now we have to fight a rear-guard action thanks to people like Nina Sanders. She should STFU!

 

Bill

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media's not talking about other things because other things aren't getting done at all. trump's policy agenda has completely stagnated the last two weeks, even his budget proposal fell flat. no one is interested in anything else because for all intents and purposes it looks like he will soon be out the door. i'm sure that pressure is crippling their ability to legislate the budget and get anything else done at all

there's also the problem of trump and his administration now being a national security risk. i think there's laws about that somewhere, if an admin is a national security risk than they are restricted from certain things. i read somewhere that something like that happened to Clinton during his impeachment timeline (sorry i couldnt be more specific about what i read, it's a fleeting thought right now and i cant put my finger on what it was exactly)

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I don't think we'll really see much progress happen with this administration, nor will we see much other news happen, until Trump finishes his 'administration rebooting' process.

I think after he figures out his legal counsel situation, they finish creating their newly minted 'war room' (for dealing with the Russia controversy), and Trump gets the sound legal advice to stop talking about Russia and digging himself deeper.. we won't really see much of anything else in the media at all. I think once they have the War Room finished being built, we will start seeing different bylines every day. I can't imagine Trump's legal counsel to allow this idiot to kepe talking as much as he does.. once he stops giving everyone a reason to keep focusing on Russia, they won't anymore (or at least, as much). I think once the War Room is finished being built it will also give them the compartmentalization they need to actually start getting SOMETHING done effectively.

Right now this administrations chaotic level of disorganization is exacerbating their problems..bigly

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The Russian scandal has the potential to cripple the Trump presidency—a presidency seems hell-bent on undermining and reversing progress on all the salient issues listed. So, no, I disagree about diverting attention from the Russia probe.

I disagree. The myopic news coverage is alienating average Americans. OF COURSE people want to know what's going on with the Russia investigation. I've always believed that this Russia b/s would be Trump's Waterloo. He's on his way out. The investigation is in capable hands. We should be talking about other issues, too. There are many, many things going on across the country.

 

Trump wouldn't be president today if leftists hadn't helped him win. That's the bottom line.

Not so. I don't know of any leftist who voted for Trump. There were many reasons why Hillary lost. It's history at this point. Are you EVER going to move on?

 

Now we have to fight a rear-guard action thanks to people like Nina Sanders. She should STFU!

 

Bill

That's not going to happen. Oh, and her name is Nina TURNER, chuckles. She's part of the wave of the progressive future. Get used to seeing her around.

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I disagree. The myopic news coverage is alienating average Americans. OF COURSE people want to know what's going on with the Russia investigation. I've always believed that this Russia b/s would be Trump's Waterloo. He's on his way out. The investigation is in capable hands. We should be talking about other issues, too. There are many, many things going on across the country.

 

Not so. I don't know of any leftist who voted for Trump. There were many reasons why Hillary lost. It's history at this point. Are you EVER going to move on?

 

That's not going to happen. Oh, and her name is Nina TURNER, chuckles. She's part of the wave of the progressive future. Get used to seeing her around.

 

Sitting out an election was tantamount voting for Trump. Leftists who acted in this fashion should be ashamed of themselves.

 

I'll move on when those who screwed the country and set back progress acknowledge there mistake. Till then? No moving on.

 

Yeah, Nina Turner. Slip on my past. She had her 15 minutes of infamy and is a political non-entity who will only be remembered for her role in helping elect Trump. She should keep her sorry mouth shut.

 

Bill

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Sitting out an election was tantamount voting for Trump. Leftists who acted in this fashion should be ashamed of themselves.

 

I'll move on when those who screwed the country and set back progress acknowledge there mistake. Till then? No moving on.

 

Yeah, Nina Turner. Slip on my past. She had her 15 minutes of infamy and is a political non-entity who will only be remembered for her role in helping elect Trump. She should keep her sorry mouth shut.

 

And she is a regressive, not a progressive.

 

Bill

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"I'll move on when those who screwed the country and set back progress acknowledge there mistake."

 

Hillary-Clinton1.jpg

 

I'm still waiting for her moment of self reflection..

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SpyCar, will you please stop derailing my thread? Bernie is not the topic. Please stop.

 

Stop the BS RR, I answered your questions, and I think Nina Turner is wrong. It is not the time to let up on Russia.

 

This woman has no moral standing.

 

Bill

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Stop the BS RR, I answered your questions, and I think Nina Turner is wrong. It is not the time to let up on Russia.

 

This woman has no moral standing.

 

Bill

No, she's absolutely correct. Why do the needs of the working class mean so little to you? Talking about Russia 24/7 isn't going to change a damn thing. Bob Mueller will get to the truth and justice will be served. There are many other things going on in the news that need to be discussed, too.

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No, she's absolutely correct. Why do the needs of the working class mean so little to you? Talking about Russia 24/7 isn't going to change a damn thing. Bob Mueller will get to the truth and justice will be served. There are many other things going on in the news that need to be discussed, too.

 

Demagoguing about the needs of the working class, while at the same time throwing them under the bus doesn't impress me.

 

That's fake progress.

 

Bill

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Sitting out an election was tantamount voting for Trump. Leftists who acted in this fashion should be ashamed of themselves.

 

I'll move on when those who screwed the country and set back progress acknowledge there mistake. Till then? No moving on.

 

Yeah, Nina Turner. Slip on my past. She had her 15 minutes of infamy and is a political non-entity who will only be remembered for her role in helping elect Trump. She should keep her sorry mouth shut.

 

Bill

 

Nina Turner is not going away. She is one of the voices that speak to the concerns of ordinary people ... Like how Trump Care is actually a plan to reduce people's benefits with the savings going to huge tax breaks for the wealthy. The Walton Family alone will get millions.

 

And you want one of the few who are telling the truth about what is happening to this economy to "keep her sorry mouth shut"? Why are you so interested in suppressing all information about the Great Wealth Transfer going on in the USA right now?

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Demagoguing about the needs of the working class, while at the same time throwing them under the bus doesn't impress me.

 

That's fake progress.

 

Bill

Except no one's doing that. Try again.

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Nina Turner is not going away. She is one of the voice that speak to the concerns of ordinary people ... Like how Trump Care is actually a plan to reduce people's benefits with the savings going to huge tax breaks for the wealthy. The Walton Family alone will get millions.

 

And you want one of the few who are telling the truth about what is happening to this economy to "keep her sorry mouth shut"? Why are you so interested in suppressing all information about the Great Wealth Transfer going on in the USA right now?

 

And why are you so interested in ascribing false motives to me? Bad show for a moderator.

 

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Except no one's doing that.

 

Of course, they are.

 

Bill

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That's not a personal attack. Bludog asked a question based on his observation.

 

Do you agree that this GOP healthcare bill is nothing but an effort to make the rich richer while hamstringing those who need healthcare assistance the most?

 

Of course, they are.

Only in the deep recesses of your paranoid imagination.

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Perhaps there is some hope...

 

Yesterday, at a Capitol Hill press conference, U.S. Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) announced that his long-time fight – since 2003 – for legislation to expand Medicare to a national single payer system has finally reached a major milestone.
For the first time, the Conyers bill has the support of a majority of House Democrats.

After weeks of intense pressure from the South Florida progressive movement, including Progress For All, Democrats signed on to the bill as co-sponsors. Perhaps not surprisingly, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- who has taken millions of dollars in campaign contributions from the private insurance, healthcare, and pharmaceutical industries -- still refuses to support Medicare For All.

 

It is not enough for Democrats to fight for the status quo. We must build on Medicare, which has been helping seniors for decades, by expanding it all families. That’s why Progress For All and Change.org recently launched our petition for Medicare For All and in less than one week we already have collected 20,000 signatures. Please go to ProgesssForAll.org to sign the petition,

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That's not a personal attack. Bludog asked a question based on his observation.

 

Do you agree that this GOP healthcare bill is nothing but an effort to make the rich richer while hamstringing those who need healthcare assistance the most?

 

Only in the deep recesses of your overactive imagination.

 

Ascribing false motives to another in the form of a question is still a personal attack. Surely, you understand that?

 

The GOP healthcare bill if passed will hurt a lot of people. Maybe you should consider the consequences of your actions in the future?

 

Bill

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